US mainstream news outlets like CBS News with actual reporters on the ground at the time: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/there-was-no-tiananmen-square-massacre/
Classified US communications with assets on the ground: https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/89BEIJING18828_a.html
Image Analysis
It was not fabricated by the US. Full stop. It has absolutely been used as propaganda, like literally every politically charged event ever, but it actually happened and wasn’t made up. A lot of brave Chinese men and women died that day. The exact number will likely never be known because it was and is an indefensible act by the Chinese military and by extension government and they will never share their true, unabridged reports of the event.
Removed by mod
Congratuations citizen! You have been awarded with +250 Social Credits for proving China did nothing wrong. If you also prove that Uyghurs in our country have no complaints whatsoever, you can get an additional +500 Social Credits.
All hail our glorious leader Xi Jinping
Congratulations citizen! You have been awarded with a 600 FICO score for promulgating sinophobic nonsense. If you also prove that China is the Big Evil, you can get an additional 250 FICO score.
–
I don’t think you see the irony in using the dead trope of “Social Credits” when an actual credit score exists in FICO and can be used to deny you housing, loans (and therefore access to education), jobs, and more. And if you think it’s just financial transactions, try looking at what companies like LexisNexis have on you that it coalesces into things like “RiskView”, or how much of a profile skip tracing agencies have on everyone. Then you have the profiles built on you by several government domestic (and foreign) surveillance agencies. And you have the profiles built on you by several big tech companies. Just because there’s not a single, unified, government-sponsored surveillance and consumer rating agency doesn’t mean the tangible effects of such disparate systems aren’t identical to what you claim happens in China (i.e., denial of services and access). It doesn’t matter if it’s 50 different entities controlling parts of the system if the end result is identical.
Oh cool the redditors are here now
deleted by creator
Go back to
Yes, not supporting a government that does genocide at this very moment against Uyghurs definetly somehow means I support a dead genocidal regime.
This might be controversial to you, but genocide is not a good thing.
Go back to
, and take your Adrian Zenz nonsense with you.imagine unironically thinking “everyone i disagree with is a nazi”
Hey you said it, not me.
Just like there were totally WMDs in Iraq and Kuwaiti babies were definitely thrown out of incubators
A new book reveals that numerous atrocities that the United States had alleged to have been committed by its foes never happened to begin with.
Reveals? Seriously?
The hoax built around Tiananmen Square was a blueprint for US media campaigns aimed at showing the Chinese government in a bad light, as Washington went on to accuse Beijing of perpetrating a genocide against the Uyghur people in Xinjiang province.
Oh, please.
Keep your tankie apologist shit to yourself. Thanks.
Lol yeah sure just like how the Trail of Tears and transatlantic slave trade never actually happened, rather they were fabricated by China to discredit the peaceful and freedom loving American government
Don’t forget how the Chinese used smallpox infected blankets to kill off indigenous populations in the Americas. /S
From your CNN link:
But there’s no question many people were killed by the army that night around Tiananmen Square, and on the way to it — mostly in the western part of Beijing.
Saying that the “Tiananmen Square massacre” killings actually happened in other parts of the city may be an important academic distinction, but it isn’t a particularly stirring defense of the army’s actions.
Let me be clear here, No one’s denying skirmishes and bloodshed. But the way it is portrayed in the western media is actually far from the ground reality. Have a read at that btw even WikiLeaks provide evidence of fabrication by the US
thx, nice read!
Considering this is the image of Tiananmen that lives in the western popular consciousness, I think there is real value in deconstructing this myth though. When I learned that western journalists are all in agreement that no massacre took place in the square itself, I became more interested in researching the events myself because other Western views concerning what happened could also be misleading or outright lies
spoiler
they were
This massacre of innocent bicycles cannot be allowed to stand.
Ah I wonder what lemmy.ml is up to do…
Oh okay it’s still tanky shitposts
Forgot to add things in the post before! Maybe you won’t see the updated post for some glitch in the federation!. Putting this here anyway:
US mainstream news outlets like CBS News with actual reporters on the ground at the time: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/there-was-no-tiananmen-square-massacre/
Classified US communications with assets on the ground: https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/89BEIJING18828_a.html
Image Analysis
In one of the links listed by op:
“GALLO SAW MANY CASUALTIES BROUGHT INTO THE SQUARE AND DID NOT DOUBT THAT HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE IN BEIJING WERE KILLED BY THE ARMY ON JUNE 3 AND 4.”
Yup. Sounds like a massacre to me.Let me be clear here, no one’s denying the skirmishes and bloodshed that happened there. But the way it is portrayed in the western media is actually far from the ground reality. Have a read at that btw even WikiLeaks provide evidence of fabrication by the US
The title of the post is “massacre… fabricated by US”. Not some details about massacre. Not location of deaths fabricated. The post reads as though you’re claiming the whole thing was fabricated.
For me, I don’t think it makes a difference if hundreds of people were killed inside or outside the square.
When I see things like that I always like to see what kind of website this is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Mayadeen
It is argumentum ad hominem. Imo, doesn’t matter what site is it. If the site has a bad reputation just check sources twice but do not reject the article just because the site. That’s how I see it.
Checking sources twice is something you should do from a news agency that is actually reputable. As in it trades on being honest and accurate.
You’re not obliged to read everything from an outlet that has no track record of honesty and integrity simply because you’ve been beaten around the head with the internet ‘logical fallacy’ meme one too many times.
Thinking that everything you read on the internet should be worth your time to fact check is the ultimate logical fallacy.
Sorry, if you post Nazi propaganda and Holocaust denialism, you lose all credibility as a source.
Nazis are more than welcome to try to argue that they are a decent source, but anyone with a brain is going to discount the site and stories when you see the dreck they post.
There is never going to be a case where the world misses the answer to the ultimate question of life, the universe, and everything because it was said by a Nazi and everyone refused to listen to the Nazi. When it’s clearly straight up propaganda, it’s perfectly rational to dismiss it due to the source and not investigate further. If there’s a valid and useful point to be made, it’ll get made in more respectable sources too and then it might be time to pay attention. Plus, even if they do cite sources, it’s hard to spot where they’ve twisted or lied about those sources, but it’s really easy for the propagandist to spout whatever nonsense they believe because they don’t care about the truth. That asymmetry is good for the Nazi and bad for decent people, and the way to fix that is don’t waste your time carefully investigating and critiquing Nazi bullshit.
Now go in front of a mirror. Look at yourself and read your comment aloud. And then start reading the western MSM on Tienanmen. I hope you’ll be able to figure at least something out of it.
article titles on its Arabic website include “The Holocaust — that great deception”, “Why do the Jews rejoice at the burning of Notre Dame in Paris?”, “Jews and Freemasons in the Arabs’ revolutions”, and “The Jews of ‘Israel’” — this is why their end is certain"
They also refer to the Ukrainian government as a “Nazi regime.”
Your choice, but choosing to believe that site is plainly asking to be lied to. Advising others to “check sources twice” is pretty laughable in this context. This is unintelligent and blatant propaganda.
“Journalists” who take money from these people don’t deserve that kind of respect. I’m not going to invest my time “checking sources” on propaganda, and expose myself to even more lies in the process.
I wish the title wasn’t so clickbaity, since it sounds like they are trying to deny that there was violence at all, which would be out of touch with reality.
