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I blame the fact they built all these institutions with no clause to expel members, or which require total unanimity to do so. They really bought in to the whole “end of history” thing, I guess.
Yeah, this is an interesting element. Historically, allowing all members a veto, while also having no way to expel a member, means that any such institution is liable to outside meddling. The classic example is the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberum_veto – in the Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth, any noble could veto anything. So all it took was buying a few nobles and it shattered.
Apparently, based on that Wikipedia article, they ended up making a new version with less strict veto rules, called the confederated sejm, which is also where I expect all these Western institutions to go eventually. TIL.
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That is an L take. Having a term limit helps increase the difficulty of making political dynasties. It doesn’t make it impossible, but it sure is gonna make it harder for a certain person or group to solidify their power base.
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Rad
Russia uses RadAway
It fails.
It hurt itself in it’s confusion
I don’t like the expansion of NATO, but due to Russia’s recent imperialism, Sweden’s and Finland’s reactions are completely reasonable. A much healthier alternative would have been actually advancing towards an integrated European defense system involving EU members, with a door open to certain neighbours such as Norway, but it’s pretty hard to do that when the political groups that could actually promote that alternative are schizophrenically tolerating positions such as “I’m a pacifist, so I’m advocating for my own country’s disarmament despite my neighbours starting wars very recently” and “if Ukraine didn’t want to get invaded, they shouldn’t have sought guarantees against Russian aggression from third countries”.
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EU’s population: 448 million
EU GDP: 19 trillion dollars
Russia’s population: 143 million
Russia’s GDP: 1,78 trillion dollars
Simplifying a bit here (I’m obviously taking Morocco and Belarus for granted, assuming that Turkey wouldn’t attack Greece, and so on), but it’s pretty much a “gotta get our shit together” situation, because there’s no reason why we should depend on the US for defense, or anything else.
I assume you meant trillion and not million for those gdp figures? Even then, they’re low.
Fixed, good catch
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but due to Russia’s recent imperialism, Sweden’s and Finland’s reactions are completely reasonable.
that is, it was not NATO that staged two coups in Ukraine, put its puppet government there and began to push the country into NATO, build bases and create threats to Russia’s security, but this Russia, for no reason, attacked poor Ukraine, which did not exist at all not so long ago, and it was part of Russia
Lol
startrek website continuing to be the highest quality instance
Everyone’s doing a big ehhhhh on that.
You don’t have to agree with the post to see that they hold themselves to a higher standard than most of the federation.
People are leaving the starTrek website communities and instance because of uh certain issues. See you at ten forward.
Oh that sounds like fun with a capital FU. EDIT: Cursory look didn’t bring up anything all that interesting. EDIT2: Evidence has been provided to me via DM, and i’m not impressed by it. Maybe Startrek is as good as it is because they get rid of people like that? Just a thought.
Thanks
ObamaPutin!Huzzah! Welcome to the team, Sweden. We can all be self defense buddies together! =D
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Remember, no Russian.
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NATO loves to do Libya’s, theyre not a self defense organization they’re an imperialist alliance.
A new member of the US foreign policy enforcement gang. Who’s next?
Ah yes the US foreign policy of “not being invaded by Russia”
Russia can’t even conquer a quarter of Ukraine. No chance they’re going to invade Sweden, a country they don’t even share a border with. Is Canada afraid of being invaded by Russia? Is France? Is the UK?
Have you learnt nothing from Hitler and WW2? Appeasement doesn’t work.
I agree, the USSR assumed too much good faith on the part of NATO. Millions of casualties from economic devastation later, nationalist wars are still breaking out between former soviet states, and Nazism is on the rise.
Wars “breaking out” like it isn’t Russia invading everybody else lmao
It literally doesn’t matter who is invading who, it wouldn’t have happened without the western backed coup of soviet democracy.
Have you learned nothing from WW1? Massive military alliances don’t prevent wars.
Notice you don’t actually address appeasement doesn’t work?
But as for
militarydefence alliance (notice how you tried to misportray that?): Points to cold war.Something tells me you’re a Putin apologist.
You should listen to Dan Carlin’s Hardcore History. WW1 was interesting.
Notice you don’t actually address appeasement doesn’t work?
Notice that I pointed out that your solution is something else that doesn’t work?
(notice how you tried to misportray that?)
Oh fuck off with the smug smarmy shit nobody’s impressed.
Something tells me you’re a Putin apologist.
Putin has justified half of what he’s done by playing the victim and whining about NATO expansion. He wants this, and you want him to have it.
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Also funny how this “appeasement never works” fanaticism never applies to NATO and it’s members
Yeah, funny how Russia, China and friends haven’t sanctioned the US and other countries. They have the full right to do that instead of continuing to appease them.
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Can you explain why Russia and China haven’t sanctioned the US if they are so opposed to what the US is doing?
Who says anything about appeasement? That’s your words, not mine. Besides, Russia is already being appeased by NATO not letting Ukraine join.
Why don’t NATO stop being cowards and admit Ukraine immediately? If they’re serious about “defending Europe and democracy”.
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The only reason they can’t get past ukraine at the moment is because of western intervention. If the west hadn’t supported ukraine in they way they have lukies map would be a reality already
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Russia can’t conquer even a quarter of Ukraine, and they still invaded Ukraine. Sweden and Finland know that Russia can’t conquer them, and that knowledge has made them stay neutral in the past. But Russia has just shown with Ukraine that they might try anyway just because, and it’s a huge pain in the ass for Ukraine and for everybody else in Europe too. So it’s only natural that Sweden and Finland would like to avoid even being tried to be conquered by Russia.
And like we can see, the Russian invasion of Ukraine also impacts France, the UK, and Canada. It’s not that these countries have decided to brainlessly follow the US. They want to support other countries who are at more risk of being invaded by Russia because countries being invaded by Russia is a huge pain in the ass for everybody in the region, not just the country being invaded. So their foreign policy goals simply happen to line up with the US goals.
Russia’s inability to conquer any of its neighbors is irrelevant. The possibility of them even attempting is unacceptable if you share a border with Russia. Sure, maybe Putin can’t hope to depose your government, but the destruction and deaths before his failure are still a horrifying reality that’ll take years, possibly decades, to recover from.
As for why Sweden felt the need to join, despite not having a single meter of border with Russia, it’s because Finland felt the need to join. The two countries are tightly bound and do not want to end up on the opposite sides of a war. Now they’re much less likely to.
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Dunno, is it really US foreign policy if it’s not bipartisan
Fuck the tankies in here and praise UN and Sweden.
Russia locked out of the Balkan Sea now?
They have Kaliningrad.
Kaliningrad’s fairly strategically useless to them now that every surrounding country’s NATO though. The Suwałki Gap between Kaliningrad and Belarus used to be pivotal in potentially re-taking control of Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia. It would have been very difficult for NATO defend them if Russia took the gap. But now those countries are protected by NATO countries all around so Kaliningrad’s a lot less useful strategically. Not to mention that there’s a strong Kaliningrad independence movement so they’re struggling to control it internally as well.
More here.
What a lousy website they have…
It’s the primary source, but I do agree…
depositing its instrument of accession
Sounds like a sov.cit.
I hate China
Took long enough. Glad to have them finally.
Irasshaimase~ er, welcome! This isn’t really that big of news imo, they were pretty much already a member kinda.
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