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    “I am no longer accepting the things I cannot change. I am changing the things I cannot accept.”

    • Angela Davis, for those who didn’t know the reference
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      I love Angela Davis. I really need to learn more about her. I saw this video posted somewhere during 2020, and for folks who can resist the urge to impatiently skip past what she’s setting up in the beginning, the payoff at the end of her response to the banal question of whether she supports violence for her cause is (IMO) exceptionally powerful.

      https://youtu.be/2HnDONDvJVE

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        Thank you for the reco. I will check this out and keep your comment in mind.

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          It’s actually kinda short, but the first time I watched it I think I didn’t expect what she describes at the beginning to play so directly into her final words, nor to be so very personal at one tragic point. I think I was kinda going “OK I know awful things were happening back then” I’m embarrassed to say. Once realizing that she was putting all that together for a specific purpose, I had to go back and watch it word for word - so I could have been projecting my own general impatience with video clips onto others. :)

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        It’s her reversal of the Serenity Prayer, changing it into a call to action instead of acceptance of the (seemingly) inevitable.

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          I wouldn’t describe it as a reversal, the actual serenity prayer as stated already has the “courage to change the things I can,” so anything that is within the speaker’s ability to change should already be covered. And the last part, the wisdom to know the difference, already asks to have the ability to discern the two categories, and seeks to avoid accepting the things that can be changed.

          It’s clever, but doesn’t actually say anything the serenity prayer itself doesn’t already say.

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      Because American media keeps pushing the idea that the Democrats are “the left” and because Democrats oppose guns because the Republicans promote them, they equate owning a gun with being a part of “the right”.

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        Also far right conservative men are given all the permission in the world to threaten violence whereas many groups of people on the left, and leftism in general are defined by conservatives as inherently dangerous which both makes it practically much more dangerous to own guns and carry them (because you will just got shot by a cop and the cop won’t even get in trouble they can just say “they looked dangerous”) and also makes a culture of responsible gun ownership way harder to grow because the societal conditions around it are aggressively hostile to leftwing people owning guns.

        Listen to the way centrists talk about the threat of violence from the far left and far right in the US, of course there are shitty, dangerous people on the left, but to compare the two as if there were similar amounts of violence coming from both is a ridiculous misstatement of reality.

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          The fuck are you talking about, cops don’t ask what your political lean is…if they want to shot you they will. Being a responsible gun owner also has nothing to do with politics, get strapped and keep the 4 rules in mind. There are a ton of us on the left who own guns and more and more are arming themselves on the left.

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            The fuck are you talking about, cops don’t ask what your political lean is…

            As someone who noticed the difference between how police treated BLM protestors vs Jan 06 insurrectionists I think it’s pretty clear that if they do have an inkling of your leanings it’s gonna make a difference, at least in preconceived notions as they enter into their interaction with you, and how aggressively they come at you in the first place.

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                Depending on what you are implying regarding which was which, I have a hunch we aren’t going to agree on that detail, and I’m doubtful either will change the others mind, so I’m just going to cut this off here.

                Edited because my original wording was nearly gibberish.

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                  I’m saying the insurrectionists were armed, as well as the idiot protestors outside of many State Capitol buildings, and so the cops are a lot more apprehensive about harassing or confronting them than they were towards BLM protestors. There was a lot more at play on January 6th than just being armed though, including ideological alignment, and support from high level politicians.

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            Whats funny is I keep hearing about bots and operatives on Lemmy that go around promoting things that arent the status quo like we are the next social media. And the kind of people saying it thinks everyone needs to stick to a party line or else! Like or else what? If I do not love every thing Big Dem is pushing, I am a Russian shill bot trying to destroy America. The downvotes you have are from people barely able to form thoughts past doing what they are told.

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        Republicans “support” guns up until black people start marching with them.

        Democrats “oppose” guns except for the police who shoot black people.

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        Yeah - in non US places gun ownership only means one thing: you own a gun. It says nothing about your politics. And yes, US democrats being referred to as “left” is ridiculous. The Democrat party wouldn’t even be a centrist party in most (western) democracies.

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          Believe it or not, there are plenty of Democrat and Republican gun owners alike who view gun ownership the same as you do, and don’t make it their entire identity, political or otherwise. We just don’t get constantly exposed to that reality, because it doesn’t make for interesting headlines, or divisive online debate.

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            Good. I’m glad. I had my suspicions that was the case but it’s nice to have it confirmed by an insider. I always struggled to believe that an entire nation of so many millions of people would have a one size fits all pro/anti stance on any one topic; it’d be absurd.

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            Pepsi - the choice of a new generation… of woke, pronoun-shifting libtards. As an aside I like your spelling. It’s reminded me to listen to Ice Cube’s Amerikkka’s Most Wanted again.

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                Are you familiar with sarcasm / irony / satire? I’m quoting and subsequently mangling a slogan from 1985. (c. Forty years ago) Surely you haven’t taken that comment at face value?

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                I remember that now you mention it. Bartering with a super power seemed crazy to me back then. It’s amazing how little seems to have genuinely improved for Russians (specifically) since the fall of the USSR - we had high hopes of a new age but… gestures broadly at the current state of Europe and shakes head.

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        Democrats don’t oppose guns. Democrats are for base-level gun control. Republicans are insane, NRA-supporting fools who would rather 5 year old children get massacred weekly instead of have any potential gun controls.

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      An armed left is like base level marxism

      And then what?

      Suppose you get falsely charged by the state because of your politics, what are you going to do? Get into armed conflict against the police officers coming to arrest you?

      Is that what Steven Donziger should have done?

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        It’s not like armed insurgencies don’t happen in modern countries. Look up the IRA. Even if you are not keen on blowing up billionaires, you can still shoot meal team six as they try to bring back lynching and the KKK.

        That said, disarming the country including the police, especially the police, would be more conductive to a peaceful life. So would actual democratic representation.

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          Absolutely not, I’m all for defunding the police but if your idea of a peaceful country doesn’t involve someone owning and being willing to defend themselves with firearms you’re just living in a fantasy where crime just magically doesn’t exist.

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            In my part of the world, people grow up just fine without owning firearms. This whole gun worship is mostly a US thing.

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            Yeah, and they kill them and also some others, and some guy’s wife. The guy takes up arms in revenge and the cycle continues.

            It’s not an open armed rebellion, it’s constant terror attacks. How do you send in the military to quell a car bombing or an assassination?

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        Then you get your single shot rifle and storm the the king’s palace with it, against a bunch of people with single shot rifles, kill them all, kill a king, all his family, and thus establish a military goverment. Because it’s apparently it’s 19th century now.

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          Then you get your single shot rifle and storm the the king’s palace with it, against a bunch of people with single shot rifles, kill them all, kill a king, all his family

          Sounds good

          thus establish a military goverment.

          Nah, I just defeated the military. I would prefer a less authoritarian system

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            When you killed everyone in a coup, you are by definition a new military. You might prefer less authoritarian system now, but all your friends who are running around with rifles trying to do a coup are in it for power, it’s just how the selection process goes, for everyone bright eyed idealist who will immediately relinquish his absolute authority that he just won by fighting a civil war, there will be 10 people who fought in civil war to get this absolute authority.
            We know that, because actually I deceived you earlier, it’s not 19th century now, and we already saw how that happened. And also, both technologies and situations are different now

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              When you killed everyone in a coup

              I didn‘t kill „everybody“. I killed the king, his family and his guards and maybe his ministers or generals

              you are by definition a new military

              No, I am a member of one of many militias

              all your friends who are running around with rifles trying to do a coup are in it for power

              Not all of them, but I understand what you mean

              for everyone bright eyed idealist who will immediately relinquish his absolute authority that he just won by fighting a civil war, there will be 10 people who fought in civil war to get this absolute authority.

              Yes. Thats how war works.

              both technologies and situations are different now

              Exactly

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                I didn‘t kill „everybody“. I killed the king, his family and his guards and maybe his ministers or generals

                Not how civil wars work unfortunately

                No, I am a member of one of many militias

                Which makes you a part of the military power of the new rule. So yeah.

                Yes. Thats how war works.

                Yes. That’s my point actually.

                Exactly

                Ok, but that’s worse. You do get how that’s worse, right?

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      The impression is that the left is the only side calling for gun control.

      Despite the most sweeping gun control implemented by Reagan, and Trumpty dumpty literally floated illegal search and seizure for firearms.

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        perhaps at the federal level, but California and Washington liberals have passed sweeping gun control laws that severely impinge on law abiding citizens, and the AFT under Biden criminalized brace pistols, turning millions of law abiding citizens into criminals overnight. Only a SC ruling kept them from pursuing arrest for people who legally purchased their firearms, including a full background check for their purchases.

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      𝕿𝖍𝖊 𝕾𝖊𝖈𝖔𝖓𝖉 𝕬𝖒𝖊𝖓𝖉𝖒𝖊𝖓𝖙

      𝔄 𝔴𝔢𝔩𝔩-𝔯𝔢𝔤𝔲𝔩𝔞𝔱𝔢𝔡 𝔪𝔦𝔩𝔦𝔱𝔦𝔞, 𝔟𝔢𝔦𝔫𝔤 𝔫𝔢𝔠𝔢𝔰𝔰𝔞𝔯𝔶 𝔱𝔬 𝔱𝔥𝔢 𝔰𝔢𝔠𝔲𝔯𝔦𝔱𝔶 𝔬𝔣 𝔞 𝔣𝔯𝔢𝔢 𝔰𝔱𝔞𝔱𝔢, 𝔱𝔥𝔢 𝔯𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱 𝔱𝔬 𝔨𝔢𝔢𝔭 𝔞𝔫𝔡 𝔟𝔢𝔞𝔯 𝔄𝔯𝔪𝔰 𝔰𝔥𝔞𝔩𝔩 𝔫𝔬𝔱 𝔟𝔢 𝔦𝔫𝔣𝔯𝔦𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔡.

      𝓚𝓪𝓻𝓵 𝓜𝓪𝓻𝔁

      𝒰𝓃𝒹ℯ𝓇 𝓃ℴ 𝓅𝓇ℯ𝓉ℯ𝓍𝓉 𝓈𝒽ℴ𝓊𝓁𝒹 𝒶𝓇𝓂𝓈 𝒶𝓃𝒹 𝒶𝓂𝓂𝓊𝓃𝒾𝓉𝒾ℴ𝓃 𝒷ℯ 𝓈𝓊𝓇𝓇ℯ𝓃𝒹ℯ𝓇ℯ𝒹. 𝒜𝓃𝓎 𝒶𝓉𝓉ℯ𝓂𝓅𝓉 𝓉ℴ 𝒹𝒾𝓈𝒶𝓇𝓂 𝓉𝒽ℯ 𝓌ℴ𝓇𝓀ℯ𝓇𝓈 𝓈𝒽ℴ𝓊𝓁𝒹 𝒷ℯ 𝒻𝓇𝓊𝓈𝓉𝓇𝒶𝓉ℯ𝒹, 𝒷𝓎 𝒻ℴ𝓇𝒸ℯ 𝒾𝒻 𝓃ℯ𝒸ℯ𝓈𝓈𝒶𝓇𝓎.

      this was a struggle but ran it through a word processor, its a great quote and when most of the world have failed to stand by, many have also forgotten or never knew. sadly guns now have a political agenda strapped to them and i wish they didn’t

      spoiler

      “Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary”

      ― Karl Marx** **:::

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    It’s never been about left and right. It’s always been a war with the owner class and everyone else.

    We occasionally forget; until everything falls apart and greed ruins everything. That’s when the fight starts again.

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    True story for Americans: You should exercise your 2nd Amendment right unless you want only the Right to have guns.

    If you actually listened to the Right’s leaders, they’re openly telling you that you should be picking out your favorite at the shop now.

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      Yeah I’m becoming increasingly nervous with the blue states systematically trying to disarm everyone and the red states are trying to whip everyone into a traitorous frenzy over the dumbest shit while arming everyone with a pulse.

      Otoh, and this probably sounds absolutely fucking nuts, I’ve found republicans tend to understand “strength” and they are strangely respectful of liberal and leftist gun owners because that’s a dynamic they can comprehend. It’s not a good state of affairs but it’s better than them believing they can just run things because they’re the only ones with “strength”

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        A militia made of a bunch of greasy brainwashed boomers would be put down in a couple days at most, even if it consisted of the entire population of republicans.

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          They won’t be a regular army doing regular army stuff like taking land and stuff. They would be like the Taliban. How did that go again for the US? The Troubles were no picnic, look it up.

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          A militia made of a bunch of greasy brainwashed boomers

          Put down by whom? The vast majority of the military and police force is right leaning. The would be ideologically compliant with the “greasy brainwashed boomers” they’d be putting down. If all the people who were trained on how to fight are on the “other” team… There’s going to be a clear winner.

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            If the military and police are the right leaning ones who agree with the greasy brainwashed boomers, I’d think more that said military and police are the major problem in that circumstance, and not the greasy brainwashed boomers.

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          It would be an insane mistake to underestimate that group. Like the other comments said, they are the Taliban and the military/police. However even if they somehow weren’t, it still means we have potentially tens of millions of domestic terrorists running around armed to the teeth and that’s not a great feeling.

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          Would you really be down with dipshits like the proud boys and 3%ers acting like brownshirts and pulling a modern day krystallnacht? They already did a thing pretty damn close to the Reichstag Fire back in the beginning of 2021, and that crowd was not, shall we say, our best and brightest. You don’t have to be smart to be a thug.

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    Ah, the classic “U” argument, that the fringes of the right and left are the same. It’s a cute but damaging myth.

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      Ok I hate all of this.

      They’re not the same, but they’re kind of the same personality type. They frequently care about the same things, they just want very aggressive change to fix them. The issue is the path to get there and those are wildly different in terms of what the problem is and the underlying world view.

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      The horseshoe theory is a bullshit idea cooked up by politically deficient liberals to cope with everyone thinking they’re a joke

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    WTF is with her nails? Is painting each hand a different color a thing with the kids now? Also those are claws but I’ve seen that before IRL.

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      Painting nails different colors has always been a thing lol

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        Those whippersnappers and their differently colored nails, unbelievable! That’s what’s wrong with society!

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      Her left hand is red and her right is blue. Perhaps to demonstrate how politics works for the unknowing?