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      Have we really gotten to a point where chocolate milk in schools can be called “absolutely insane”? Chocolate milk strikes a pretty good balance between tasting good and providing nutrition, probably more than most fruit juices

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        Why must it be one or the other? They should both be gone. There is no “balance.” Chocolate milk and fruit juice are not healthy options, especially for children. Full stop. If it must be milk, plain 2% milk is sufficient to get the nutritional benefits.

        And we haven’t even considered if the milk in question has been sweetened with high-fructose corn syrup.

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          not healthy options, especially for children. Full stop

          I think you’re making this far more black and white than it needs to be. Fruit juice and sweetened milk can easily be part of a very healthy diet. Unless you’re a professional athlete, no one is watching their diet close enough for 8-12oz of juice to be an issue.

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            We’re not talking about adults, though, athletic or otherwise. We’re talking about children, and having a healthier diet in childhood gives better health outcomes as adults (e.g. forming good eating habits).

            Having juice or sweetened milk on a regular basis trains your body to crave it and affects your gut health negatively. Additionally, and this is anecdotal, I can’t imagine it’s helping anyone’s behavior in school.

            And as far as “diet watching” goes, take a look at European school lunches; generally far healthier and more well-rounded than what we find in the US, all because they give a fuck what their kids eat. Plus, I can assure you many parents are watching their kids’ diets as much as they can.

            Schools shouldn’t be confounding the health efforts of parents. This is just shilling for the dairy industry disguised as lawmaking, plain and simple.

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              Seems like to make any kind of sense we’d have to accurately define “healthy”. Foods are healthy or unhealthy in context for the most part.

              Is chocolate milk “unhealthy” compared to water? Depends what you’re looking for, it has added sugar but also provides solid macros and decent amounts of vitamins.

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                Sure, and I agree with your premise, but at that point, why not just drink plain milk? The added sugar is superfluous on top of the lactose (plus, we haven’t even covered the extra processing of the chocolate or artificial flavors that are all too common in American prepackaged foods).

                But whatever the case, the politician making this “stand” isn’t doing it because he wants to ensure kids get the macros they need; he’s in the pocket of dairy lobbyists.

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        If they really want to do it right they’d get rid of dairy as much as possible. Dairy is not all that great for anyone.

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    Curious was the data say on the topic. I can see flavored milk being more appealing than unflavored, and encouraging kids to drink it.

    Obviously added sugar isn’t great, but what is the net effect on health, in regards to the community as a whole?

    What are the alternative drink choices? Fruit juice? Water? Just white milk?

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      Kids don’t need milk. After infancy you do not require dairy and during it your best option is human milk.

      Any food without added sugar will be healthier than those with.

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        What’s a good alternate drink to offer kids (other than water)? You don’t NEED milk of course, but the goal is to provide nutrition and something they will actually eat/drink.

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        If our schools were not captured by business interests, they ought to be doing things to actively discourage kids from drinking milk. Unfortunately, we still have so many adults that think milk is a health drink. But that’s the idea of the captives held in schools.

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          Why would milk be actively discouraged? Maybe for ethical reasons, but health wise what do you think is wrong with drinking milk?

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            A lot. Take a close look for yourself. No way we should be pushing that on kids - so they get a lifetime of chronic diseases that are brought about/made worse by things like milk. Unfortunately, there is a lot of active disinfo being carried out against adults and children in this country when it comes to nutrition. Drink milk for “health” and make sure to get as much “protein” (via unhealthy animal flesh) as possible, it will be good for you…

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          No, they would not discourage that as some kids need the calcium from milk because they do not eat green veggies enough.

          Milk can be a healthy drink but it should not be your primary drink.

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            Milk and dairy in general are far too unhealthy for me to consider them something we should be pushing kids to drink. There are much better sources for things like calcium.

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              Source on better sources for calcium than dairy? Remember bioavailability of the calcium is going to be a more important factor than the amount of calcium present.

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      Curious was the data say on the topic.

      ?

      Ninja edit: oh - “[I’m] curious what the data says on the topic.”. Right?