• bionicjoey@lemmy.ca
    37·
    3 months ago

    How I read this poll: 55% of Canadians want a party to the political left of the Conservatives to win.

    How our FPTP system reads this poll: 70% of ridings want the Conservatives to win.

    • tleb@lemmy.ca
      17·
      3 months ago

      I hate this mentality of bucketing Liberals and NDP together. They’re different parties with different policies, and one of the main benefits of PR is that leftists don’t have to compromise our values and vote Liberal just to prevent Conservatives from winning. Treating it like left vs right just pushes us towards the Democrat vs Republican in the US.

      • Strykker@programming.dev
        16·
        3 months ago

        Ah fuck off. People voting for both liberal or NDP would prefer either one to win over the conservatives any day of the week.

        • tleb@lemmy.ca
          6·
          3 months ago

          That’s probably true for NDP voters (i.e. they’d rather have a Liberal government than CPC), but I don’t think it’s true that Liberal voters would rather have NDP than Conservative.

          We’re both just speculating though, there’s probably some actual info on this from people studying ranked ballots

      • Nik282000@lemmy.ca
        14·
        3 months ago

        Treating it like left vs right just pushes us towards the Democrat vs Republican in the US.

        Anything the US does Canada does just a little later.

      • pedz@lemmy.ca
        3·
        3 months ago

        Easy. He just has to open the constitution to make those reforms. Nothing bad ever happens when we try to change the constitution. All the provinces always agree and there is definitely no lingering constitutional issues that we haven’t been able to resolve in more than four decades.

        He shouldn’t have made that promise. He should have been aware that electoral reforms would need to change the constitution and that every time we try do that, the country nearly implodes. So we just keep status quo until the constitutional crisis will be big enough that we can’t ignore it anymore. I don’t know what he was thinking. Maybe he thought we would all forget about it.

  • Beaver@lemmy.caOPEnglish
    15·
    3 months ago

    Good news folks Pierre Poilievre conservatives are losing steam.

        • tempest@lemmy.ca
          19·
          3 months ago

          It won’t matter what he does, we will swap to the cons on the next election because it’s been 10 years.

          FPTP always trends towards a 2 party System.

          It’s why I laugh when people think the Republican party will be non electable in the US. Give it a couple terms and people will want the Dems out.

          • phdepressed@sh.itjust.works
            3·
            3 months ago

            It really depends on if any Rs face actual consequences for the shit they are definitely going to try and pull in regards to a fair election. Also whether there are “moderate” Dems that continue to prevent real progress.

        • Beaver@lemmy.caOPEnglish
          9·
          3 months ago

          The liberals need to also stop being selfish and actually compromise with the smaller parties and independents for electoral reform.

      • Beaver@lemmy.caOPEnglish
        6·
        3 months ago

        We gotta keep exposing them with their past actions. I believe Pierre Poilievre will drop hard eventually.

    • xmunk@sh.itjust.works
      3·
      3 months ago

      It’s important to remember that they must win a majority to form government. The LPC can coalition but the CPC would be a plurality opposition government.

  • kbal@fedia.io
    8·
    3 months ago

    Conservatives projected to equal the sum of Liberal + NDP in the popular vote. When was the last time they were that popular? Brian Mulroney? That wasn’t even the same Conservative party, but people seem to have forgotten that.

    • Beaver@lemmy.caOPEnglish
      10·
      3 months ago

      I would argue conservatives voters are more likely to answer the polls calls as they want to “send a message”

      • kbal@fedia.io
        5·
        3 months ago

        Perhaps, but that seems unlikely to have changed so much since last year. Something else has shifted to make Poilievre and the Cons seem more acceptable to people than they did. Perhaps their party leader has learned to stop saying ridiculously stupid things in public quite so often. Excepting those carefully selected ridiculous things which have proved popular of course, such as “axe the tax” and “common sense.”

      • pipsqueak1984@lemmy.ca
        1·
        3 months ago

        I would argue conservatives voters are more likely to answer the polls calls as they want to “send a message”

        Historically this very incorrect, and most of the Conservatives I know don’t trust the polls even if the CPC is ahead and so have no desire to participate.

        So do you have anything to actually back that statement up, or is it just a feeling?

  • Nogami@lemmy.world
    6·
    3 months ago

    Well let’s hope for enough lib / NDP votes to ensure the weirdos don’t get a majority.

  • SamuelRJankis@lemmy.worldEnglish
    5·
    3 months ago

    I never really know with Conservatives voters, but I think the start of divergence of the Liberals and Conservative around June/July 2023 was around the time they decided to implement the Online News Act that temporarily dropped news from Google feeds and permanently from Facebook.

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/google-canada-online-news-1.6892879

    I think the Liberal incompetence at handling modern social media will end up costing them a lot of votes. Although I still stand by my prediction that by 2029ish Pierre will be one of the most despised Canadians.

  • skozzii@lemmy.ca
    3·
    3 months ago

    Trudeau promised voter reform and then lied and didn’t follow through. I will never vote for him again. NDP all the way.