Summary
Donald Trump declared on Truth Social that he was voiding Joe Biden’s pardons for Jan. 6 committee members, calling them “VOID, VACANT, AND OF NO FURTHER FORCE OR EFFECT.”
He claimed Biden’s use of an autopen made the pardons invalid, citing unproven claims from The Heritage Foundation. Legal experts note that a president cannot revoke a predecessor’s pardons.
Biden issued them to shield officials from politically motivated investigations.
Trump, who has repeatedly threatened prosecutions, accused the committee members of wrongdoing and suggested they be investigated.
So we are to believe that each J6 felon Trump pardoned was signed by hand in something other than Sharpie?
Also why bother with the investigations, they investigated Biden for 4 years and despite the “overwhelming evidence of high crimes and misdemeanors” they couldn’t even name one, let alone provide evidence. This is just Trump trying to get his base focused on something other than how he is screwing them despite their support.
Don’t even engage with the “wrong kind of pen” argument. It’s a prime example of fascists wasting your time debating words spoken in bad faith to distract you while they round people up in the streets.
Obligatory Sartre quote:
Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.
focused on something other
Perhaps how constituents got absolutely hammered by extreme weather, tornados, etc, over the weekend as he simultaneously dismantles weather science funding and aid, while also denying that climate change is an issue. Or possibly deporting legal immigrants, against specific instructions not to, in some real transparent dictator type behavior.
Honestly, at this point, people can deny it all they want but climate change isn’t something that “might happen” it’s already happening and will continue to happen because we’re doing our damnedest to make sure it does. I’m in socal and the climate here is already markedly different from what it was ten years ago.
The honest problem is that the hyper-wealthy just don’t go outside or do anything meaningful. They are in climate controlled buildings and vehicles 24/7. They don’t cook. They don’t feel price fluctuations in goods. Their home(s) are numerous and in the best areas, but even that is moot, as they are rarely at home. They travel and work constantly, and are never subjected to anything but the finest accomodations. Their world is very controlled, and orderly, and pleasant. They literally live in a different reality. They don’t get it. And yet, they control the environment us regular people live in/are subjected to. Our struggles are trivia to them. Mere inconveniences. We’re just obstacles in their way. Our displeasure is just a “notification” to clear. Whatever they can do to shut us up, or get us off their case, they do that. Right and wrong be damned. The future be damned. By the time it effects them directly and they are forced to deal with consequences, our corpses will be components of massive burning heaps.
That’s it Diaper Don, leave yourself no way out by questioning the legality of pardons. True genius at work here.
The only way this goes wrong for him is if he leaves office. He has no intention of allowing that to happen.
So if auto pens mean that the document isn’t valid, does that mean the same thing for DocuSign, or other e signatures?
Does this mean that billions of contracts and documents signed this way are null and void?
Can I get all my taxes back then, because I’ve been esigning taxes since 2006.
How is DocuSign supposed to be a signature anyway? It’s not your handwriting, and there’s no cryptographic proof either.
Check out e-signatures like we do them in Estonia. The document has a cryptographic signature belonging to the person who signed it, with a date. Change the file in the container and the signature is no longer valid. It makes physical signatures pretty much obsolete because it’s easy to use and WAY easier to prove that the signature is not fake.
There are issues of course - someone who knows your PIN2 could steal your device and sign something before you can get the certificate revoked. You do need to keep your PINs secure.
Ok SovCit
“The necessary Pardoning Documents were not explained to, or approved by, Biden,” Trump added. “He knew nothing about them…"
Funny enough we could just ask Biden about this, and even given an outright ‘yeah, knew, read, and would do it again’ Trump would spin up some other excuse to say it was fake, or a clone, or whatever other madness comes to mind.
But in the Conservative Cinematic Universe, Biden is a doddering old fool who is unaware of his surroundings. This is God’s Own Truth, and nobody will convince them otherwise.
If you ask Biden about this, on camera, and he responds, they will conclude it must be an AI fake, or possibly a Robot Biden. Then they will freeze-frame on some instance where he is looking in the distance and insist he was sundowning.
Considering how lazy he is I don’t know if he wants to set a precedent for all government documents signed with an auto-pin being invalid. Not that precedent has ever mattered for republicans
He is lazy, but he LOVES signing things. He even has special sharpies made so he can sign things better than anyone else.
you think that but look up his signature it’s obviously done by a machine like most fuckin people these days
Are they crayons?
No, of course not. Can’t have him getting distracted from advancing his handlers’ agendas by handing him a snack, now can we?
No, because he would eat the crayons.
Someone blow that orange muppets brains out. Fuck sakes America.
Vance might be even worse
What works once might work twice…
Everyone things he’s a hero and would time travel to kill hitler. It seems like they only say that because they know time travel isn’t real
Everybody go on social media and proclaim Trump isn’t president. Musk’s kid said so
Spoken out loud in the oval office. Sounds official to me!
I declare bankruptcy!
Hilarious to bemoan autopen when this senile imbecile is signing everything looking like Hammmmmmmy Sammmmmiieeess.
There’s nothing that says Presidential Pardons need to be in writing. Biden just had to direct the right people to offer a pardon to an individual which can then be accepted or declined. That can be verbal, electronically communicated, or in writing, but a signature from the President is just a formality and definitely not required, so the autopen/esign argument is a totally dead argument.
Just more criminal conduct from the felon in chief.
