Seems to imply that even smaller subs being closed could be generating a noticeable impact on Reddit’s long-term advertising. Would suggest that these strikes will have an impact if they go on longer. I’m unsure honestly, trying to listen with an open mind but this at least seems like an actual attempt at looking at the situation as opposed to anyone saying ‘this is dumb, won’t do anything so there’s no point.’
That said, I’m still sympathetic to those who say they want the sub back. I do too! Locking out my favorite place on Reddit has been very obnoxious—but I voted to keep it closed and re-vote again with more info on Monday.
I really wish I’d used contest mode instead of a poll. Some people were upset and confused about the result, but I really do want to do whatever the majority of the community who’s engaged enough to vote about it prefers.
I have my own opinions of course, but I’m trying to be realistic. I don’t think shutting down communities permanently is a good approach, and completely moving a community to a new place never quite works. I don’t plan to move away from Reddit entirely and will continue to participate as long as there’s a friendly community there and old.reddit remains usable.
I do, however believe Lemmy is a better approach than Reddit going forward, and I will be de-emphasizing Reddit in some ways TBD.
How would contest mode have improved the outcome? Right now this whole vote feels like a sham, as the mods didn’t like how it was going so they skewed the results by adding two opinions together. If you don’t want to be there anymore I encourage you to seek out someone else to take your spot instead of just restricting the community and walking away.
Contest mode would have improved the outcome because it is possible to vote on every option, so the vote is not split between similar options.
If I wanted to run a poll where people can only pick one option and make sure option B wins even if option A might be more popular, I could do this:
A
A, but slightly different
B
I realized I had done exactly that by accident so I changed it the best way I could think of at the time.
Nobody intends to restrict the community and walk away. As long as the community is restricted, there will be a poll at least weekly. In the mean time, welcome to Lemmy. It’s smaller, but growing, and we have fun stuff like comments with direct image uploads.
I want to say that most would agree with how you ended up doing the poll, but this is clearly a pretty polarizing issue for the entirety of Reddit. I do hope that most members of the community can at least give you the benefit of the doubt considering the time and effort you’ve put into keeping the sub a beneficial and helpful place.
At any rate, we’re only looking at a few more days and then another round of voting and it sounds like you’ve figured out how to run a better poll next time. I know I appreciate you and Zeroair—and now you and Adair, looks like—for working to keep up with a place to discuss and learn about the hobby.
Are you/they planning to add them together against the “stay open” option again too? From what your saying the “open” option would have won already in the previous vote.
Regardless, leaving the community restricted with a vote will lead to less folks caring about the sub over time and eventually it dying off. There’s about 175k folks there vs about 400-ish here - this place isn’t the answer to putting a quality sub on life support.
You don’t know how I wanted the poll to go. It absolutely wasn’t clear how it would go at the time of the edit; about 150 votes had been cast at the time compared to an eventual 2200.
I agree with the way you handled the results. I was in favor of reopening the sub, but after trying Lemmy, I’d be fine with staying here, as long as the old sub is available for reference. There’s a wealth of information in there.
You should ignore the children. Their reddit addiction is getting to them and no matter how you explain it, they will just keep having tunnel vision.
I don’t think there is any difference between Restricted and Private. Both are achieving the same thing for the current purpose (zero activity), so adding those 2 up makes sense. If no one can see that, then it’s best to not waste time in trying to explain it to them.
Well, now the “reopen” supporters are complaining about contest mode… there’s no pleasing bots. Ether way, whether the community splits or not, I’ll be on both as long as Reddit is still usable and as long as I can find an apolitical Lemmy instance. (I do wish this community was founded on a better instance, but I’m still going to post here as long as I can find one that’s welcoming.)
May get buried in this little bit older post, but I did see this discussion going on over at r/modcoord.
https://reddit.com/r/ModCoord/comments/149apf9/campaigns_have_notched_slightly_lower_impression/
Seems to imply that even smaller subs being closed could be generating a noticeable impact on Reddit’s long-term advertising. Would suggest that these strikes will have an impact if they go on longer. I’m unsure honestly, trying to listen with an open mind but this at least seems like an actual attempt at looking at the situation as opposed to anyone saying ‘this is dumb, won’t do anything so there’s no point.’
That said, I’m still sympathetic to those who say they want the sub back. I do too! Locking out my favorite place on Reddit has been very obnoxious—but I voted to keep it closed and re-vote again with more info on Monday.
I really wish I’d used contest mode instead of a poll. Some people were upset and confused about the result, but I really do want to do whatever the majority of the community who’s engaged enough to vote about it prefers.
I have my own opinions of course, but I’m trying to be realistic. I don’t think shutting down communities permanently is a good approach, and completely moving a community to a new place never quite works. I don’t plan to move away from Reddit entirely and will continue to participate as long as there’s a friendly community there and old.reddit remains usable.
I do, however believe Lemmy is a better approach than Reddit going forward, and I will be de-emphasizing Reddit in some ways TBD.
How would contest mode have improved the outcome? Right now this whole vote feels like a sham, as the mods didn’t like how it was going so they skewed the results by adding two opinions together. If you don’t want to be there anymore I encourage you to seek out someone else to take your spot instead of just restricting the community and walking away.
Contest mode would have improved the outcome because it is possible to vote on every option, so the vote is not split between similar options.
If I wanted to run a poll where people can only pick one option and make sure option B wins even if option A might be more popular, I could do this:
I realized I had done exactly that by accident so I changed it the best way I could think of at the time.
Nobody intends to restrict the community and walk away. As long as the community is restricted, there will be a poll at least weekly. In the mean time, welcome to Lemmy. It’s smaller, but growing, and we have fun stuff like comments with direct image uploads.
I want to say that most would agree with how you ended up doing the poll, but this is clearly a pretty polarizing issue for the entirety of Reddit. I do hope that most members of the community can at least give you the benefit of the doubt considering the time and effort you’ve put into keeping the sub a beneficial and helpful place.
At any rate, we’re only looking at a few more days and then another round of voting and it sounds like you’ve figured out how to run a better poll next time. I know I appreciate you and Zeroair—and now you and Adair, looks like—for working to keep up with a place to discuss and learn about the hobby.
Thanks. I’ve definitely gained some additional respect for the people who run real elections.
I’d vote for you.
Are you/they planning to add them together against the “stay open” option again too? From what your saying the “open” option would have won already in the previous vote.
Regardless, leaving the community restricted with a vote will lead to less folks caring about the sub over time and eventually it dying off. There’s about 175k folks there vs about 400-ish here - this place isn’t the answer to putting a quality sub on life support.
No. Why would I do that? Since contest mode allows voting for multiple options, that would result in some people getting two votes.
See here for why the two protest options were combined.
Because it happened last time when the poll didn’t go as you wanted. I’m sure you understand many having skepticism about this.
You don’t know how I wanted the poll to go. It absolutely wasn’t clear how it would go at the time of the edit; about 150 votes had been cast at the time compared to an eventual 2200.
I agree with the way you handled the results. I was in favor of reopening the sub, but after trying Lemmy, I’d be fine with staying here, as long as the old sub is available for reference. There’s a wealth of information in there.
You should ignore the children. Their reddit addiction is getting to them and no matter how you explain it, they will just keep having tunnel vision.
I don’t think there is any difference between Restricted and Private. Both are achieving the same thing for the current purpose (zero activity), so adding those 2 up makes sense. If no one can see that, then it’s best to not waste time in trying to explain it to them.
It feels kind of telling reading your responses. If you wanted it open you would have gone with the option that got the most votes:" open back up".
Well, now the “reopen” supporters are complaining about contest mode… there’s no pleasing bots. Ether way, whether the community splits or not, I’ll be on both as long as Reddit is still usable and as long as I can find an apolitical Lemmy instance. (I do wish this community was founded on a better instance, but I’m still going to post here as long as I can find one that’s welcoming.)
Moving to a new site can work really well. After all reddit grew when people abandoned digg. And even though BLF is more active now CPF still exists.
Good point. Let’s make Reddit the new Digg by moving to Lemmy!