I don’t like either candidate, but I’ll be damned if trump is going to be president again and project 2025 comes to fruition.
Doesn’t the USA technically have 6 parties?
Sure, and a window on the fifth floor is technically an exit. But that doesn’t make it a viable option.
I think a better analogy would be, “a building has many exits available, but only 2 emergency exits. During an emergency, you ‘must’ use the emergency exits… But do you really?”
If the USA population decided to ignore the democrats or republicans, as a whole, and focus their votes on one of the remaining four parties, then you lot would see a different party being elected. Easier said than done. I know. And I’m not blaming any of the USA voting population for this dichotomy.
Thank you, I’ll spend the entire day rewatching the series all over again
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I’m going to write in your username now.
November Headline: Random Lemmy user declared president of the United States
Can’t be any worse than the current options 🤷
Perishthethought! Perishthethought! Perishthethought!
Ohno
All you need is a running mate. Might I suggest “Deez Nutz.” Their platform is huge.
Both candidates are a joke & without voting reform it’ll stay as a cabal for the donor class, lobbyist, & corporations. It costs about $10 to mail my ballot to my very red-&-ain’t-changin’ domicile… so I’ll just keep my $10 & buy 6 made-to-order meals instead.
Local elections are also very important and really need participation. Like if you wanted that fee for mail-in voting to go away that would likely be a decision made by local politicians.
And without voting there’s no hope for change for the better
Congratulations on ensuring our system has a harder time improving
I would agree but I spent very little time in my domicile & haven’t set foot within US borders in years. Seeing that I don’t pay (local) taxes or otherwise participate in the local community or economy, I would argue it would be unethical if I did vote in a place that doesn’t represent me & I don’t understand too well—like voting straight ticket without looking into any candidates. Last time I did a mail-in, I only checked State-level boxes since those you can easily research online & are more broad-reaching than the local level where only locals should be casting ballets for their community.
If I could vote on issues that actually affect me, I absolutely would—like FBAR reforms where you aren’t seen as a criminal for having more that $10k in a foreign bank where you actually have your address, tax reforms that took TurboTax out of the equation as the only ‘affordable’ option that actually lets you file with a non-US address instead of a no-service error, or Medicare/Medicaid reform that allowed vouchers or reimbursement for using services abroad rather than it being a money sinkhole you pay into your whole life, even if you don’t live there, but can’t redeem any care unless on US soil. These are never ballot measures & instead requires, ugh lobbying or a representative willing to champion these topics seen niche despite there being more citizens outside the US than some States in population.
That’ll show ‘em!
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I think he wants to withdraw all support for democracy
I sure would love to see some some of these memes leveling criticisms at moderates and liberals for being inflexible.
Hard to be flexible when the whole schtick of the right wing is to actively be bad people
Then it should be easy for liberals and moderates to compromise with leftists and progressives.
I get the feeling I’m mixing my definitions. In my mind liberals are generally allies of progressives and leftists, no?
So in Lemmy and other fediverse services, liberals are typically defined as “left of center.” That’s because a significant portion of fediverse users are progressives (socialists, advocates for social justice within government) to leftists (anarchists, who believe the government shouldn’t exist in the first place, and communists where money shouldn’t exist in the first place).
Goootcha, I was thinking the context was classical liberals who lean more right.
i’ll vote for nobody. nobody cares! nobody is honest! nobody for prez
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None of the above!
Remember, vote for the guy doing a genocide to prevent the other guy from doing a genocide.
I’ve never heard of such a movement, tbh.
It’s an incredibly stupid movement where people are saying that they won’t vote as a protest to not liking either candidate.
Usually said by people who have little to lose if Republicans win, seem to think revolution is a viable possibility if Republicans win, and/or think that by not voting something good might happen.
Also people who don’t understand that our system is a First-Past-the-Post system and the only group of people who are trying to get support for not voting in this election are people on the left.
So I’m not as many words: people trying to guarantee a victory for trump.
Again, I haven’t seen anything like that. I’m giving you the benefit of the doubt by assuming that you aren’t dumb enough to be confusing the noncommitted movement of the DNC Primaries with the general election in November. You’re not that dumb, right?
Don’t make the mistake of believing that just because you haven’t seen something that it doesn’t exist.
We all exist in media bubbles and in those bubbles we miss a lot. By seeing this meme you could say that your media bubble has finally bumped into the bubble where people openly talk about not voting.
Hell there’s comments in this comment section on the note of not voting.
I’ll be voting but it won’t be for Biden or Trump. If you want me to vote for him then figure out how to make him listen to the people he’s depending on to get elected.
There’s no such thing as the perfect candidate so voting for the person you hate the least is the best option for preventing the person you hate the most from winning.
I’m not a fan of Biden but he’s way fucking better than trump and his fellow Republicans.
No. I’m not going to continue to reward moderates and liberals for being inflexible. If they’re not willing to do it now they’re never going to be and fascism isn’t just a possibility it’s a guarantee. Let’s get it overwith.
And by not voting you’re ensuring that positive change will have a much harder time occuring.
Local elections are very important and pushing for more progressive local candidates can help to influence policies on the national stage. And if there’s no candidates you like in your locality you can try to run yourself.
There’s more elections than just the election for president.
And by not voting you’re ensuring that positive change will have a much harder time occuring.
Liberals and moderates by not materially compromising with leftists and progressives are ensuring that positive change has and will continue to have a much harder time occurring.
Your judgement cuts both ways you know.
Liberals and moderates by not materially compromising with leftists and progressives
They are way more likely to do so than Republicans that’s for sure
All you have to do is look at voting records to see that
All you have to do is see the break down for who voted for the Respect for Marriage Act for an easy example
I’m voting for the PSL this year! 😊votesocialist2024.com
E: wow, so much for democracy 😔
cant wait to be able to vote when someone under 60 is running. That’s going to be a really cool day. Like 30 years from now.
I would personally be happier with 20 something year old presidential candidates over the current trend of the battling octogenarians. At least the 20 something year old politicians would have to live a long time with the ramifications of their decisions and actions.
Its still not ideal, but I would take it over these incredibly out of touch seniors. They should be out enjoying their retirement and last days on Earth, anyways.
there is definitely something to be said about the known future impact of legislation for younger members.
The majority of presidents have been under 60. Obama, Clinton, Bush 2, Jimmy Carter, JFK, both Roosevelts…
Only Trump and Biden have been over 70. Regan missed it by like 20 days.
only one of those have been recent. hillary might’ve been younger but we all know how that went lol. bush 2 electric boogaloo would’ve been pretty close though.
What is recent? W. Bush was four presidents ago, Clinton was only five presidents ago. We’re only on our 46th president since Washington was inaugurated in 1789, 235 years ago. When you go through presidents that slowly, it’s easy to have your sample thrown off if you just include a couple of decades.
Yeah I felt like including anyone older than the 1900’s was cheating considering people back then died in their 60’s from having bad teeth back then, let alone bloodletting.
recent as in, 10-20 years. Bush technically counts. Maybe. I didn’t do the math.
Either way my point here was that it’s absurd that our candidacy choices are between two elderly men.
Just to explain my math point a bit more, let’s take the definition of recent by decade, where all presidents serving within those decades count:
- 1 decade (2014): 3
- 2 decades (2004): 4
- 3 decades (1994): 5
- 4 decades (1984): 7
- 5 decades (1974): 10
- 6 decades (1964): 11
- 7 decades (1955): 13
- 8 decades (1945): 15
Even going back fairly far, we still have a pretty small sample size to draw conclusions for presidents specifically.
I agree with you on the age issue as a broader problem. There we have a solid sample. We’ve become a gerontocracy at the federal level especially, with the older generations holding onto power far past when they should have moved aside to allow in new people and fresh ideas. People in their 80’s and 90’s holding on to seats clogs the pipelines so that everyone else is prevented from moving up.
every so often i remember that there are still probably silent generation members in the government, and that statistically, the vast majority is gen x or older, broadly across the government.
It really makes you think.
You should run
For president, or away?
im thinking generically, probably whatever is closest.
i would run. You have 30 million dollars for a campaign?
I could chip in a little lol
Fffffffffffffffffploppers!
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It’s easy to understand the leftist claim that liberals always ultimately bend to fascism when you see comments like this that explain the US’s turn to fascism is because of leftists(?).
You comprise one of the two sides who blindly vote according to the principle of “he’s better than the other guy”. I suspect you’d be fine with more genocides in the decades to come only insofar as they’re committed by democrats. Meanwhile, actual leftists will continue to imagine better systems, build mutual aid networks, and arm vulnerable comrades. American electotalism isn’t going to stop the backslide into fascism or the ecocidal intent of the US ruling class.
Agreed. And if we look even a decade into the future what happens when leftists and progressives voters suddenly start dominating primaries? Are moderates and liberals going to show up in the general elections then? I think we all know the answer.
Fascism isn’t a possibility, it’s a guarantee and it will be moderates and liberals who are to blame.
This is obviously absurd. If choosing from the legal options in an election is being part of a “conspiracy” then the whole system is already failed and you yourself are a conspirator for not doing anything about it.
And no, voting one of the same two parties that have brought all this mess in the first place is not doing something. The Reps and Dems are equally responsible for the desolate state of the US democracy. So by your definition of “conspirator” you have conspirated to bring about the conditions in which Trump not only was elected, but has a chance to be reelected.