• czech
    1•11 months ago

    Free speech is a delicate principle. It requires everyone to firmly agree that everyone is allowed to speak freely, and we’re all prepared to fight to the death, literally, to defend their right to say it

    What? Says who? This only exists in r/conservative echo chambers. You’re free to say what you want but nobody has to listen.

    The “prepared to fight to the death to defend it” is in reference to the “free speech” that the constitution protects. We literally had a war about it 300 years ago. You can’t have it both ways.

    I’m not saying “no true Scotsman.” I’m saying Mussolini was a legitimate fascist, and his party died a long time ago. Some people today have similar traits, especially on the Left, but nobody is really part of his party anymore.

    I’m saying Trump it the leader of the Conservative party in America and you are saying he’s not a true conservative. It’s the definition of “no true Scotsman”. Stating it’s not doesn’t actually change anything.

      • danhakimi
        1•9 months ago

        lol. “He does not represent the voice of conservative Americans. I mean, conservative Americans love him and want to vote for him and boo anybody who wants to run against him, especailly in Republican-party-controlled spaces, but that’s all liberals’ fault, no true conservative likes Trump.”

        also, weird to focus on religion, but: https://web.archive.org/web/20201024120658/https://religionnews.com/2020/10/23/exclusive-trump-confirmed-a-presbyterian-now-identifies-as-non-denominational-christian/

      • czech
        1•11 months ago

        Democrats control the mass media,

        This is delusional. Fox news is the largest “news” organization in America by a wide margin.

          • czech
            2•11 months ago

            Fox is only centrist by American conservative standards. The positions they support are considered far-right by most of the developed world outside of the middle-east and china.

              • czech
                4•11 months ago

                I have no idea about the rest of the world

                I believe it. What I’m saying is that from your insular experience you wouldn’t realize that what you consider “centrist” is actually “far-right”.

                In reality the largest news organization in America is “far-right” with some smaller extremist-right orgs. What you consider “leftist” is actually “centrist” by developed-nation standards. You can go on calling it what ever you like but it has no basis in reality outside of conservative echo chambers.

                  • czech
                    2•11 months ago

                    No, I get it. You are not going to let facts get in the way of your conclusions. You don’t sound dismissive you seem uninformed. That’s fine and on brand with the positions you’ve shared.