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    Antifa literally means “anti-fascist.” Anyone who fought against the Nazis in WWII was “antifa.”

    And Scott Adams lost his f*cking mind years ago.

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      I know at least 4 (I wanna say 6 but 4 confirmed confidently) righty leaning lads who are anti trans for what they will say are varied, diverse, weighty reasons - who all collectively tell the same story word for word any and everytime trans issues come up…

      “I hit it off with a girl on Tinder, then two days in before we met or got serious or even talked all that much (just enough for me to be smitten) they told me they were trans, and I’m not a bigot, BUT IF THEY DON’T PUT THAT SHIT IN THEIR BIO THEY DESERVE WHATEVER HAPPENS TO THEM”

      Nobody understands when I explain that their violent response to a trans woman on tinder is why trans women don’t put it in their bio.

      Shocker.

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        Jesus. Just had a moment of empathy. I don’t think I have ever had a first date with someone (yes I am a het cis male) where violence was a real possibility. The very worse I worried about was some sorta scam. Be safe everyone.

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          Yea it’s a fkd up world, and many people are wild animals, or even worse. Im a cis male too, and the most i ever had to deal with was a girl…[or two] who beat the shit out of me. Some days I have more hope for humanity (myself included) than others yknow.

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          Saying f*ck instead of fuck is just as much swearing. Potentially even more so, since you actively want to avoid word filters.

          It is also kind of like saying “f*cking a**hole” isn’t an insult.

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            I love how much effort you put into pedantry. It’s like you use the most words possible to make the least amount of point lmao

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              I completely agree with the commenter above. Self censoring swear words is absolutely ridiculous. Either swear or don’t - that’s your choice.

              @Owlchemist Comments that insult other community members (directly or indirectly) without adding anything interesting to the conversation are not welcome here.

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                I completely disagree with you both.

                If you feel it’s “insulting” to find judgmental comments that add zero to the discuss except being negative to another community member pedantic, I don’t know what to tell you.

                In all honestly, ya’ll’s comments are the same kind of negative as mine. Who cares how someone else chooses to write? How is bemoaning someone’s choice of spelling or self-censor “adding anything interesting to the conversation.” It certainly makes that commenter feel like shit. So who’s rule breaking here?

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                Are you saying, as a mod, commenters should not be ridiculous and replace vowels with asterisks if they like doing that?

                I prefer not to self censor so I don’t have a stake in this. Just curious so I know what to report.

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                  No, it’s not a community rule, just a pet peeve. I honestly hate it but I think making it a rule would be too authoritarian. I don’t want to be that mod.

                  My reminder of the lemmy rule against insulting others was directed at Owlchemist. I’ll edit my comment to make that more clear.

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          People can talk however they want. Adding an asterisk honestly adds some flavor to it. It’s like, making the curse word taboo again, in a sense. It’s kind of an interesting phenomenon.

          Either way, “either swear or don’t” (in the lots of replies here) is one of the stupidest hills to die on that I’ve ever seen. And there are many corpses of me on top of hills.

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    Um, what does he think Antifa means? You notice how they almost exclusively use the abbreviation and hardly ever the full name? For those who might actually be unaware, it means Anti-Fascist.

    Scott Adams is a fucking moron. He apparently thinks anti-fascists are actually pro-fascist. Dumbass.

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          He wouldn’t even need to say it - just look what the Nazis were which was basically fascism + racial science + antisemitism

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        Or who conveniently forget about the Southern Strategy and the great party switch. Massive, massive mental gymnastics to put themselves on the ‘right’ side of history every time

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          Just like North Korea is called DPRK: Democratic People’s Republic of Korea. The fascist use whatever words are in fashion to name themselves.

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            It is a contradiction, though.

            “Antifa are ANTI fascist - it’s in the name!!”

            “The Nazis weren’t socialist - you could name yourself whatever you want!!”

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              Except Antifa isn’t a formal organization, it’s a descriptor for an ideology. An organization can call itself anything, even if it isn’t a proper descriptor, but an ideology is by necessity defined by its name.

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      A lot of conservatives have problems understanding words, especially words that apply to political beliefs. It’s party ignorance and partly a result of years of indoctrination. One example, thinking that anyone who isn’t hard-right is a ‘socialist’ or a ‘commie’ and not understanding that those aren’t the same thing. Then, fascist… many people seem to think fascist means an authoritarian government, independent of any other qualities or beliefs.

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        Fascism : a way of organizing a society in which a government ruled by a dictator controls the lives of the people and in which people are not allowed to disagree with the government.

        I mean, that’s what most people imagine, when they think fascist and I think it’s good enough.

        Is every fascist government identical? No. But as near as makes no difference they are all the same type of asshole.

        The rest of your points stand, however. People do not understand communism, socialism, nor Marxism.

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          You actually just proved their point by defining authoritarianism and calling it fascism. Fascist governments are authoritarian but that’s just one aspect of it.

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            I literally just pulled the first result on google…

            And like I said for general conversations this definition is absolutely adequate.

            It’s like talking about American Democracy and someone goes “well, technically we’re a Republic!”… Ok great…

            The difference between fascism and communism is that people have generally a good idea of what a fascist government looks like, while they really don’t understand the other terms.

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              I disagree that people generally have a good idea what a fascist government looks like, or else there wouldn’t be this level of confusion. I think most people at best, know what countrys had a problem with fascism in the past, without any certainty of what parts of of those governments were where the fascism was, just guesses.

              Thats why comparisons to nazis and such are so common I would say. People find it a lot easier to point out similarities to known fascism than to try and concisely point out the exact point where an action became “fascist”

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              I literally just pulled the first result on google…

              Don’t believe everything you read on the internet.

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          It’s not good enough because fascism is specifically a form of right wing authoritarianism which includes hyper-capitalism, close relationship between the state and corporations, sexism, racism, and xenophobia. Otherwise we’re back to the idea that a fascist dictatorship and a communist dictatorship are the same thing, which clearly they’re not.

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          I think it’s good enough.

          Most of the time, yeah. We take these mental shortcuts to avoid a lot of unnecessary headache and talking.

          Problem is, these shortcuts get hijacked by asshole grifters to push their own agenda in todays climate of tiktok and youtube shorts. And this is especially potent when the usual everyday use of the word is not good enough. Want another example: “What is a woman?” Same mental shortcut. Same method to exploit the shortcut. Same bullshit. Nuanced discussion not happening.

          Sometimes, we just need to be precise in discourse. These people are intentionally not being precise. They hijack our mental shortcuts.

          Another example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4F6GVLBVcQ

          But yeah, in everyday use it’s good enough. Of course it is.

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      Yeah but get into a debate with Scott Adams and like-minded morons and inevitably they’ll try and pretend that Nazis were actually socialists because it was in their name. Never mind that was a throwback to some early party mergers and everything they said and did was ultra right nationalism. Strictly not fascism (that is the Italian variant) but aligned to it so closely that it broadly makes no odds.

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      I’ve heard more than one person on Fox News or other Right Wing stations call them Fascist Antifa.

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        Yep, he’s completely lost it and was dropped by pretty much every newspaper after describing black people as a “hate group” (among other crazy stuff).

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          I really don’t understand successful people attaching their wagon to Conservatives… The entire human history is just a parade of religious Conservatives resisting change, trying to subjugate others and looking like absolute assholes in hindsight.

          There is ZERO examples in history of “hey we were going to expand freedoms, but good thing we didn’t, thanks to the religious opposition!”…

          Conservatives are wrong and have been wrong on every single social issue since the dawn of time.

          I’m sure they had their victories when it comes to economic issues, but they haven’t had one of those in over half a century either, since the only idea they seem to have is tax cuts.

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        Hah yeah… It also wasn’t until this post that I made that connection. For the past few years I’ve heard of “the Dilbert Guy going off the deep end” and seen random posts (like this) with this Scott character being an absolute moron

        mind blown meme

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      Along with Chachi, Hercules, and the Wheel of Fortune guy. Conservatism (read: Fox News) will rot your fucking brain.

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      It’s almost as if Fox News rots your brain! Or maybe boomers just licked a lot of lead paint as kids…

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    Every word uttered by a conservative is either a lie or profoundly incorrect. Every communication is an attempt to manipulate. This is who conservatives are.

    Never trust the word of a conservative. Never.

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      I was about to advise you to chill a bit, then saw your username and now am sort of impressed by such staunch commitment to being pissed off.

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      Every word uttered by a conservative is either a lie or profoundly incorrect

      Or projection, so much projection.

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      I’ve been putting off seeing family for so long, but I’ve been begged to come to the reunion this year as my Grandma is not doing so great. Every single one of them were once proud Trump supporters who grew silent after j6. Now all they do is scream about Phil Murphy and…bears? Windmills causing whales to beach? This weekend is going to be dreadful.

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        Why do they all hate windmills so much?

        I had an old family friend meltdown, unfriend me from facebook, and avoid me like the plague ever since I told him he was wrong when he claimed it takes more electricity to make a single windmill than a windmill can ever produce in it’s usuable lifetime…

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          Pure culture wars. Renewable energy is an amazing boon for decentralization, which means rural communities and those who want to go off-grid. It’s a no brainer. But because they’ve tied themselves to social conservatism and their thought leaders in that sphere have major financial ties to gas & oil, they have to morally oppose windmills.

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            Actually that is really really interesting what you said, “morally opposed to windmills.” They obviously are against them from a “moral” perspective, but I’ve never seen even an attempt at a moral argument against windmills, its all crazy conspiracy theory stuff. I would almost respect it more if one of them just said something like “I don’t like windmills because I think it is morally wrong to harvest wind”.

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      I used to read ToiletPaperUSA on reedit and yeah, fuckin Charlie Kirk. EVERYTHING he posts online contains fallacies and conflations attempting to manipulate people, like he knows his ideas can’t stand on their own without dishonesty.

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        take economics; many traditional conservative positions square pretty well with economic theories and practices

        Like trickle down theory, corporate personhood, that tax breaks will result in tax revenue, and that government austerity is preferable to stimulus to move an economy from recession to expansion? They’re zero for four in the most popular 20th century conservative economic theories. I’m not sure that economics is the best lens to view conservative theory in a positive light.

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          Dude. What you consider “the left” IS CONSERVATIVISM. The USA is soooooo far afield, people are sooooo brainwashed, they can’t hold a liberal thought in their heads if they fucking tried.

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            US liberals are more centrists in a European sense, no argument there. I’m just pointing out that offering up US conservative economic theory as a shining star of success is not the boast they think it is.

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              neoliberalism is conservative ideology and it has been doing very well the last 40 years, to our vast detriment

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        “conservative” is starting to feel like a meaningless label that assholes throughout history have tried to use to describe themselves because they didn’t like the other words people were using to describe them.

        And don’t get me wrong, I’m sure there are “real” conservatives out there and in history, but it sure feels like they are outnumbered by the people that use the word as a mask, and that is weird.

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            That is kinda my point, the meaning of “conservative” changes a lot through the centuries it has been used, and the only consistent part seems to be the assholes using it as a “friendly” sounding mask.

            And your perspective of the public opinion of liberals is entirely too informed by mainstream media. Many leftists dislike liberals for not being leftist enough, and moderates seem to only expect maintenance of the status quo, not magic

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            When two random assholes claim a label and all the other pressure who claim it disagree, they’re just two random assholes.

            When 99% of the people claiming a label are a certain kind of asshole, that label describes what kind of asshole they are.

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      Hey now, I know the average Bush voter in the late 90s wasn’t like this. Blind hate for half the country just destroys the country. This is a new problem.

      Whatever this new thing is, the small group doing this - not the ever growing group being exposed and converted by it - deserves everything you’re saying. But don’t give up on your conservative family members. We’ll figure out how to stop the flow of hateful brain junk food eventually. We can go back to just politically disagreeing with them, instead of being irrationally hated by them. And vice versa.

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        They weren’t quite like this but there was still shitty conservatives in much the same way… The extremists weren’t the core yet though. They were absolutely still there and voting for Bush, they just weren’t allowed to be the face of the party… Yet.

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        Respectfully disagree. Since Reagan the right has been completely fine with utter hypocrisy in the service of - well, ultimately nothing though for awhile they would say it was in the service of national security, or Christianity or something like that. Reagan republicans actively worked to fool the working class into giving them more and more power by lying, using “morning in America” commercials, and otherwise laying the groundwork for what became the fox news nation we now know and love so well.

        The fact that otherwise good people who would help others and meant for everyone to get a fair chance etc. would steadfastly give their votes to them every election became more of a house of mirrors and lots of analysis as to how that could possibly be when their policies are so obviously cruel / stupid / nonexistent.

        TL;DR - Propaganda works. “The average person” is criminally under-informed in many ways.

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          I hope this is ok to say, but I don’t think there was any part of what I said that you disagreed with.

          I completely agree on all points. Those people have a dishonest agenda and they’ve figured out how to manipulate human nature to get what they need from part of an otherwise-good populace.

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    I have a strong feeling Scott Adam’s most recent ex-wife cheated on him with a black dude. Not that it’s a good excuse or anything.

    I mean, he’s insanely racist to the core and it feels like he’s deeply hurt or something. He can go fuck himself, but he needs help.

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    Wow, had to check this one was real, and jokes on me it’s still up on his Twitter, complete with him stubbornly defending himself against everyone telling him he’s nuts. How did the Dilbert guy lose his mind so completely?

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      I would like to direct your attention to the Behind the Bastards podcast episode entitled “Part One: How The Dilbert Guy Lost His Mind” from July 11th, 2023.

      Your wording was perfect.

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          He’s always been a little like this but pretty quiet and subtle about it. However once he started losing his ability to speak he lost a lot of social interaction and kinda went nuts.

          It absolutely is worth a listen though (as is the rest of the podcast).

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              He lost his voice starting in like 2005 or 2006, then got surgery to fix it in 2008. Real Time was running starting in '03, but that was way before Trump was politically relevant so I’m betting you saw him after he’d lost his voice, alienated everyone in his life and gone nutty, then gotten it back.

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        The Behind the Bastards feature on him posited he was always obsessed with predestiny and being some kind of fountain of wisdom. His fame and seclusion just tipped him over the edge from mere asshole into raging lunatic.

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        Or he was a shut in for a while because he experienced a massive personality change

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    LOL, Scott Adams can’t cope with reality so he has to make up history to make himself feel better.

    The fact that he’s rich is the only reason he hasn’t been Baker acted.

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        I don’t think that is so surprising. Scott Adams spent most of his career as a manager, not a developer. He probably prided himself in not being the ignorant manager, but at this point I have to question if he was just deluding himself.

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    It’s just so sad that they think that antifa is some organization, like “vegetarianism” would be one as well

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      Not unlike how some media is working on presenting the fediverse as a singular organization.

      It’s as if some can’t conceive of humans organizing without a corporate overseer.

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        “Who is this four chan?”

        They really can’t. Anonymous was something that corporate media simply couldn’t explain.

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          And on the other side, NOT anonymous they screw up too

          There’s a big difference between a website knowing that Jim Smith at 123 Blubber Terrace Boise, Idaho visited and looked at dildos vs GA ID 1374738.2188432 did

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        How will the masses be good lil subordinates once they realise they hold the true power?

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    Like Peterson, Scott Adams was at least interesting to read in 2016, even if you don’t agree with him. His analysis on why Trump eventually won was actually a pretty good read.

    But it seems that going deep into the conservative echo chamber turns everyone in it completely insane and paranoid, until they are nothing but a parody of their former self.

    So I think the main idea of conservatism is ironically being self destructive.

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    Can someone confirm that this is genuine? I mean, I know he has problems, but this just seems too f’d up to be a real screenshot 😬

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        Since you’ve already volunteered yourself to venture into the den of awfulness formerly know as Twitter on our behalf; perhaps you could dig around to see if perhaps there’s a recently trending, uh, txeet(?) That says something sensible using the same structure but different groups that this Scott idiot is attempting to parody?

        Something like:

        “I wonder if (some group this Scott guy would relate to?) know that (scumbag group who actually supported Hitler and the previously named group have recently shown support for) was allied with Hitler and helped him come to power…”

        That’s my most generous interpretation of what he’s saying about someone critizing his original post just not understanding “what’s going on here.”

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    This dude is basically just writing historical fanfiction at this point. Add vampires or zombies and maybe he could sell a book.

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    I love that I have seen comments responding to comments about him being crazy with something like. So everyone you disagree with is crazy. Its not a disagreement when someone says a relatively new, modern age group, was behind a historical group. Im not going to even get into its the opposite of what their group is about. Its like no. People are called crazy for saying crazy shit. Like slavery was beneficial to slaves. Thats not about disagreement its just patently wrong. Its like saying when you murder people it can sometimes be good for their health.

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      Adams is “crazy” because he seems to disagree with himself. Donald Trump impresses Adams, yet he voted for Hillary Clinton to protect himself. White people should “stay the hell away from black people,” yet in a tweet after his tirade he explained he is not bothered by black people, but instead bothered by white advocates for black people (which… may include himself, I mean he identified as black for solidarity or something, which is kind of meaningless, but he did used to support black cartoonist Robb Armstrong’s comic Jump Start quite a bit, and even wrote the foreward to his book). Yeah, his views can be upsetting, but the following day they will likely be upsetting yet completely contrawise to his previous views. That’s why he’s “crazy,” and while I dislike the connotation of the word it seems apt. He has a constant paranoid mania in his videos, blog posts, and tweets. I really only have a layman’s knowledge of mental disorders, coupled with my own experience, but Adams really needs an evaluation. PTSD, any bipolar disorder, any schizophrenia, or maybe something else I don’t know about could likely be in the cards.

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        But also like… In an entirely self-contained way the person who wrote the original post is crazy because they are claiming a group was part of events that ended decades before that group formed.

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        Yeah when stuff first came out I watched like half a dozen episodes of his coffee talks. I kept on trying to go with that hes joking or being sarcastic in some way but eventually its like nope. there is no way to spin this. biden turning into a werewolf. sort a joke or something. don’t really get it. does not fit in as funny. come on bring this around to some sort of sarcasm. crap hes just lost it.

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          He was a big inspiration to me too for a while. I started reading Dilbert when I was first learning how to read. Then I started making my own comics for a bit. My mom and a lot of her colleagues loved him and his comic too, since they worked for Nynex, later Bell Atlantic, while he was working for Pacific Bell. I have this fantasy that maybe my mom or her colleagues might’ve even spoken/written to him once while they worked in purchasing. Maybe she or someone else got a phone call saying “Hey, this is Scott. The Seattle office needs more paper. Please order some.” Though that probably isn’t too likely since Nynex only dealt with New York and New England, and Bell Atlantic with the East Coast. Still, everything seemed somewhat interconnected in the Baby Bell days of the phone companies that I feel like he could have crossed their paths. Anyway, I hope he reexamines his views and has a support network in getting better. He deserves his punishment but the funnies aren’t the same without Dilbert.

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            Yeah. Its so strange as I feel this is happening with a lot of people. From well known public figures to even my own family memebers. I sometimes wonder if its a result of modern things that are unfixable for the individual. Climate change and such. I sometimes wonder if some folks brains can’t handle not having a solution so has to go into all sorts of strange beliefs or directions in search of a fix. Like back when musk was a bit more normal there was talk around his various endeavours trying to push technological development to sorta fix things (getting off fossil fuels, moving industry to space, etc) and I sorta wonder if it just became clear that the math did not add up and his mind went to a social issues fantasy to fix the world.

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      Antifa isn’t all that new though. While the American antifa isn’t actually a branch of the original 1930s German one, it likes to think it is, and it’s the German one that Scott’s claiming helped Hitler gain power.

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        No. No it isn’t. Scott is just a moron who happens to also be able to draw (badly) characters that corporate office drones relate to. He’s absolutely trying to attack the current Anti-facist movement in the USA.

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          I mean yeah, he is, but saying it’s new isn’t why he’s talking bollocks. There was an Antifa that the modern antifa claims ideological descent from, and that is what he is claiming supported Hitler.

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            The issue is that what Antifa actually is and how the public perceives it are two different things. This is why certain people will believe this as much as NSDAP being socialists because it is in the name which makes them leftists unless you really give a history lesson. And from experience that will end up in that they either say that’s just your opinion, look at you with glassed eyes or never even listened to you into the end.

            Yes, both are historically really incorrect and at the level of a glance funny in inaccuracy. But on more deeper level this (insert the right fallacy or tactic as it escapes me) is a lot more insidiously dangerous. How do you efficiently encounter it in a way that most people will come out of the discussion with the most accurate knowledge?

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    I imagine hes is misquoting the United Front here?

    The United Front (Einheitsfront) was the strategy of the German communist party KPD to counter both fascism and social democrats (whom the KPD and the Third International called social fascists (“Sozialfaschisten”)). As you can probably guess, this wasn’t very successful in uniting the left and center against fascism, so Parties of the Comintern ended up changing strategies to the United Front, a broad coalition of left and center against fascism. This had some limited success (France had a Popular front government of communists/socdems/left leaning liberals for two years that enacted a fairly large amount of very progressive labour laws and banned a number of fascist and monarchist organisations like the Croix de Feu, Spain had a similar Popular front which ended with the military loss in the civil war against Franco)

    The SocDems SPD had a similar strategy btw., the iron front, which intended to counter fascism, monarchism, and communism and was opposed to the KPD.