In a shocking incident, horrific visuals are surfacing on the internet in which it can be seen that the Hamas militants are taking a semi-naked dead body of an Israeli woman on an open truck and parading in the city. It is said that the militants after attacking Israel are killing and taking the civilians as hostage. The militants took the dead bodies of the innocent civilians who were killed during the attack in open trucks and paraded them.
It’s stretch to call what is shown in the video “parading”. The video shows the body facedown in the back of a pickup, partially covered with gear and the legs of the militants also riding in the back. The truck drives off quickly once the crowd allows. It seems more they they are just trying to move the body.
Does it just look like a regular funeral car, moving the body of a peaceful person to the graveyard for a kind goodbye with grieving family? Or, if you focus, could you see a group of people laughing oddly? Notice the armed passengers in the pick-up truck, surely feeling on top of the world because of what they’re doing. Look at the man casually grabbing her by her dreadlocks. Spot the man who carelessly spat on her head at the end of the video. Check out her unnatural pose - could you please look at how her arm and leg are bent? Surprisingly, there’s not any military gear on her.
I almost forgot - the person killed so hatefully seems to have been recognized. Check this: https://www.instagram.com/p/CwxZUkQM7Mn/. Notice the same boots, the identical tattoo on her leg, her dreadlocks, the victim’s clothing looks the same as the woman in the link, and they were both near Gaza borders before the event.
To make matters worse, there’s lots of viral videos showing these bad guys boldly kidnapping innocent women.
Put all these pieces together and the picture is really dark. Yet there they are, those “militants” who are “just moving the body” and the people watching, all making a great fun out of her dead body. It really makes you think that IS a parade?
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I’m taking issue with the grasping of straws to build resentment to the Palestinians and their resistance. Certainly, I personally do not agree with all of Hamas’s methods and ideology, but that is irrelevant. They are simply the good guys in this fight and we shouldn’t be clutching our pearls about it.
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The ANC and their militant affiliates did some things that were labeled as terrorism in their struggle against apartheid in South Africa, yet they were objectively the good guys in that fight. I don’t know why some people have a hard time seeing the similarities in the Palestinian struggle.
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In a broad, philosophical, humanitarian context okay, sure, maybe. However, in the specific context of a struggle were one side is trying to ethnically cleanse the other you usually have to be a dim coward to say that both sides are bad.
I’ve become convinced that there are basically no good guys in war, but intentionally targeting civilians does put you a cut above the rest. Average Israelis and average Palestinians are the real victims here.
The Irish occasionally did bad things to English civilians, as did the Allies to the Nazis, the ANC to the boers, and I suppose in the present the Ukrainians to the Russians. Do you both-sides those conflicts as well? When bad things happen on behalf of a rightful liberation struggle it is ultimately the fault of the occupiers. The chickens come home to roost.
If you like I’m sure we can find some videos that actually show bodies being paraded through streets. That’s just not what’s happening in the video from the article. They are trying to move the body as quickly as they can, possibly even to prevent something really atrocious from happening. Like it or not, Hamas are the good guys in this fight, regardless of the actual provenance or treatment of the corpse.
Your literally arguing whether or not a dead body was being “paraded” or not, and saying - meh, they’re fighting a fight I agree with, so it doesn’t matter if atrocities are committed. Fuck. You.
Hey, for all I know maybe Hamas is just bad a parading. Regardless, any and all atrocities in this conflict are ultimately the fault of the Israeli occupiers. I’m sorry if that’s the side with which you identify.
Hey, for all I know maybe Hamas is just bad a parading
Imagine being such a piece of garbage that this is your first thought…
And I don’t care WHO is uLtImAtEly at fault. Atrocities are atrocities. And you’re a piece of shit human being.
Saying the article is inaccurate doesn’t mean you support Hamas. Stop being stupid.
Yeah. That’s all he’s saying…
This is almost as bad as the Palestinian settlement destruction and genocide by Israel. Not quite but almost.
What Israel does is as you described. But can we please not use whataboutism to try and justify barbaric behavior? This is grotesque. Things done to Palestine are grotesque. Let’s just call evil things evil and not try and say “hey cause someone else did an evil this evil is okay.”
I mean I can’t say I support murdering civilians, but Israel had this coming for a long time. It’s not whataboutism, more just the natural consequence of Israeli policy the last 80 years.
I never said what you’re implying. This is not what aboutism in any sense.
Saying “this is almost as bad” establishes a comparison, and in the context establishes justification for this event because of the comparator. So your response to the barbarism here is a tacit justification by comparison, or taken in another view, a counter accusation. Which is definitive whataboutism: responding to an accusation with a counter accusation.
Comparing two acts isn’t whataboutism…lol
If someone slaps you and you stab him back it’s not whataboutism to point out the disproportionate use of force.
I made no attempt to downplay or excuse the actions of Palestine.
This is not a debate. I pointed out a fact and you got upset about it. Fallacies don’t come into play here at all.
Comparing two acts is the textbook definition of whataboutism.
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🤣. Oh look you’re doing exactly what Wikipedia describes (parenthesis mine):
Whataboutism can provide necessary context into whether or not a particular line of critique is relevant or fair (this is what I did), and behavior that may be imperfect by international standards may be appropriate in a given geopolitical neighborhood (which is the circumstance here).[7]
(Here’s where you come in): Accusing an interlocutor of whataboutism can also in itself be manipulative and serve the motive of discrediting, as critical talking points can be used selectively and purposefully even as the starting point of the conversation (cf. agenda setting, framing, framing effect, priming, cherry picking). The deviation from them can then be branded as whataboutism.[citation needed]
You look like a fool.
Whole lotta words just to say I’m right. Thanks for backing me up I guess…?
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Ignoring the ad hominem in your post, I never said Hamas was Palestine. I said that things done to Palestine are grotesque. I said this action by Hamas was grotesque, and replying to the original commenter that it was “almost as bad” as heinous acts done by the recipient of this evil act does not justify this evil act.
And the Holocaust has literally nothing to do with this discussion, as you mention. Better to make your point would be to actually discuss whataboutism as a definition and provide discussion for why making a counter accusational justification doesn’t qualify as whataboutism (note: the definition of whataboutism is literally responding to an accusation with a counter accusation in an attempt to side step the issue, which I believe is exactly what happened here, eg “this evil act (the accusation) is actually not that bad because of the other evil acts of Israel (counter accusation)”).
So my argument still stands to the tenets by definition, I never equated Hamas to Palestine (and in fact made the same point that acts done to them were also horrible), and never defended Israel or Hamas. I just don’t believe that killing civilians, or committing war crimes or attempting terror campaigns, is justifiable (by either side).
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https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/whataboutism
Or the Oxford definition:
what·a·bout·ism /ˌ(h)wədəˈboudizəm/ nounBRITISH the technique or practice of responding to an accusation or difficult question by making a counteraccusation or raising a different issue.
Edit: downvoting the actual definition from two external, highly authoritative sources that support my previous comments is certainly an interesting choice
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So is Israel firing on Palestinian civilians. Both countries are soaked in innocent blood.
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I’ll leave this here. Not because there’s one story that shows up. Because there are so many stories that show up in this one search. https://duckduckgo.com/?q=boy+shot+in+face+israeli+forces&t=ofa&ia=web
Both are bad but can we work on our own issues, can’t even make peace within our own Western nations between conservatives and liberals
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Another day.
