“Nuclear-weapon states should negotiate and conclude a treaty on no-first-use of nuclear weapons against each other or make a political statement in this regard,” Sun said.
China and India are currently the only two nuclear powers to formally maintain a no first use policy. Russia and the United States have the world’s biggest nuclear arsenals.
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It’s China. Literally nothing they do can be sensible to dumbfuck Americans, it goes against their nationalistic exceptionalism and false propaganda.
It’s China. They’ve lied and deceived about many things and should not be trusted.
Unlike the US
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No this is about hypocrical apologists for a hypocritical nation being hypocritical… That’s you and the US, just in case you were wondering
So you agree that China is the hypocrite? Great.
Yes. As is the US
But the US is not signing the treaty.
So?
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The French will never agree.
Their stance has always been, if France is threatened we will use every weapon in our arsenal.
They do not have end the world stocks of nukes like the US or Russia so their attitude is, “Fuck with us and we will end you.”
They do not have end the world stocks
I think you overestimate how many nukes it would take to cause the end of the world. Unless you mean “every piece of land is a radioactive wasteland” end of the world.
Radioactive contamination is basically a non concern. Potential massive climatic effects and logistics collapse on the other hand, are.
Yes, France has enough nukes to cause a nuclear winter several times over. And yes, while radioactivity levels drop rapidly, I meant it in the context of “every single piece of land is nuked and turned into a radioactive wasteland where you wouldnt want to be. Which is a concern because who wants to glow in the dark, right?”.
Not sure France has enough nukes to literally hit every square inch of the planet in one go.
If just India and Pakistan were to go to nuclear war with each other, in their small localized region of the world, 27 million people would die from the carnage. The resulting nuclear Autumn would be enough to change agriculture and starve 250 million people worldwide.
Kurzgesagt Video with timestamp: https://youtu.be/LrIRuqr_Ozg?si=Nn6YuO0llyB-B6If&t=380
Seems like incredibly low totals.
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How so, that is exactly inline with “no first use”.
I’m all for countries vowing not to use nuclear weapons first, but what is the point of a treaty? If a country does use nuclear weapons first, I think other countries are going to be less concerned about breaking the treaty and more concerned about WW3 and Armageddon. And given that both the US and Russia have shown scant regard for treaties in recent years with major changes to policy, surely the treaty wouldn’t be worth the paper it’s printed on.
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That is obviously fake news the libs and MAGAs told me Chyyyyna bad!
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Russia also maintains a no first strike policy, unless that changed since I last got stuck in a rabbit hole about nuclear policy. The US is the only major country in the world to maintain a first strike policy with nuclear weapons that I know of.
Kind of? They call it that sometimes but it doesn’t look like a true no first use policy in the same vein as China’s and India’s. Putin also threatens nuclear weapons if NATO troops were to get involved in Ukraine, and openly questions the policy.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/09/europe/russia-putin-nuclear-weapons-intl/index.html
I’m not sure any nuclear country would stick to these policies if they truly faced an existential threat, whether that threat was nuclear or not. Russia’s policy has a carve out for any existential threat including conventional weapons. US and Russian policies are pretty close, basically okay to use for any existential threat. Doesn’t hurt to try and negotiate more no first use policies and reinforce the norm though.
Looks like the UK, France, and Pakistan also lack no first use policies.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_first_use
As far as I can tell the article is correct, China and India are the only current nuclear powers with true no first use policies. If that’s incorrect happy to learn more though. Israel not on here cause officially not a nuclear power, but hey we weren’t born yesterday.
Wow great info, thanks so much for doing all that legwork! It makes sense that Putin would put less stock into the policy than did his predecessors, because while the leaked Soviet archives show the USSR was genuinely terrified of nuclear war and mostly built up in response to US expansion of nuclear programs, I feel like Putin sees it more as a tool for intimidation.
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because they set up their nuclear arsenal with this far more reasonable and less aggressive strategy
Yes.
Folks, very smart people are saying it. I talk to CEOs, generals, every day they tell me. They tell me China is a problem, they say “we’ve got a problem with China. We’ve gotta do something about China.” Everybody’s saying it. That’s what they tell me.
Should have thrown in a “I’m a very stable genius” somewhere.
I fail to see the point of such a treaty. This planet isn’t surviving a nuclear war long enough to hold anyone accountable over it anyway.
China and India are the only responsible players on the world stage and it shows.
Cojncidentally, they’re also the two nuclear-armed countries who have been involved in the fewest conflicts, and who’s conflicts have been resolved the most quickly.
Also, they have been fighting each other without guns.
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I can tell if China is worried about current Russia or a future US under Trump.
This is directed to the US, UK, France, and Pakistan.
China and india already have no-first-use policies. Russia inherited one from the USSR, which was dissolved when the west coup’d them and immiserated their people. Russia’s lack of a no-first-use policy is directed at the guys who represent an existential threat to them.
“Russia makes constant nuclear threats and doesn’t have a no first use policy, but it’s totally entirely the fault and moral obligation of the us. Totes definitely.”
lol
Russia makes far fewer nuclear threats than the US who flies stealth bombers right up to the border of North Korea every year and is developing new ICBMs.
But yes Russia’s nuclear policy, including their revocation of no-first-use in the 90s is in response to the US’s actions.
The current situation is especially ironic because Yeltsin, the guy who executed the coup and burned parliament, and removed the No-First-Use policy, and Putin, were both picked by the US.
Fewer nuclear threats, lmao.
Names a different country and dismisses explicit nuclear escalations, lmao
Names someone who is not currently leader of Russia, and hasn’t been for 24 years, lmao
Imagines that the Soviet Union didn’t have internal issues except those caused by the us, lmao
This is your brain on tankie. “The nuclear power has no agency to make better choices whatsoever, how could the west do this”
Gosh why do I just not feel bad for poor ol putin here? Real head scratcher.
Lmao.
I am explaining history and context of Russia’s no-first-use policy and the specific instances that caused them to change it and how the leaders who changed it remain in power. You are dismissing it because I am not starting and ending at “russia bad, does bad things”
The nuclear power isn’t making worse choices, they’re responding to external and internal circumstances.
You’re coddling a nuclear power by claiming it’s entirely subject to evil us pressures. They could have implemented a no first use policy any time in the past 20 years just fine, but they haven’t.
I’m dismissing you because your points are wildly silly and blatantly have an agenda to paint Russia as a victim of external forces. Russia is a big boy country, they can implement a simple policy.
Don’t worry, the us could too.
PS, every single country in the world is responding to external and internal pressures.
They could have implemented a no first use policy any time in the past 20 years just fine, but they haven’t.
Do you think the pressures to maintain a nuclear deterrent against a conventional NATO invasion as more countries joined NATO and NATO leveled half a dozen countries over the last 20 years has increased or decreased?
Note that much of the former USSR, including Russia has not fully recovered in the last 30 years, and NATO has only expanded while denying Russia’s attempts to join.
every single country in the world is responding to external and internal pressures.
You have failed to internalize this, hence why you feel like I am dodging or misleading when I discuss such pressures instead of ending my analysis at bad.
This would be a mixed bag because it could open the door on more conventional wars since it would left the threat of MAD.
I think this applies more to our typical bullying. Against another nuclear state, this treaty is meaningless.
this is largely symbolic, it doesnt change anything
