Giuliani went from RICO charge prosecutor to a defendant in Fulton County DA Fani Willis’ RICO case over Trump’s alleged 2020 election interference.

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    If Giuliani had retired from public life in the years after 9/11 he would have had a positive entry in the history of the USA.

    Now?

    Well…

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      The praise he received after 9/11 was how I first heard his name. Shining example of “You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain.”

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        My sister lived in New York for a decade before 9/11. You do not want to know what the New Yorkers thought of Guiliani.

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          Yep. The guy has always been a total tool all his life. 9/11 gave him a positive reaction for people outside NYC.

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          Yes, please. We do want to know.

          (I read somewhere, long ago, that some suspect he went after the Italian mob in NY merely to clear room for the Russian mob… with attendant kickbacks to him for doing so… any juice to that?)

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            Long story short, he was always a slimy asshole, but here are some key points from wikipedia and just in regards to his mayoral position:

            • Hated the homeless and tried to have them “removed”(used cops to arrest them and shove them in overcrowded shetlers. A church ended up suing the city for their right to help homeless people)

            • “cracked down on crime”, by basically aggressively arresting people for minor crimes like jumping the turnstile.

            • Tried to stop multiple community service proogram for the mentally ill, elderly, day-care, etc.

            • Big fan of “eminent domain” to take buildings and give them to his sponsors.

            • Racist with multiple racist pollcies, many staffers and leaders left because of him.

            • He threaten funding for the Brooklyn Musem if they didn’t remove several pieces, specifically including one called “The Holy Virgin Mary” which was of a black person. Calling it a governement-supported attack on christianity and they had to sue the city.

            • Campaigned on fixing public schools, but cut $2bill of their budget and $4.7bill from the repairs budget

            • Two days after Columbine he said he wanted to “blow up” the Board of Education.

            • Wanted to imprison the teachers union president if they went into strike(their contract was up and the city hadn’t started any renegotiation)

            • Allegedly cheated on his wife with his spokeswoman

            • Tried to threaten Time Warner to have Fox on their cable network, and defended Murdoch when all the surveillance and bribery scandals came about

            • His administration lost 22 out of 26 civil liberty lawsuits against them, mostly for trying to stifle first amandment rights.

            • He wanted a deal with Virginia in which they had to take NYCs trash, in exchange for them being able to visit NYCs culture sites. He also tried to send it to New Jersey, and announced that wihtout actually talking to them first, at all. This all happened because he closed a landfill 20-30 years too early , because he didn’t like how it looked, so it had to be shipped out of town. Costing millions, causing even more pollution, etc.

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mayoralty_of_Rudy_Giuliani#Criticisms_and_controversies

            And much, much more.

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              Don’t forget ‘Rudy To the Rescue,’ when he libelled an EMS crew and their Lieutenant because they wanted to take a kid who’d been hit by a car to the nearest hospital.

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            Long story short, he was always a slimy asshole, but here are some key points from wikipedia and just in regards to his mayoral position:

            • Hated the homeless and tried to have them “removed”(used cops to arrest them and shove them in overcrowded shetlers. A church ended up suing the city for their right to help homeless people)

            • “cracked down on crime”, by basically aggressively arresting people for minor crimes like jumping the turnstile.

            • Tried to stop multiple community service proogram for the mentally ill, elderly, day-care, etc.

            • Big fan of “eminent domain” to take buildings and give them to his sponsors.

            • Racist with multiple racist pollcies, many staffers and leaders left because of him.

            • He threaten funding for the Brooklyn Musem if they didn’t remove several pieces, specifically including one called “The Holy Virgin Mary” which was of a black person. Calling it a governement-supported attack on christianity and they had to sue the city.

            • Campaigned on fixing public schools, but cut $2bill of their budget and $4.7bill from the repairs budget

            • Two days after Columbine he said he wanted to “blow up” the Board of Education.

            • Wanted to imprison the teachers union president if they went into strike(their contract was up and the city hadn’t started any renegotiation)

            • Allegedly cheated on his wife with his spokeswoman

            • Tried to threaten Time Warner to have Fox on their cable network, and defended Murdoch when all the surveillance and bribery scandals came about

            • His administration lost 22 out of 26 civil liberty lawsuits against them, mostly for trying to stifle first amandment rights.

            • He wanted a deal with Virginia in which they had to take NYCs trash, in exchange for them being able to visit NYCs culture sites. He also tried to send it to New Jersey, and announced that wihtout actually talking to them first, at all. This all happened because he closed a landfill 20-30 years too early , because he didn’t like how it looked, so it had to be shipped out of town. Costing millions, causing even more pollution, etc.

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mayoralty_of_Rudy_Giuliani#Criticisms_and_controversies

            And much, much more.

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            He won his first because a newspaper man named Jimmy Breslin discovered a huge scandal involving a Democrat politician, Donald Manes. Breslin did the hard work and Rudy got to play Mr. DA

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            As a Californian dealing with Feinstein, I am so sick of the “well you voted for them!” bs. We all know how fucked American elections are. We all know that we are not given any true choice of who gets in office. Why would state elections be any better? Even living in a state that’s technically a direct democracy, it still comes down to whoever has the most money. Local elections tend to have more candidates, but less information available on them, and while anyone can propose a ballot initiative here, it again comes down to having enough money to do that.

            The whole thing is a shit show that comes down to choosing democrats or fascists. And while democrats may not be the best choice, the “both sides” thing is also bs because there’s an obvious right choice there.

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                As another Californian I can give you my solution, but the Irish has copyright. My second solution is copyrighted by the French. And my third one is copyrighted by the Czechs.

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                Not who you responded to but states can use ranked choice voting instead of stupid first past the post, you just need to pass the laws. Some states already do.

                People need to think outside the current system, its absolutely rigged to create exactly this predicament we’re in: no real political competition making it easy for the rich to buy the 2 remaining parties and essentially give you a bad and worse choice.

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                Well part of it might come naturally. Ballotpedia and other sites will expand and it will be possible to learn more about local candidates.

                I was toying with an idea for my area. There is a noticeable difference between my rich white district and the poor POC district nextdoor in terms of how easy it is to vote. What if this shame could be harvested? Document the differences, make it easy to report so it can be crowdsourced. And hammer leadership about it. Every single open session, every campaign speech just play the footage of the longer voter lines. Release it under open license so creative types can add music whatnot.

                I am not sure if the idea has any value.

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        New Yorker here.

        It was out of town newspapers/media that pushed Rudy. Locals knew that he’d fumbled the terrorism ball dozens of times. Police and Fire Department were using incompatible radios and weren’t able to coordinate efforts; his anti-terror HQ was destroyed on the day because he didn’t listen to the experts who told him to put it in Brooklyn.

        No one in NYC was priaisning him on 9/12.

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      what’s hilarious is he wasn’t really all that good of a mayor. he constantly got in the way of the 9/11 response, constantly fucked people over as a prosecuter, etc. The only noteworthy “good” thing he did was be mayor of a a city, when that city became the site of the worst terrorist attack in US history.

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      Donnie has wet dreams about a televised trial. It’s just another stage to him. He’ll mug the judiciary and the left will draw back in horror and the right will cheer him.

      And the legal system will be left even weaker than it was before.

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          Problem is that Trump has support from 40 percent of the US population. Alex Jones did not.

          Trump can literally do everything wrong and it doesn’t matter to his voters at this point. They will vote for him regardless.

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            When he said before the first election that he could murder someone right in the middle of Times Square and get away with it, I thought, “how could anyone vote for such a blow hard asshole?” Now I know he wasn’t bragging, just telling the fucking truth. It’s absolutely insane that he constantly has major scandals and still has the support of so many people. And I don’t get why. He’s extremely unattractive, isn’t particularly well spoken, isn’t a good Christian (not that I care about that, but his voters say they do), never really accomplished anything without failing immediately after, and openly insulted members of the military after lying to skip out on military service (also something his voters say they care about).

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              These Christians would vote for Literal biblically accurate Satan if he promised to kill off all the liberals.

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              “I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody, and I wouldn’t lose any voters, OK?” Trump remarked at a campaign stop at Dordt College in Sioux Center, Iowa. “It’s, like, incredible.”

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              , isn’t a good Christian

              Neurology has shown that your opinions are the same as your God’s. It doesn’t matter what some book says, it matters what you feel. Which is why almost no one reads the books of their own faith.

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    you know what’s really funny? of the 40 counts on the indictment, Trump is charged with 14. Rudy? 15.

    lmao

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    You can’t piss on the American People and tell them it’s rain forever

    Common sense will eventually prevail, and the truth is golden.

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      Please please pretty please let that be true.

      Since, you know, american people are getting shafted for many decades and still nothing.

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    Didn’t he also pioneer the “perp walk”? Can we pleeeeease see him and The Cheeto led down the courthouse steps in handcuffs? Pretty please?

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    So a question from a non-American …. How likely is any of this to lead to actual conviction/incarceration?

    What’s the feeling in the country? Is this all just likely to be brushed off?

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      We are in uncharted waters at this point. I don’t think anyone could really answer this question with certainty.

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        Fair point!

        I’ve been pretty much shocked by a lot of the things that have happened in the last decade or so … kind of like “nobody would ever ever have predicted that, before ….”

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          If you look at our history, there has always been a sort of club where those involved in wrongdoing end up being shielded from real accountability. There are no other examples of a president being criminally prosecuted for anything.

          People say that is because the founders never imagined that a criminal would be elected president, but given the lack of mention of slavery until the 13th amendment I have a feeling that’s not quite the case.

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      I think this one has the potential to stick. Not just because it’s a state charge that can be easily pardoned. But I think it tells a story that even Conservatives in the South can relate to: a bunch of elites from the North storming in and acting like they’re the ones in charge.

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      Most of them, Trumps guilt is almost assured. However if he elected president again, he can pardon himself for his own crimes.

      These Georgia charges are very likely to land a conviction, at least on som of them. And as president trump cannot pardon any of these crimes.

      I personally doubt we will see any jail time for any of them. Maybe a house arrest or something of that nature.

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        He can only pardon himself from federal charges. Since these are at the state level I believe it would require the governor to pardon him

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          Also, it’s quite possible he’s headed for pre-trial detention, because he’s incapable of keeping his mouth shut. He keeps spouting off attacking the judge and witnesses, and can’t help but release privileged evidence to social media. If so, it’d be all but impossible for him to run a campaign.

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          Take his golf clubs, his reputation and his adoring crowds.

          But let him see the world move on without him.

          It’s enough to break a man like trump.

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      I suppose the fear is we will get a jury, in Georgia, where I suppose there is a high chance to get a MAGA fanatic, and you only need one asshole to sabotage the entire trial. This is always the risk with all jury selections, and the lawyers are very aware of this when they do voir dire

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      IANAL

      I put conviction for some felony at 99% going to real prison at 1%. There are so much that can go into this. Years of appeals, pardons, arguments for house arrest, etc.