I too have been read into special access programs, and I understand how Department of Defense classification systems and authorities work. His (David Grusch’s) testimony is 100 percent credible.
Rear Admiral Tim Gallaudet
Without any supporting evidence, the fact that he was a high level official in a government agency actually speaks against his credibility to me. I wish they’d present some evidence, documentations…
Without any supporting evidence, the fact that he was a high level official in a government agency actually speaks against his credibility to me. All these “Trust me bro” officials and ex-officials? I’d put more trust in a random person, no hyperbole.
I feel the opposite. Unfortunately both of us are working on incomplete information. We simply have very credible people saying fairly incredible things.
You replied to my pre-edit, but I’d be happy to expand on the point you quoted since we’re seemingly quite divided on how to view this.
So far I know of 0 officials or ex-officials that have come out with credible evidence, despite the increasing number of anecdotal testimonies. Not even official releases like the tic-tac/gofast etc. videos are generally considered proof of UFO’s.
Neither have civilians, but have for many decades, individually, told very similar stories to each other. This gives more credibility to “civilian individuals” as a group than the establishment that have kept this secret for so many years. Thus my assumed history with the official narrative is that it’s further away from the truth than observers and experiencers.
With incomplete information, we have to go on what we have. Experience. What is your experience with the official narrative regarding UFO’s… Trustworthy? Because Grusch isn’t a whistleblower in the classic sense, he’s gotten permission to share what he’s sharing AFAIK. Does that not make it part of the official narrative per definition?
Do we have any reasons to believe this is the first steps to a disclosure and just not another psyop - beyond some people saying “Trust me bro”? I don’t see it, but you have shown me things I’ve missed before so I’m not dismissing it.
So far I know of 0 officials or ex-officials that have come out with credible evidence, despite the increasing number of anecdotal testimonies. Not even official releases like the tic-tac/gofast etc. videos are generally considered proof of UFO’s.
Agreed
Neither have civilians, but have for many decades, individually, told very similar stories to each other. This gives more credibility to “civilian individuals” as a group than the establishment that have kept this secret for so many years. Thus my assumed history with the official narrative is that it’s further away from the truth than observers and experiencers.
I would like to delve deeper into this topic because I am not entirely dismissing civilian testimony. In fact, I might be echoing or agreeing with your viewpoint. I believe the fact that millions of people across the globe, without any contact with each other and spanning history, are reporting similar experiences lends more credibility to the phenomenon being real.
When I made my statement, I simply meant that I generally perceive a high-ranking military or government official as a more reliable witness than an individual civilian. In my opinion, there’s a lower chance that such an official would be clinically unstable (though that might be too harsh a term), given their professional standing. Furthermore, it’s noteworthy that these individuals are willing to come forward when it appears they have everything to lose and little to gain, barring any undisclosed financial incentives.
With incomplete information, we have to go on what we have. Experience. What is your experience with the official narrative regarding UFO’s… Trustworthy? Because Grusch isn’t a whistleblower in the classic sense, he’s gotten permission to share what he’s sharing AFAIK. Does that not make it part of the official narrative per definition?
I partially agree with this point, but I do want to provide a bit of pushback regarding him receiving permission. From a legal perspective, yes, the Pentagon did grant him permission. This was elaborated upon by Ross Coulthart in a recent ‘Need to Know’ episode.
Grusch was actually prepared for them to deny him the right to speak about it. He was ready to take them to court (which he was willing to do). This would have compelled some information to be brought before a court to investigate who was telling the truth. The only way for them to avoid this legal scrutiny was to allow him to discuss the matter in general terms.
I will attempt to find a link for reference. If I remember correctly, it was discussed in the first episode of ‘Need to Know’ following the NewsNation segment.
Do we have any reasons to believe this is the first steps to a disclosure and just not another psyop - beyond some people saying “Trust me bro”? I don’t see it, but you have shown me things I’ve missed before so I’m not dismissing it.
I believe we are somewhat in agreement here, although you’ll have to correct me if I’m wrong. Given all the information and what can be considered as ‘verifiable public evidence,’ there is something important to highlight. Some of us weigh the testimony from individuals differently than others, thereby leaning into one hypothesis over the others based on this differential attribution of credibility.
Currently, there are only three hypotheses (in my opinion) that we are unable to rule out:
- The Unidentified Aerial Phenomenon (UAP) is not real and is a government psychological operation (Psyop).
- The UAP is real and man-made.
- The UAP is real and non-human in origin.
I think it might be all 3. A psyOp. Some man made. Some non human. Although all 3 are frightening for different reasons.
I hadn’t considered this possibility. Things are rarely black and white, so your point seems quite plausible.
I think you’re pretty close to it. Original phenomenon exists, reverse engineering of the phenomenon exists and the cover-up of both exist.
I’d just love to know more about all three components, as some people say - Even if the UFO phenomena turns out to be a cover-up for something completely terrestrial… Well, at this scale and duration it’s probably still one of the biggest news stories ever.
I generally perceive a high-ranking military or government official as a more reliable witness than an individual civilian.
Reliability can mean many things in this field. Observational reliability? I’d rather put my faith in a regular street cop to accurately observe and register something rather than a deskjockey. Trustworthyness? I agree they’re generally less likely to suffer mental illness - But would they generally be more inclined to have secrets to protect as a direct results of their high level official positions as well?
Furthermore, it’s noteworthy that these individuals are willing to come forward when it appears they have everything to lose and little to gain, barring any undisclosed financial incentives.
If we’re talking about the military complex, David Grusch is a man who was prepared to lay down his life in defense of his country. I’d say losing ones reputation is a small request compared to giving ones life. Would a “true patriot” be willing to lie and spend time in jail for it to protect his country? I believe so. It doesn’t even have to be a good cause, there’s also the possibility of the recent activity in the UFO field is a cover-up, a feint… And Grusch isn’t even in on it. Patsies and fall guys isn’t a new concept.
The only way for them to avoid this legal scrutiny was to allow him to discuss the matter in general terms.
I will attempt to find a link for reference.
Please do, I’d like to hear the reasoning behind their argument. But please, if you share a podcast… Give me a timestamp! To me it comparable to Grusch threatening with telling mom, from what I’ve seen of the security complex they would have absolutely no problem with covering this up and disappearing Grusch long before he came into the public’s view.
Some of us weigh the testimony from individuals differently than others, thereby leaning into one hypothesis over the others based on this differential attribution of credibility.
Of course. Even accepting or denying just a small claim can have big impacts on the final conclusion, making us believe or assume vastly different things. But I think there has to be some sort of system for how we weigh different testimonies. I’ve tried to explain the reasons behind my way, not claim that it’s the only way. I hope you don’t feel I’m ignoring your often good arguments, just because I don’t always agree with your conclusions.
Rear Admiral Timothy Gallaudet, a retired American oceanographer from the United States Navy, once held the position of Assistant Secretary of Commerce for Oceans and Atmosphere within the U.S. Department of Commerce. He had a front-row seat at a particular hearing, where he keenly observed the proceedings and David Grusch’s involvement. He emphasizes the seriousness of the matter, urging us to pay close attention to the implications.
playing mind games forever
People are waking up to their own abilities, and this is just the rumblings
I believe I understand what you’re hinting at, but I’m interested in hearing more about your thoughts. Would you mind elaborating?
Of course. Sorry sometimes I let my inbox frighten me. The following is mostly anecdotes, bear with me, I believe I come to a point at the end.
So energy is vibration, it’s a sea of vibration, frequency. It’s all interconnected, one vast web. And we have consciousness, which itself is super unique. We project energy out into it, thoughts can be felt, even from a far, at least in my more surreal experience.
I’d imagine there are other things that are conscious, even to a higher degree, perhaps to the point of existing in consciousness itself entirely.
I’m not a scientist. I didn’t even go to college. But I am a critical thinker, and I have tried to debunk these lines of thought, but I just can’t.
So I started practicing some meditation a while ago, lucid dreaming, and came to reiki. It’s basically purposeful energy projection. Intent itself is energy projected out from our minds, and alters reality around us.
I know it sounds wild, but when I was going to school for reiki, we’d take walk ins. We had a very very skeptical man come in, dismissive, which ofc that’s really the right mindset to have imo. I started to do my thing, I put my hands over him, and just projected a sense of calm from within me and tried transferring it into him and after about 2 minutes he began to cry and ran out. Whether that was me, or his own mind, I’m not sure, and what would the difference really be?
So I’ve had another experience with an entity, and it still sends tingles to this day. It was like a being made entirely of those little bits of colored light that get stuck in your eyes, expanding, contracting, swirling. I felt a very intimidating aura about it. I was scared. (I had been doing some Astral projection when this happened)…but I tried to fight the fear and interact with it with my thoughts and intent. At that moment a tiny weird white ball of weird string hit my head, fell in my lap, and I got a very strong feeling that it was playing with me, like a cat, as if to say I had a long way to go in my understanding of anything at all. My eyes were open during this event, and I could literally see a mass of technicolor swarming about, even taking some vague shape of a person, but perhaps it was trying to appear as something familiar for me?
I only have anecdotes for you, yknow. Another one which I consider a very intense spiritual moment in my life maybe more than any other, and perhaps speaks more to UAP than the others:
I was standing with 2 people in a circle in the night. We were practicing some meditation; even what id call magic at this point in my life. I tried to project a feeling of levitation on myself and others, this was a concerted effort btw, and one of the people was less open to these ideas. After a while, I felt I was slowly shooting straight up, and the less open one of us began to basically say “holy fucking shit this is crazy”. …
We opened our eyes and I put my hand to the sky and tried to gather our experience to a single point in my palm and projeft it straight into the sky. As soon as I did, a fucking green star fell across the sky and I fucking cried so hard.
Basically, imo, reality is malleable. Our current knowledge of our mind and the universe leaves much room for pushing the boundaries of evolution itself. Humans are evolving. These UAP could be our own thoughts, our own consciousness. Or the consciousness of other beings far away. Perhaps being of pure energy, or consciousness, perhaps it’s even our own non corporeal form in the ether leaving bread crumbs for us to follow into the future, to make sure we keep pushing our limits.
This is a topic I’ve spent a life time investigating, and I’m no closer to understanding, but I believe I’m better for it, from the process itself alone.
This is one of my favorite things to talk about. As far as the govt goes…they would rather us not push, while they gather up all the energy for themselves for personal gain. There have been moments where I’ve felt a force directly opposed to my practice. What it’s nature is, I can’t fathom. Perhaps this is all my mind creating this out of real physical things, but I’ve really come to find that there is no difference. Every intent, action, and thing is spread across an infinite frequency band, multiple bands, meshed and smeared, existing at every speed all at once.
I’m sorry if I seem crazy to you. I have accepted that I may be absolutely beyond hope, but I wouldn’t want it any other way 🙃
First of all, thank you for sharing this with us and welcome to the community. Whether people believe you or not is irrelevant. Everyone has their own life and experiences. Some people may read this and dismiss you as crazy because it diverges greatly from their own experiences and reality. They demand evidence—evidence that can be reproduced and validated through the scientific method.
However, I prefer to keep an open mind. While I, too, desire concrete evidence, and I won’t commit 100% to a belief or theory without it, I recognize our limited understanding of reality and the nature of the universe. I believe we must remain open to any and all possibilities, even phenomena such as those you’ve described. We should avoid letting our hubris impede potential discoveries.
I’ve perused some papers on astral projection and remote viewing, and I find the concepts intriguing. You might be interested in this podcast. In it, Garry Nolan remarks, “The woo is just around the corner,” in reference to the ongoing public discussion about UAPs.
This is a topic I’ve spent a life time investigating, and I’m no closer to understanding, but I believe I’m better for it, from the process itself alone.
This resonates with me in particular.
I’m sorry if I seem crazy to you.
There’s no need for you to apologize. Just because I can’t relate to your experiences doesn’t mean you’re crazy. Perhaps what you’re saying is true, and if it is, I’d like to have some of these experiences as well and gain a deeper understanding of the nature of reality.
I’d like to point you to our community description in the sidebar.
A community for civil discourse related to Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena. Share your sightings, experiences, news, and investigations. Everyone is welcome here, from believers to skeptics and everything in between.
If you don’t feel welcome and comfortable sharing your experiences here, then this community isn’t fulfilling its purpose. Thank you again for sharing.
