• stanleytweedle@lemmy.world
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    I watched 30m of a Peterson ‘lecture’ a co-worker recommended to me. It kind of opened my eyes. Peterson is basically a ‘motivational speaker’ that presents himself as an academic well enough to fool people that only understand academic aesthetics. He doesn’t even try to back up his claims or references, he just makes wildly abstract and generalized claims about human civilization and draws analogies that sound like they support that perspective. They sound right enough to people that want to believe that there is an expression of their culture that is inherently ‘good’ and all of civilization’s problems are based on corruptions of that culture. But in the minds of his fans he’s offering ‘proof’ of this perspective by appearing academic, even though he offers none.

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      he’s a TED talk basically.

      most TED talks are like that. sophisticated sounding gibberish that has no real world merit, but sounds really cool and interesting.

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        It really has become so easy to make yourself seem smart and credible these days. The fact that people thought Trump was a “good businessman” is absurd

        Give millions of people across the US the same money, connections, and opportunity and they would all be just as successful if not more.

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      He’s basically a conman. It’s impressive in a way, I’ve watched enough of it a few times to see how convincing he is. Anyone who doesn’t want to believe it will sniff the bullshit after 3-5 minutes of him doing nothing but blow smoke and talk in self reinforcing circles with no facts.

      If you want to agree with him, it’s very easy to think he’s informed and speaking the truth. Which is why he’s so dangerous. He’s like the gateway drug to right wing extremist views. He tells men all the things a lot of them want to believe. About how their inadequacy isn’t their fault. How everything was stacked against them. Reinforces their sexism, their anger, directs it. Then they’re listening to all the other even more blatant alt right voices and most of them never come back.

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        He’s just a glorified self-help guy who’s gotten way more attention than he deserves by saying mildly offensive things. He should never have been allowed to become a target for outrage. Once that happened, he figured out how to monetize it and it was off to the races. It’s like a feedback loop.

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      I highly recommend watching his debates with Sam Harris

      It really shines a light on what a fake sophist charlatan Peterson is. Harris is so clear and plainspoken in comparison. His ideas are sophisticated, but explained simply.

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      Well, before we can say that Peterson is fooling people by only aesthetically presenting as an academic first we need to define fooling, then we need to define academic and then we need to define presenting. Without that shared substrate we can’t make any value judgements about him because if we don’t have that, we don’t have anything.