A well-funded group of anti-Trump conservatives has sent its donors a remarkably candid memo that reveals how resilient former President Donald J. Trump has been against millions of dollars of negative ads the group deployed against him in two early-voting states.
The political action committee, called Win It Back, has close ties to the influential fiscally conservative group Club for Growth. It has already spent more than $4 million trying to lower Mr. Trump’s support among Republican voters in Iowa and nearly $2 million more trying to damage him in South Carolina.
But in the memo — dated Thursday and obtained by The New York Times — the head of Win It Back PAC, David McIntosh, acknowledges to donors that after extensive testing of more than 40 anti-Trump television ads, “all attempts to undermine his conservative credentials on specific issues were ineffective.”
The memo will provide little reassurance to the rest of the field of Mr. Trump’s Republican rivals that there is any elusive message out there that can work to deflate his support.
“Even when you show video to Republican primary voters — with complete context — of President Trump saying something otherwise objectionable to primary voters, they find a way to rationalize and dismiss it,” Mr. McIntosh states in the “key learnings” section of the memo.
“Every traditional postproduction ad attacking President Trump either backfired or produced no impact on his ballot support and favorability,” Mr. McIntosh adds. “This includes ads that primarily feature video of him saying liberal or stupid comments from his own mouth.”
For the polling underpinning its analysis, Win It Back used WPA Intelligence — a firm that also works for the super PAC supporting Mr. Trump’s chief rival in the race for the presidential nomination, Gov. Ron DeSantis of Florida.
Examples of “failed” ads cited in the memo included attacks on Mr. Trump’s “handling of the pandemic, promotion of vaccines, praise of Dr. Fauci, insane government spending, failure to build the wall, recent attacks on pro-life legislation, refusal to fight woke issues, openness to gun control, and many others.” (Dr. Anthony S. Fauci led the national response to the Covid pandemic.)
The list of failed attacks is notable because it includes many of the arguments that Mr. DeSantis has tried against Mr. Trump. The former president leads Mr. DeSantis by more than 40 points in national polls and by around 30 points in Iowa, where Mr. DeSantis’s team believes he has the best shot of defeating Mr. Trump. Mr. McIntosh, a former Indiana congressman who co-founded the Club for Growth and the Federalist Society, makes it clear in the memo that any anti-Trump messages need to be delivered with kid gloves. That might explain why Mr. DeSantis’s super PAC, Never Back Down, has treated Mr. Trump gingerly, even in ads meant to contrast his character and his record unfavorably against Mr. DeSantis’s accomplishments.
“Broadly acceptable messages against President Trump with Republican primary voters that do not produce a meaningful backlash include sharing concerns about his ability to beat President Biden, expressions of Trump fatigue due to the distractions he creates and the polarization of the country, as well as his pattern of attacking conservative leaders for self-interested reasons,” Mr. McIntosh writes in the memo.
“It is essential to disarm the viewer at the opening of the ad by establishing that the person being interviewed on camera is a Republican who previously supported President Trump,” he adds, “otherwise, the viewer will automatically put their guard up, assuming the messenger is just another Trump-hater whose opinion should be summarily dismissed.”
The polling conducted for Win It Back showed diminishing returns for the anti-Trump messaging and emphasized that Mr. Trump benefited from the fact that his rivals were still dividing up the non-Trump vote.
In Iowa, Win It Back observed that in the areas where it ran ads, Mr. Trump’s likely share of the Republican vote fell by four percentage points. In the areas where the group did not advertise, Mr. Trump’s support grew by five points.
Mr. DeSantis has made his handling of the pandemic a centerpiece of his campaign. But the analysis suggests that this strategy leads to a dead end.
The memo says this of Win It Back’s most promising pandemic-themed ad: “This ad was our best creative on the pandemic and vaccines that we tested in focus group settings, but it still produced a backlash in our online randomized controlled experiment — improving President Trump’s ballot support by four points and net favorability by 11 points.”
Win It Back did not bother running ads focused on Mr. Trump as an instigator of political violence or as a threat to democracy. The group tested in a focus group and online panel an ad called “Risk,” narrated by former Representative Liz Cheney, that focused on Mr. Trump’s actions on Jan. 6, 2021. But the group found that the Cheney ad helped Mr. Trump with the Republican voters, according to Mr. McIntosh. (Link from article to ad: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Mgjs7Gp874)
In a section of the memo titled “next steps,” Mr. McIntosh concludes, “We plan to continue developing and testing ads to deploy when there are signs of consolidation.”
Who could have predicted it would be hard to change conservatives’ minds? Obviously not the conservatives who pushed for low-IQ fascism to win some low-IQ votes.
To win a LOT of votes, which is the problem.
Unfortunately I also suspect most of the GOP see this as a very good thing, long-term. The Trump thing is only a short term issue, turning the party into a mindless cult otherwise is very very good for preserving the base - it no longer matters what they actually do or say, they will still get the votes.
The issue is that Trump is wildly popular with their base and wildly unpopular outside of it. The indictments made him lose support except with the base. The Republicans are incapable of defying their base. They just give them more and more and more.
And that makes them less and less palatable to the moderates and independents. In the midterms they rejected the conspiracy, Trumpy candidates that the base loved.
It’ll be left to see how the margins shake out, by I’m optimistic this is horrible news for them. It’s one thing to put forward an incumbent who’s old. It’s another to put forward the same candidate who’s heavily disliked and also old.
The issue is these people are tied to Trump, not neccesarily the Republican party.
When Trump dies will the yoga community continue voting Republican? Doubtful.
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I didn’t realizr that the stretchpants demographic leaned heavily Republican
Check out the podcast Conspirituality, and their book from AK press.
The spirituality and wellness community has always been viewed as being of the left merely because counter cultures are always assumed to be leftist, and there certainly are leftists in the space, but these are communities largely built off anti-modernism and orientalism, with an unquestioned trust in unregulated capitalism.
It also doesn’t hurt that Nazis are able to infiltrate these communities incredibly easily, because the Aryan creation myth developed by the Nazis was stolen from Helena Blavotsky, who pretty much developed Indo-European esoteria. Most forms of yoga practiced by white people are also descended from Bikram yoga, which was a Hindu nationalist cult.
The spirituality community is not itself fascist, but its overt apoliticalness is definitely a vector point for far right ideologies to be laundered for upper middle class white women.
Whaaaaaat? Years of saying he was right about everything, acting like he could do no wrong, protecting him from the consequences of his words and actions, and encouraging his narcissism has lasting consequences?
If only they had one or two opportunities to stop him from running for president a second time.
It’s a cult. MAGAts need deprogramming, not negative ads.
And this particular group are not good guys, either.
The constant position-changing of Fox News certainly helped create this. They’ve spent decades flipping back and forth on positions and settings, depending on whether it benefits Rs or D’s. Which means that when a Republican settles in behind a ‘leader’, it doesn’t matter that the leader’s positions or opinions have changed. The base is at a point where they’ve chosen their anchor, and they’ll cling to it against all winds and waves.
I’m kinda glad they couldn’t redirect the religious fervor to DeSantis or anyone else. Trump isn’t in great shape and he’s not getting younger, so there’s a definite shelf life for that blind devotion.
Don’t be.
Trump will eventually die. And even though the MAGA movement still accepts him unconditionally as their deity, the movement itself has grown beyond him. When he dies, they will not abandon MAGA. They will just look for a replacement. And whenever there’s a power struggle like that, it always leads to a bloodbath. The problem is that the person who emerges from the bloodbath as the leader is often even crazier than the one who came before him.
If anything, I’m deathly afraid of Trump dying before the next election. Biden can beat Trump, but given his approval numbers, it would be hard to say he could win just as easily against another popular Republican candidate. And what worries me is that another candidate would be able to turn out the vote in droves, hoping that people would consider a vote for the GOP candidate as a vote for Trump by proxy. It’s also why I’m afraid of him being convicted at trial and/or otherwise removed from the ballot; given recent polling, it’s not unrealistic to think that an attempt to remove Trump by force would just rally the GOP voting base to come out and vote in favor of the GOP nominee as an act of revenge (and again, a vote for Trump by proxy). And if you don’t think this is a possibility, remember that each indictment so far has sent his polling numbers up, not down.
This really shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone. It’s been long since known that the MAGA base has no interest in or concern for reality. This can be traced all the way back to Kellyanne Conway and her infamous “alternative facts”.
- Anything that attacks Trump on policy or ethics issues is immediately dismissed as anti-Trump rhetoric from someone suffering from Trump Derangement Syndrome and is automatically dismissed.
- Any evidence showing corruption or illegal activity is dismissed as either fake news, fabricated evidence, or deepfakes. Any attempts to uncover such evidence are met with fierce (and sometimes violent) resistance.
- Evidence showing corruption or illegal activity that can’t be dismissed out of hand is written off as the ends justifying the means if it means that in the end, they get what they want. And even if the ends don’t justify the means, they are willing to accept a little light corruption and treason if it means they’ll get what they want anyway.
- Any attempts to point out the hypocrisy is usually just met with a smirk that acknowledges that they know it’s hypocritical and they’re perfectly OK with it. See McConnell, Mitch as a prime example.
- They have basically said “All that stuff you keep saying is bad and all that? We know. We don’t care. We like it this way. MAGA!”
Groups like this that attempt to appeal to the MAGA base continually fail to understand this. They keep thinking that if they just show the facts and evidence, the voters will reconsider. Instead, they keep saying “Yeah, we know all that. Why do you think we voted for him?”
They keep thinking that if they just show the facts and evidence, the voters will reconsider.
You can’t rationalize someone out of a position they didn’t rationalize themselves into. Objective truth isn’t what they’re concerned with, and they’ve seen enough doubt (“doubt”) injected into the discussion that they’re not going to try to sort out what is real, they’ll just go with their gut.
This is the ultimate goal or endstate of the Russian Firehose approach, and arguably, most social media
They keep thinking that if they just show the facts and evidence, the voters will reconsider. Instead, they keep saying “Yeah, we know all that. Why do you think we voted for him?”
Their feels don’t care about the facts.
I don’t know why people think members of a cult can be appealed to via logic and reason. If they cared about logic or reason, they wouldn’t be in a cult in the first place.
I have no idea if or how we’ll de-program a giant percentage of the population like this.
I have no idea if or how we’ll de-program a giant percentage of the population like this.
Looking at history, the only way I see that has worked in the past is to fight a war against them and win.
Republicans released the overt logic denying kraken and now they think they can somehow get it to go away with ads appealing to logic? Republicans that don’t want Trump already don’t want him. Republicans that want Trump will want him regardless of what he does or what they are shown. It weren’t so scary I would be getting a bit enjoyment out of watching the GOP realize what they’ve done to the legitimacy of their party.
Sounds like the journalist didn’t understand the memo.
The key messages that I’m seeing flagged up are that they did find a method which basically involves former trump supporters giving their reasons for disavowing him, and that trumps share of the vote dropped 4 points where they ran ads versus a 5 point growth where they did not. That’s a 9 point swing against trump by running ads - that sounds pretty effective.
That they found things that don’t work are also positives as it means they’ve refining their method. We remain early in the primary process nota single vote has been cast yet and there are still 3 months until the the first vote.
The problem is a 9 ppoitn swing against a candidate doesn’t mean much when there isn’t a viable alternative for that to benefit. What they really need is a candidate to coalesce republican opposition behind. At the moment none of the candidates seem up to it.
A 9-point swing is nothing when your next candidate is 40 points behind you.
What they really need is a candidate to coalesce republican opposition behind.
This can’t happen, because they’re all trying to out-Trump Trump in various ways. There is very little actual Republican policy, and what policy exists is broadly unpopular, so their only game plan is to stoke hatred and partisanship and hope their voters either fear or hate Dems enough to vote for the GOP.
Trump won the nomination in 2016 because their primaries are a winner take all system, and you just need a plurality. The sane vote was diluted amongst like 10 Republicans all incredibly ambitious. And because of that, Trump had the plurality.
They could’ve stopped it. But all of them were too proud and selfish to do so. He is the monster they made.
So, they tried every “message” except actually bad things he’s done? Call him a corrupt, incompetent loser who is too fucking stupid to make money running a casino, much less have any real responsibilities. The list of example messages that failed is all the good things he did (usually reluctantly).
If they want to convince Trumpists, how about they test “Trump is a loudmouth bozo who never had the juice to pull off a coup. And now the Proud Boys and Rudy Giuliani and everyone else he knows are doing GoFundMe’s to buy enough soap-on-a-rope to last through their jail sentences.”
The list of example messages that failed is all the good things he did (usually reluctantly).
Yeah but these are things Republican voters hate with a passion. Showing them he was a bad president won’t work, you need to show them he’s “woke”. Only that didn’t work either.
It’s because Trump’s base aren’t rational thinkers weighing the pros and cons of each political candidate, they’re cult members that have fully invested their identity into Donald Fucking Trump, the you’re fired guy.
I hope Trump gets the nomination just so he’ll lose again. There’s so much bullshit rolling his way it’ll all come crashing down anyway. He’ll never win. These other psychos are insane and people might vote for one of them just because they aren’t Trump.
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I remember thinking a similar thing in early 2016
to be fair it was the second time he lost, and he only became elected - despite losing - due to a technicality.
and because he ran against possibly the worst pick of opponent there could have been.
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and he only became elected - despite losing - due to a technicality.
That technicality is literally how every US election has worked since the beginning of the country lmao.
Imagine calling the US election process a technicality
Although literally the case, I think there is an important distinction when losing the popular vote and still winning power, it may be the reality, but I don’t have to like it, nor do I have to not wish it changes.
A lot has happened in Trump world since early 2016.
well at least they’re still wasting their money
Any of us could have told you dummies that trying to reason with Trump supporters is a waste of time. It’s not like the awful shit he’s done or said is a secret. That he’s so repellant to his non supporters is his appeal to his base
You can’t fix stupid.
“Conservative” in the US is not a word that describes a set of policy preferences. Not even a suite of psychological proclivities. A conservative is a person who supports the tribe, without question or reservation. You cannot undermine trump’s conservative credentials, loyalty to trump is how the base defines conservatism. Anyone who tells you not to support trump cannot, in their view, be a conservative.
Doomed to fail from the start.
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It kinda is inherent to conservatism. See the Frank Wilhout quote for reference.
The right was traditionally the royalists prior to their involvement in democracy. It’s all about loyalty, and about preserving a hierarchy and basically nothing else…and it always was.
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Right libertarians are like left tankies, they’re all a mirage and are really authoritarians trying to preserve or enforce a hierarchy based upon loyalty to some idiot at the top.
Anarcho capitalists are the same. They want only enough state to enforce contracts, enforce borders, have corporations, and an army. That’s basically the whole government minus a few social services and is not anarchy by any real definition of the word.
They’re all distinctions without a difference.
Edit: I’ve known people that were basically all of these things except tankies at any given moment depending upon what they thought the argument required and/or their level of drunkenness.
“Anarcho-capitalists” want the whole us government minus social security, Medicare, and some rounding errors.
There’s clear psychological differences between those who label themselves “conservative” and those that don’t. And one of the clear differences is the inherent tribalism among conservatives.
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Are you a one line bot? Please continue to cling to your one sentence armor.
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Loyalty to their authoritarian leader is definitely a pretty deep trait. Trump is more obviously undeserving than most, but we saw the same behavior pretty clearly with W and Reagan.
What about an ad where they start off a little vague and say John Doe committed these felonies and did all this horrible stuff…? John Doe is really Trump.
This is the same voting base that wants nothing to do with the healthcare plan started by that black guy from Kenya, but don’t you dare touch their ACA. Facts and logic do not apply. They will be outraged at everything John Doe did until they realize John Doe is Trump. Then watch how quickly everything is suddenly A-OK.
Ugh, you’re probably right. A few years ago my mom was suggesting we look at the ACA for healthcare. I called it Obamacare during the conversation and she got very quiet.
Maybe Joe Biden.
Those face eating leopards are at it again
This is the best summary I could come up with:
But in the memo — dated Thursday and obtained by The New York Times — the head of Win It Back PAC, David McIntosh, acknowledges to donors that after extensive testing of more than 40 anti-Trump television ads, “all attempts to undermine his conservative credentials on specific issues were ineffective.”
For the polling underpinning its analysis, Win It Back used WPA Intelligence — a firm that also works for the super PAC supporting Mr. Trump’s chief rival in the race for the presidential nomination, Gov.
Examples of “failed” ads cited in the memo included attacks on Mr. Trump’s “handling of the pandemic, promotion of vaccines, praise of Dr. Fauci, insane government spending, failure to build the wall, recent attacks on pro-life legislation, refusal to fight woke issues, openness to gun control, and many others.” (Dr. Anthony S. Fauci led the national response to the Covid pandemic.)
Mr. McIntosh, a former Indiana congressman who co-founded the Club for Growth and the Federalist Society, makes it clear in the memo that any anti-Trump messages need to be delivered with kid gloves.
“Broadly acceptable messages against President Trump with Republican primary voters that do not produce a meaningful backlash include sharing concerns about his ability to beat President Biden, expressions of Trump fatigue due to the distractions he creates and the polarization of the country, as well as his pattern of attacking conservative leaders for self-interested reasons,” Mr. McIntosh writes in the memo.
The polling conducted for Win It Back showed diminishing returns for the anti-Trump messaging and emphasized that Mr. Trump benefited from the fact that his rivals were still dividing up the non-Trump vote.
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