Honestly, it could be a real power move for some blue state republicans to flip parties. If they could pull a Reagan and say that the Republican Party has changed but they haven’t, they could take both the democratic voters and centrist republicans while losing the MAGAs, and still carry their district.
They don’t even have to flip outright to Democrats, they could simply announce they are now Independent. They are probably getting a Primary challenger regardless, and maybe Democrats pay back the favor by forgetting to run a candidate in that district.
What share of Republican voters are flexible enough to decide to vote for the Democrats just so they don’t support the Trump/MAGA movement? Because these people would need need to decide to vote Republican come next election and US electors seem to be very entrenched in their support for one party or the other, no matter what…
There’s always more people to peel off, but I think a lot of the centrist republicans have already switched. Anecdotally, my dad, a lifelong republican, chose not to vote in 2016, and voted for Biden in 2020. I don’t see a lot of Trump voters switching over after voting for him twice, but maybe some of the moderates who held their votes will decide to vote for democrats in the future
It could, but brass tacks: Who are these people? I mean which Reps could survive jumping ship here with their political careers intact? I’m genuinely curious because I love the idea. I just don’t see it for the same reason I don’t see a single Dem flipping to get a more center Republican speaker.
If you defect, you basically have to swap parties entirely, because you’re not just signing up for the Speaker. You also have to expect to protect him or her from the next motion to vacate. And the next. So in for a penny, in for a pound.
This is the same reason it takes a majority to elect the Speaker in the first place: Otherwise you have a House with a Speaker that still can’t actually govern.
I think this gets things backwards. MAGA is the party as far as I can see. Trump has dominant support in the primaries. So who is kicking out whom? Even the non-freedom caucus members have to be MAGA-lite.
MAGA is the greatest base of voters. The neocons have been defeated so what do you want to do about it? And the religious right have gone full MAGA as well. Libertarians are also Maga-like (anti-Ukraine at least) so I’m not entirely sure who these Republicans are supposed to be impressing in their party by working with a Democrat.
It is pretty cool though to see more Republicans stand up to Jim Jordan though, especially when that news came out about the threatening text messages some Republican Rep’s wives got about their spouses vote. I would love to see more Republicans break off and pick somebody else other than Jordan. He is the absolute fucking worst and he’s a maga Republican 100%. I mean if you’re looking for somebody who looks strong to Republicans, Jim Jordan is not the choice. He looks like a whiny, sniveling bitch.
But sadly, I absolutely expect them all to fall in line behind Jordan after several pointless rounds of votes. Because they’re all cowards.
That’s analogous to a conservative commentor saying, “an easy solution would be a few Democrats voting for Jordan.” You and I know that’s about as likely as Hillary stumping for Trump though.
That’s analogous to a conservative commentor saying, “an easy solution would be a few Democrats voting for Jordan.”
I’m pretty sure that was exactly the point. There have been endless articles asking if Democrats will step in to help Republicans out of the mess they created by voting for a marginally less extreme Republican. This person was flipping that nonsense around and asking why a handful of Republicans can’t just vote for someone who actually wants to govern.
(1) Republicans are knee deep in infighting right now. Working with Democrats is bad enough but voting for one would definitely bring a primary challenger.
(2) Republicans have the majority in the house. Fair or not, it’s theirs and in my opinion it just isn’t realistic to expect them to give the gavel and the speakers bully pulpit (to borrow the expression) to a Democrat especially at the beginning of a presidential election cycle.
I haven’t looked at these 20 Biden district Republicans in a lot of depth, only superficially, but I don’t see them switching party alliances and in my opinion that’s the only way they’d vote for Jefferies.
There’s no chance of them crossing the aisle to elect a Democrat, yes.
But there’s also no chance of them siphoning off Democratic votes if they’re unwilling to give anything up, and can’t be trusted even if they offer something juicy.
So there’s about as much chance that they’ll elect Jeffries as there is that they’ll elect one of their own.
Purple? Definitely but feeling Blue? I don’t think so. I think it’s increasingly likely that we could see a republican & Blue dog supported speaker but in my opinion it’ll be a republican with some minority party rights. I can’t see Jefferies getting the gavel this time around. Hopefully 2024 gives it to him.
Sounds like they could easily solve this problem by making Hakeem Jeffries speaker.
Honestly, it could be a real power move for some blue state republicans to flip parties. If they could pull a Reagan and say that the Republican Party has changed but they haven’t, they could take both the democratic voters and centrist republicans while losing the MAGAs, and still carry their district.
That would be something for the history books.
I doubt they would be trusted at this point. Too many burnt bridges in the MAGA lifetime. They are on life support.
They don’t even have to flip outright to Democrats, they could simply announce they are now Independent. They are probably getting a Primary challenger regardless, and maybe Democrats pay back the favor by forgetting to run a candidate in that district.
What share of Republican voters are flexible enough to decide to vote for the Democrats just so they don’t support the Trump/MAGA movement? Because these people would need need to decide to vote Republican come next election and US electors seem to be very entrenched in their support for one party or the other, no matter what…
There’s always more people to peel off, but I think a lot of the centrist republicans have already switched. Anecdotally, my dad, a lifelong republican, chose not to vote in 2016, and voted for Biden in 2020. I don’t see a lot of Trump voters switching over after voting for him twice, but maybe some of the moderates who held their votes will decide to vote for democrats in the future
It could, but brass tacks: Who are these people? I mean which Reps could survive jumping ship here with their political careers intact? I’m genuinely curious because I love the idea. I just don’t see it for the same reason I don’t see a single Dem flipping to get a more center Republican speaker.
If you defect, you basically have to swap parties entirely, because you’re not just signing up for the Speaker. You also have to expect to protect him or her from the next motion to vacate. And the next. So in for a penny, in for a pound.
This is the same reason it takes a majority to elect the Speaker in the first place: Otherwise you have a House with a Speaker that still can’t actually govern.
I think you mean HAAAKEEEEM JEEFFFRIEEES
I hadn’t heard that. That’s fantastic. It reminds me of Barack Obama’s announcement in his Epic Rap Battle of History
Sweet summer child. The reference to Leeroy Jenkins is right in the description.
https://youtu.be/mLyOj_QD4a4?si=aPUXmhC0wlwijlGT
The correct pronunciation.
Thank you for that!!! Haha
In my opinion there’s no chance of that happening. The next speaker will definitely be a republican.
I’m just saying, it’s an easy solution. Only takes a few Republican votes.
McCarthy was kicked out for working with Democrats to prevent the government shutdown.
You’re grossly underestimating the RINO / propaganda that causes Republicans to knife each other in the back and demand loyalty.
Surely their long term best interests is to kick the MAGA caucus out of the party, but I guess we’re just driving full steam into fascism instesd
I think this gets things backwards. MAGA is the party as far as I can see. Trump has dominant support in the primaries. So who is kicking out whom? Even the non-freedom caucus members have to be MAGA-lite.
I mean, yes, but the leadership is still nominally under control of the old guard. Then again, if Jan 6 didn’t stop them, nothing probably will.
MAGA is the greatest base of voters. The neocons have been defeated so what do you want to do about it? And the religious right have gone full MAGA as well. Libertarians are also Maga-like (anti-Ukraine at least) so I’m not entirely sure who these Republicans are supposed to be impressing in their party by working with a Democrat.
It is pretty cool though to see more Republicans stand up to Jim Jordan though, especially when that news came out about the threatening text messages some Republican Rep’s wives got about their spouses vote. I would love to see more Republicans break off and pick somebody else other than Jordan. He is the absolute fucking worst and he’s a maga Republican 100%. I mean if you’re looking for somebody who looks strong to Republicans, Jim Jordan is not the choice. He looks like a whiny, sniveling bitch.
But sadly, I absolutely expect them all to fall in line behind Jordan after several pointless rounds of votes. Because they’re all cowards.
Link for reference https://news.yahoo.com/gop-rep-reveals-threatening-texts-073112564.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAGVbOGFfhk10n5vCNUBjtymaq49vhJXDRGI7BpMXwBieZZCv_UGtnoS4Aj2QvdDZy5XUXs56FNZqh0kZeCiT9sLABrK9LwZtndkFyi0CaA_yPMTTvknuxxxkqQ3Vv4z6k3-d65qCWz4gYLPULwr7L5KtoSY_2btSgSVJQlHkp4bo
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That’s analogous to a conservative commentor saying, “an easy solution would be a few Democrats voting for Jordan.” You and I know that’s about as likely as Hillary stumping for Trump though.
I’m pretty sure that was exactly the point. There have been endless articles asking if Democrats will step in to help Republicans out of the mess they created by voting for a marginally less extreme Republican. This person was flipping that nonsense around and asking why a handful of Republicans can’t just vote for someone who actually wants to govern.
Two reasons:
(1) Republicans are knee deep in infighting right now. Working with Democrats is bad enough but voting for one would definitely bring a primary challenger.
(2) Republicans have the majority in the house. Fair or not, it’s theirs and in my opinion it just isn’t realistic to expect them to give the gavel and the speakers bully pulpit (to borrow the expression) to a Democrat especially at the beginning of a presidential election cycle.
I haven’t looked at these 20 Biden district Republicans in a lot of depth, only superficially, but I don’t see them switching party alliances and in my opinion that’s the only way they’d vote for Jefferies.
Well, she kind of did do that, though.
What if he switched parties long enough to be elected and switched back? That’s allowed per their playbook. Right?
Only when it works for their own side…
No /s to be clear.
There’s no chance of them crossing the aisle to elect a Democrat, yes.
But there’s also no chance of them siphoning off Democratic votes if they’re unwilling to give anything up, and can’t be trusted even if they offer something juicy.
So there’s about as much chance that they’ll elect Jeffries as there is that they’ll elect one of their own.
There are Republicans where they were able to win their seat but Biden won the general. They might be feeling purple.
Purple? Definitely but feeling Blue? I don’t think so. I think it’s increasingly likely that we could see a republican & Blue dog supported speaker but in my opinion it’ll be a republican with some minority party rights. I can’t see Jefferies getting the gavel this time around. Hopefully 2024 gives it to him.
I agree with you but I’ll maintain my hopium.
I’m maintaining with you.
Hopium 2024
Well, Christler it is.