It’s interesting and sad how so many people state their sexist and stereotypical believes as facts. And than want proof their believes are wrong, otherwise they will continue to believe in their sexist beliefs as if they were facts, even without any proof for their own narrative.
I could ask you, why are you so sure women want children more?
Studies and national surveys of multiple countries show the opposite:
Female students showed lower willingness for future childbirth than male students (χ2 = 26.85, p < .001). Women valued motherhood significantly less than men valued fatherhood (t = 6.34, p < .001). Women had a lower fertility knowledge score than men (t = 2.53 p = .012).
When it comes to having children a similar pattern emerged, with 67% of males saying they want to have children one day compared to 61% of females. Just 12% of males said they didn’t want children compared to 16% of females
Counterpoint: cost of living doesn’t have any bearing on whether you want to, it just affects whether you will or not. There is no amount of money you could throw at me.
Yes, at you specifically, but for a lot of folks affordability does correlate with if they personally want to have a child, they aren’t ideologically bound to one state or the other the way some child free or quiverfull folks are, the switch to want children is turned on for them if the conditions are met in their eyes where a child is possible to have and raise in a stable environment.
It’s literally what happened with the baby boomers, and with Millennials and Zoomers too, although that one was linked to the subprime mortgage collapse, which ensuantly threw all those excess births into an unanticipated financial instability, which helped define the generation being extra weary of financial risks.
Though the other commenter saying “that sounds like it is made up” is definitely not presenting an opinion as fact, it is challenging that you presented your opinion as fact (in the uninformed person’s eyes) with no sources to back it up (in your original comment). But then you came with proof afterwards that it has indeed been studied and is a fact.
That does not mean that he was “stating his sexist stereotype as fact”.
If I said:
“Multiple studies have shown that the majority of people think the earth is flat”
with no sources.
Then anyone would be very reasonable to say “that sounds like you are making it up” (which in this case is true).
I didn’t realise it wasn’t the same person. The original comment I reacted to wrote this:
No shit it’s correlated more women want kids than men. Professor was a dipshit
Which has 50 upvotes still. It shows me that people accept this theory without the need for sources out of sexist stereotyping. No one responded with “you are making it up”. Instead it’s accepted as truth.
While demanding sources when I write the opposite.
Actually, that sounds like it’s made up
It’s interesting and sad how so many people state their sexist and stereotypical believes as facts. And than want proof their believes are wrong, otherwise they will continue to believe in their sexist beliefs as if they were facts, even without any proof for their own narrative.
I could ask you, why are you so sure women want children more?
Studies and national surveys of multiple countries show the opposite:
Gender differences in willingness for childbirth, fertility knowledge, and value of motherhood or fatherhood and their associations among college students in South Korea, 2021
Why Young Women Are Less Interested In Marriage And Children Than Young Men
Why do more men than women think children equal fulfillment?
Single und kinderlos: Vor allem Männer wünschen sich Nachwuchs
shhh, don’t spoil the lad(and other like him)'s fantasies that women secretly all want children
remember kids, it’s not misogyny if she secretly wants it (of course she does, she’s a woman!) /s
I mean you could also argue that the disparity comes from the severe cost of living crisis
Cost of living affordability is directly correlated with the desire in women to have children.
Basically women do want children as much as men do, they just aren’t as stupid about it.
Counterpoint: cost of living doesn’t have any bearing on whether you want to, it just affects whether you will or not. There is no amount of money you could throw at me.
Yes, at you specifically, but for a lot of folks affordability does correlate with if they personally want to have a child, they aren’t ideologically bound to one state or the other the way some child free or quiverfull folks are, the switch to want children is turned on for them if the conditions are met in their eyes where a child is possible to have and raise in a stable environment.
It’s literally what happened with the baby boomers, and with Millennials and Zoomers too, although that one was linked to the subprime mortgage collapse, which ensuantly threw all those excess births into an unanticipated financial instability, which helped define the generation being extra weary of financial risks.
I mean 60% of women want children, thats a solid whatever your preference is.
Props for pulling the sources!
Though the other commenter saying “that sounds like it is made up” is definitely not presenting an opinion as fact, it is challenging that you presented your opinion as fact (in the uninformed person’s eyes) with no sources to back it up (in your original comment). But then you came with proof afterwards that it has indeed been studied and is a fact.
That does not mean that he was “stating his sexist stereotype as fact”.
If I said:
“Multiple studies have shown that the majority of people think the earth is flat”
with no sources.
Then anyone would be very reasonable to say “that sounds like you are making it up” (which in this case is true).
I didn’t realise it wasn’t the same person. The original comment I reacted to wrote this:
Which has 50 upvotes still. It shows me that people accept this theory without the need for sources out of sexist stereotyping. No one responded with “you are making it up”. Instead it’s accepted as truth.
While demanding sources when I write the opposite.
You didn’t source what you stated, so it did sound made up. Thanks for providing some (no really, thank you)
Actually, you can find studies that confirm any bias you like.
What matters a lot more is what the body of research as a whole trends towards. Meta studies are the things to read, if you can get them.
I reviewed 500 studies, filtering for quality and sample size, ended up with 10 for my review, this body of works says X
Even meta analysis can have biases