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        What a vague and silly comment, half the world’s top contributors to greenhouse gasses aren’t even capitalist countries. I get the fediverse isn’t a fan of capitalism, but you can’t just blanketly blame everything on it.

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          The US military is the single largest polluter organisation on the planet - do tell me how we can’t blame capitalism again?

          And just for your information - that other gigantic capitalist country you falsely believe isn’t capitalist? Guess what? It’s capitalist.

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            China is the number one greenhouse gas contributor, Russia is near the top of the list as well. Fuck off tankies.

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              If you think those 2 are communist countries, you’re stuck in the last century. Let me give you some news. The Soviet Union collapsed and gave way to a capitalist oligarchy. China realized that capitalism is profitable and brings them tons of money from the west. I have no idea why tankies still simp those countries as communist (wait, I do actually - because tankies never had any principles of their own, they just wanted to be anti-west).

              There is one country that needs to kickstart change for it to have any effect, it’s the US. Not only does it pollute the most per capita, it’s a huge market. My tiny ass country with fuel prices already being twice as much in the US, can raise fuel prices even more, but that won’t affect global demand. Americans no longer getting fuel for essentially free, would actually affect global demand.

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                Yes, of course, because political systems are binary and there’s only capitalism and communism lmao

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                  There’s plenty of systems that mix both, but Russia and China aren’t actually good examples. They’re pretty capitalist.

                  If you want a better example of mixing capitalism with socialism, you can take a look at something like the Nordic countries, where there are tons of social services and safety nets, but there’s still a very strong (just regulated) free market.

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                    There’s plenty of systems that mix both, but Russia and China aren’t actually good examples. They’re pretty capitalist.

                    State companies and state-connected companies own more than half of each one’s economy. More than in Nordic countries.

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                    Seems a bit silly to decide that “capitalism” is the majority contributor to climate change when the country that produces the most greenhouse gases is only “pretty capitalist” doesn’t it? If capitalism is the major contributor, why don’t more capitalist country produce more greenhouse gases?

                    I never set out to argue that capitalism doesn’t exist in countries that aren’t primarily capitalist.

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              Those 2 are literally capitalist countries. Also tankies are the ones who commonly say China is not capitalist.

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                    What makes me think that two countries that have never identified as capitalist and have never been identified as capitalist anywhere except for this crazy ass community where you just go ahead and label anything you don’t like simply as “capitalism”? Oh I don’t know, just a hunch I guess!

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              China is the number one

              Sooo… a capitalist state?

              Russia is near the top

              Sooo… another capitalist state?

              Fuck off tankies.

              You don’t know what a tankie is, do you?

              I knew it was a bad day when we allowed liberals access to that word.

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                  You walked blindly into this argument with absolutely zero understanding of the subject matter at hand, didn’t you?

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                    Users are attributing climate change to “capitalism” with no evidence or reasoning to back it up. You’ve made assertions that countries that political experts don’t consider primarily capitalist countries are actually capitalist countries with no evidence to back them up. I don’t have to waste my time disproving your flaky nonsense, calling it out is good enough for me.

                    And what part of this conversation makes you feel like the intelligent subject matter expert here? The part where you said liberals shouldn’t use certain words? Keep it up bud, appreciate you helping me decide which communities to filter out here.

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                  Do you think a tankie would say China is a capitalist nation? Liberalism really is worse than brain cancer. They are either an anarchist or some other shit, you just see the names of the enemies of the empire and scream, you poor ignorant Gringo.

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            Also, non-capitalist countries tend to be low emitters because they are failed countries whose people live in miserable poverty.

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            The US military is the world’s largest socialist organization. Universal health care, pensions, free college and job training, free housing…

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              The US military is the world’s largest socialist organization.

              Oh, do please explain to us how worker ownership of the means of production works in the US military.

              Wait, don’t answer yet… I quickly have to get some popcorn. This is going to be good.

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                  Taxes

                  Taxes? That’s how the working class owns the means of production in the US military?

                  Am I talking to a damn chatbot here? It sure as hell sounds like it.

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                    Yeah, think of it like a corporation. Instead of shares, you have votes and taxes.

                    Everyone in the military can vote on the actions of that military. Although, so can everyone not in the military. And the number of votes don’t correspond to how many shares you can buy, because it’s more equal than capitalism.

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          Just as there are hordes of idiots on the right who call anything they don’t like “socialism”, there are a few idiots - primarily teenagers - on the left who call anything they don’t like “capitalism”.

          After the supreme court invalidated Roe v Wade, I attended a rally. I walked away when one of the speakers started shouting “We know what the real problem is…capitalism!” and all the university kids started cheering.

          I love the enthusiasm and your heart’s in the right place but y’all are dumber than a bag of bowling balls.

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      You can have industrialized production and consumerism without capitalism. Not that I’m defending capitalism, I just think our problem is deeper than what you make it, and human nature combined with unchecked technological ability to remodel out planet would yield the same outcome, no matter the dominant flavor of our economical structure.

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      It’s not a full solution, but I’d love to see more use of compostable single-use plastics coupled with municipal biochar facilities.

      It’s an excellent cycle that harnesses capitalism and materialism. People buy single use plastics, then throw them away. Municipal garbage (a utility company paid for by ratepayers), picks it up, and brings it to a biochar facility. The facility pyrolizes it, making syngas (which they burn for energy which is then purchased by consumers) and biochar, which is sold as a soil amendment and happens to be carbon-negative. Excess biochar can be buried.

      It’s a typical capitalist create-consume economy except it’s carbon-negative (when paired with decarbonized transportation like electric trains and delivery vans, and hydrogen powered garbage trucks). The more you consume, the more carbon you actually suck out of the air.

      There’s a few proposed loops like this which instead of fighting consumerism actually harness it to make carbon negative actions. Another one that I’m very interested in is making HVAC filters that also passively absorb carbon from the atmosphere. With electric heat pumps we already have an HVAC technology that is minimally emitting. Pair that with carbon negative filters and you’re golden.

      Or concrete using injected co2. It’s a real thing that exists, it just doesn’t have price parity with traditional carbon-intensive concrete. Imagine if just by building a building you could be carbon negative.

      Again, it’s not a total solution but I wish I could see more use cases like this instead of the “consume less” narrative. People are not going to consume less, that’s not how people work. The only way to get people to consume less is by raising prices (which is a necessary part of the solution of course).

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        Why do you think pyrolyzing random plastic waste generates biochar?

        It would also never be carbon negative, since it is from oil. Best case is neutral, but some carbon is burned off in the process.

        Same for concrete, it is not suddenly carbon negative.