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    They won’t reject him for the crimes he’s convicted of, they’ll reject they legal system that convicted him of those crimes.

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      They only reject the legal system when it’s Republican politicians getting prosecuted. They’re just fine with it when it’s immigrants and other minorities getting murdered by police or deported or thrown in prison.

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        Yes. That’s Conservativism. First decide who is good (cishet white Christian males) and who is bad (basically everyone else). Then subjugate the latter group(s) to the benefit of the former. The court system doing something other than that gives the Conservative a visceral level of discomfort.

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        Right. To us, the phrase “law and order” means a peaceful society that results from everybody obeying the rules. To the MAGA/authoritarian crowd, it means exercising the power of the state (law) to maintain the correct social hierarchy (order). And guess who’s on top of that hierarchy?

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    As usual it’s the pot calling the kettle black. The most blatant US example of a political prosecution in my lifetime is when Trump got John Durham to prosecute two people for reporting him to the FBI. Both of these people merely did exactly what we tell people they’re supposed to do: reported suspicious activity to the FBI. Both were accused of telling immaterial lies that were documented exactly nowhere and clearly lacked the kind of evidence that would be needed to justify any other prosecution. In fact, two prosecutors in the DOJ argued that charges shouldn’t be brought and one resigned in protest over the prosecutions. Both defendants were acquitted after short deliberations, but only after their lives were overturned and they were savagely attacked in the conservative media.

    But no one talks about them because unlike Trump, they don’t have the biggest microphone on the planet. Then there’s also Trump’s blatant pardons of his political allies, which is just as bad of an interference in the judicial process.

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    Well, there are so many Presidents in American history that got away with all their crimes, it really is kind of surreal to see one caught on something so trivial. A real “Al Capone caught by the IRS instead of being a mobster” moment.

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      He’s caught on a bunch of stuff. This is just the first one to get through trial because of the delay tactics of the judge he appointed in one and the delay tactics of the Supreme Court in another and delays associated with poor judgement in the private lives of the prosecution in another triggering delays.

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        Oh, yes, I agree that he was terminally stupid on how blatant he acted, both in this and the other charges against him. It is just funny to me how stuff like Watergate and Iran-Contra were never really prosecuted in any meaningful way, and it took a doofus like Trump for it to happen, and the first ever conviction of a president being on something like paperwork and financial flows, instead of, you know, treason, abuse of power (I know those ones are still coming up, fingers crossed for a conviction) or war crimes.

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          These were crimes committed before becoming president, not acts during their presidential term. He defrauded the American people in order to promote himself for office.

          While I certainly do not believe it is infinite, there is something to the Trump/Republican argument that the POTUS shouldn’t have to weigh being prosecuted after they leave office in every decision they make. I would expect some kind of leniency if there is a strong belief people think they were acting in the best interest of the country. Which certainly would not have been true about Watergate, but as others have pointed out, he was pardoned before he could be charged.

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      We let all the others get away with it! We can’t start enforcing the law now! It’s his TURN! /s

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      It wasn’t prostitution though, that would have been standard. This guy tells Stormy that it’s a job interview like he’s Harvey Weinstein

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      IF only that was the crime. Then ya, sure. It’s the fact that he did it to influence an election. That’s the crime.

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    I enjoy the schadenfreude as much as the next guy, but there is a frame in which this kind of confusion does actually make sense.

    It’s the frame in which you acknowledge that our system of justice isn’t about holding everyone equally accountable to the law, it’s instead been an institution to keep the poor and marginal in their places- that is, it’s about enforcing an unspoken social, class, gender, and racial hierarchy that a lot of the MAGA folks take for granted and really want to defend and uphold.

    That is the order they’re talking about when they say ‘Law and Order’. The order is a social, racial, gender, and class hierarchy, and the law is the means by which the hoi polloi are kept in whatever the powerful in it regard to be their ‘rightful places’.

    For these people, the idea that the law might actually apply to everyone is an attack on the basis of order as they understand it. Of course they’re mad.

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    What’s hard to believe is none of the previous presidents committed any single crime, while this one committed at least 64 and ‘nobody knew’. US intelligence agencies lose huge credibility.

    I personnally think the trend is to dismiss crimes until someone is finally convicted. Then the dismiss abrubtly ends and prosecution succees fully. Either 0% guilty or 100%.

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      What’s hard to believe is none of the previous presidents committed any single crime, while this one committed at least 64 and ‘nobody knew’. US intelligence agencies lose huge credibility.

      No one has made that claim except you.

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        Eh, I’ve seen a bunch of “Trump is our first criminal president” memes. Which really requires you to blind yourself to everyone from Nixon and his wiretapping to Obama and his extrajudicial drone-striking.

        But he’s not the first President to pay out hush money. He’s not the first President to abuse his campaign war chest. He’s certainly not the first President to cheat on his wife. Trump is simply the first person who has won the presidency and been so poorly politically connected that he’s endured a full federal felony prosecution. That says much more about the role of the criminal justice system than the conduct of any given president.

        In a sane and just world, I’m hard pressed to name a President who shouldn’t have been thrown behind bars at some point.

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          he’s endured a full federal prosecution

          If you’re going simp for the tangerine Mussolini, at least get your facts straight: this was a STATE prosecution.

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            Excuse me, felony prosecution.

            And when you consider how many federal indictments have staled out or been dismissed, you begin to see the scope of the problem. The Biden DOJ is toothless in the face of a mafia kingpin. You need the state courts to step in precisely because the federal courts are so stacked in favor of protecting political elites.

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          Eh, I’ve seen a bunch of “Trump is our first criminal president” memes. Which really requires you to blind yourself to everyone from Nixon and his wiretapping to Obama and his extrajudicial drone-striking.

          No it doesn’t because Donald is the first proven convicted felon in a court of law. That’s just a fact. The rest is basically a Two-Wrongs-Make-a-Right / Tu Quoque / Whataboutism argument that suggests a race-to-the-bottom mindset while people speculate over allegations of former Presidents without actually testing those theories in a court of law and in front of a Jury. We should be gleeful that Lady Justice has grabbed Don by the balls and even the President is no longer above the law — regardless of past actions of Presidents; clearly a new standard has been made now which is a great thing for our country.

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            Donald is the first proven convicted felon

            Only because none of the other assholes got prosecuted.

            That’s a flaw in the Good Ole Boy Network of ex-Presidents, where Obama and Bush Jr can have a beer over illegal drone strikes and wiretaps together. It has nothing to do with which Presidents actually committed crimes.

            We should be gleeful that Lady Justice has grabbed Don by the balls

            Let me know if he serves any prison time. We already learned how Trump skates around financial judgement against him.

            Past that, it should be revealing how easy it is to convict these assholes. All 34 counts stuck. Maybe more Presidents should be put on trial, rather than making this particular screwball fascist an exception to the rule.

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      What’s hard to believe here, chud? Donald Trump was a criminal long before his political career. If a country is dumb enough to elect a criminal as president, what are the odds that criminal will continue doing crime in office? You understand Donald Trump isn’t a normal guy, right? He’s the head of a crime family. Now back to /pol with you.

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        This set of felonies was done during the campaign tho. This was a portion of the election fraud he did in 2016.

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      I personnally think the trend is to dismiss crimes until someone is finally convicted. Then the dismiss abrubtly ends and prosecution succees fully. Either 0% guilty or 100%.

      That is how “innocent until proven guilty” is supposed to work.

      What’s hard to believe is none of the previous presidents committed any single crime, while this one committed at least 64 and ‘nobody knew’.

      Previous presidents have committed crimes (Clinton committed perjury, Grant was arrested three times, Nixon was part of a criminal conspiracy) but none were convicted of a felony before now. And everybody knew about Trump’s crimes, his accomplice was already convicted and served his sentence.