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- tech@pawb.social
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The cycle continues:
- Hey you guys can have everything for free
- WTF this is expensive to provide, I think I’m gonna start taking advantage of you guys which someone will pay me to do
- WTF where’s everyone going
- WTF I’m still losing money and always have been
- Screw you guys, screw everybody, I didn’t want y’all anyway
- (fades into irrelevance, gets bought by someone and stripped for parts)
Idk it’s not as pithy as Cory Doctorow’s version I guess
Anyway we’re at step 5 at this point
Yeah, Reddit is Digging its own grave.
It’s getting Fark’d
honestly I’m not convinced step 6 is inevitable. I think enough people are okay with whatever reddit does.
The key capitalistic trick is to time your step 2 just when you have a critical mass on your platform. Upper management has understood that our shitty paywall will remove x% of our users from our platform. But if (100-x)% of our users can pay $y annually, we can sustain our business model and make $z of profit each year. PR will take care of all the backlash but it’s all calculated.
I freaking wish…
Tangentially related- I fucking hate discord
Discord is fine for chatting, voice, and iterating quickly on projects. I have no idea why people want to think it’s a forum. That’s ridiculous.
Its pretty awful for all those things if you care about privacy or can’t signup for an account
also not searchable at all. its an information blackhole.
Obviously you would need an account to use it.
Iirc strictly speaking you don’t need an account to use it, but most servers disable that option for anti spam reasons. But if you’re setting up a server for friends they can chat from a browser without having to sign up first
Discord is self-hosted?
No, but discord chats are usually called “servers”
We use it for our friend group, as we have pub nights, group meals, vacations etc. we also all do each other’s cat care when we’re out of town, so we have a channel devoted to pet photos etc. works well enough for us.
Exactly. That’s a great use for it.
Unpopular opinion: I never liked discord for chatting either. I found it strangely confusing trying to keep track of logins for each group
Edit: I am indeed thinking of slack
? Discord has one log in.
You may be thinking of Slack
I fucking hate discord
It’s Cancer, have an upvote.
thanks to them for making my deredditification that much easier!
The only way they get my clicks now are when I Google something and they come up.
They really keep making sure that I don’t end up there.
libredirect helps with that on desktop
(browser extension that turns links to sites like reddit, youtube, etc into links to redlib, invidious)
Too bad. Hey, crazy idea: let’s create an open alternative for reddit with good content! Maybe something in the fediverse or so.
I think you’re onto something
that would never work
There are numerous occasions where someone has a lingering question on Reddit that I see and know the answer to. It’s too bad it’s on Reddit because I no longer contribute to that website, and refuse to.
All the decent answers I find are from 5+ years ago. I check the user’s activity and they normally quit the place. Warms the heart.
just begin with site:reddit.com test for ddg and it still works
Are they new posts or old ones? They are blocking new ones, not old ones.
new posts do not work
this post in /r/selfhosted is from 8hr ago: SWEKIT v0.1 - an open source library to build software engineering agents (DEVIN) in a agentic framework agnostic manner!
reddit/redlib: https://redlib.kylrth.com/r/selfhosted/comments/1eb86lf/swekit_v01_an_open_source_library_to_build/
doesn’t appear in DDG results: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=site%3Areddit.com+SWEKIT+v0.1+-+an+open+source+library+to+build+software+engineering+agents+(DEVIN)+in+a+agentic+framework+agnostic+manner!&t=ffit
I tested and it got lots of reddit queries from even 2 years ago afaik.
They are blocking new ones, not old ones.
I even have diverse reddit queries from last week and even 2 years ago. this workaround is still ok tbh
New means from yesterday, not from last week
Based on my testing if you filter results by the last week or last day you get nothing. Past month works.
For old posts. I can’t find new posts on DDG. I find them on Google but not on DDG.
I tried brave search begin with site:reddit.com test and it still works
LMAO searching “____ reddit” is the only time I visit their site.
They just really have no clue.
The users who wrote the content are going to get a share of the money, right Reddit? Riiight? /s
Would lemmy instances do this?
I know they can’t afford to now, but hypothetically? A lot of people here don’t seem to like data scraping for AI.
Your Lemmy posts are already being scraped for AI
The level of effort it would take to prevent would be infeasible to ask of even a non volunteer admin let alone a volunteer let alone literally all of them
Your Lemmy posts are already being scraped for AI
Good, hopefully it’ll make AI that is slightly less toxic than the rest of the internet.
It always baffles me that people don’t want their content represented in an AI - every word you write that gets indexed is a vote for how future AI will behave.
Wait, do you actually want those companies to make even more money from your data, and want these environmentally disastrous “bullshit generators” to keep on going? I’m not saying stopping them is realistically possible, but if I had to choose, I’d greatly prefer a world without AI.
You cannot choose a world without AI. They will get built regardless of what you want.
With that in mind, the optimal (least bad) outcome is that your world views are represented in the dataset.
That’s what I figured, but I am envisioning a future where lemmy is huge and the network of admins is quite sizable.
I guess that doesn’t change much?
- Run Lemmy instance
- Gain userbase
- Intercept data users are reading and posting from your instance and others
- Feed to AI
- Profit?
Lemmy is way less privacy oriented than reddit and that’s by design.
It’s structural - you can be open or locked down, and it’s hard to decentralize if you’re not open
You can make it easier or harder to work with that data, but ultimately it’s obsfucation - you could make it hard to parse and obscure details, but ultimately if you want decentralized federation you can’t hide too much
You don’t need to scrape. If you want to get all the content on Lemmy, just set up an instance and subscribe to all the top communities, and the instances will just send you all the content.
So there isn’t really a way to monetise or block it. I guess you could only federate to a whitelist, but the biggest instances will federate by default with any new instances until they are given a reason to defederate.
Some Lemmy instances disallow indexing in robots.txt, however indexers can choose to ignore that and actually blocking them takes a lot more effort.
Some places on a “budget” like Ao3 just rate limit hard.
I don’t like that solution at all though.
Brave search got an option for that.
begin with site:reddit.com test is much more accurate to get reddit search on brave search tbh
Someone should make this feature but for ALL public web content you browse. Just download an extension to share the content of pages you browse to everyone (with cross-checking for accuracy), and you can view a fair share of what others have shared based on how much you contributed to the platform yourself. Basically crowd-sourced, unblockable web scraping.
We need that for DDG. Opt-in, of course, but with a banner that makes it clear why is that really needed
So glad I found this alternative. reddit, mods are psychos and the average user not much better
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Your fault for using a major search engine honestly
lol - fine by me. My private searx-ng instance already filters out Reddit from the results, and my Pi-holes block all known Reddit domains.
