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        As much as I don’t like window I want to see it get better :)

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          Windows is very lazy about reboots. Minesweeper changed? Better reboot.

          Chrome also got infected with this laziness. It used to be that you had to restart chrome once a month, now it’s almost every day. Among many other reasons, that’s why I’m happy to be using Firefox again.

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        Ubuntu has live patching free for personal use built right in. It’s not exactly a niche thing.

        (I don’t bother on most machines because I reboot my laptops every day anyway, but you know; nice for servers and whatnot).

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      The chrome OS is method is pretty cool having a mirrored partitions the one not being used gets updated if there’s an error the other one gets booted and reverted

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    I remember some years ago there was a “malware” going around that would flash OpenWRT onto people’s routers, and set them to have more secure default settings.

    There should be another thing like that, but one that upgrades Windows into a Linux distro.

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      Yeah Linux is fun, until it breaks a week or two later. I’ll stick with windows, because it never breaks.

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        Windows never breaks? Uhhhhh, that’s definitely not true. When I have to use Windows, I brace myself every time I have to update.

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          When did you last use windows, lol? Windows is pretty damn stable nowadays. I don’t think an update has ever broken my windows 10 install that is still going from 2016.

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            I’ve gotten a number of calls from clients recently where a Windows update uninstalled the Bluetooth drivers, making their Bluetooth mouse and keyboard unusable.

            I’ve even had a few where an update uninstalled the WiFi drivers so they couldn’t even download the drivers without a wired network connection.

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              Windows 10 & 11comes pre-packaged with generic wifi and bluetooth drivers that work with the vast majority of the common chipsets.

              If a device has forgotten which driver it has, re-aasining the generic driver should be enough to get you operational enough to go grab any advanced drivers for extended device functionality.

              Also, as an FYI, I had a fleet (~150) of decommissioned machines (probabaly 20-30 different model over 5 makes) I was converting into a Linux(Deb) distrubuted node automation farm. The amount of times I had to go find drivers (network interfaces were the cost common) that supported the hardware that Linux didn’t have default driver support for was prevelant. That was a very long 2 weeks.

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                that supported the hardware that Linux didn’t have default driver support for

                Curious as to which distro you were using?

                (Yeah, I know, but please, humor me.)

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          It’s been about four years since windows broke on me enough to do a reinstall. Linux lasts a month with me being gentle.

          It’s a no brainer.

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            I run arch BTW, 7 years throwing it down stairs, running commands that I had no idea what they did, learned linux from scratch deleting chunks of my hdd compiling and installing random software, never once had it break bad enough to reinstall . I bet you love ltt too haha… maby you should stick to a beginner os like Windows, I’ve heard Apple is even easier… or why don’t you just pay someone smarter than you to host and troubleshoot your os while they market your info and habits to the highest bidder… oh wait

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          He must be deleting all the weird files on the c drive. I better empty the recycle bin sudo rm -rf /bin

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        Been running Arch on my work laptop for over a year. Still waiting for the fabled difficulty and update breaks. Starting to think in modern times its perpetuated to keep people on Windows.

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          Must be nice. It’s been about seven years since I last dove into Linux, so maybe things have changed. But also in that time, windows became even more stable than it was, and it’s silky smooth these days.

          I don’t see any benefits to even trying Linux again.

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            “Please sign into your microsoft account to continue.” After entering my PIN.
            Ads in the greeter.
            lightdm-gtk-greeter does neither of these things.

            Ads in my menu along “news and interests”
            dmenu simply searches my applications.

            Don’t even get me started on the themes either.

            Now that proton has brought steam into the mix windows no longer makes sense for gaming rigs, only office chuds who think computers are magic.

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        Linux breaking depends on mostly 2 thing:

        1. The user. Depending on what they try to do, it can easily break Linux. (looking at me somehow breaking KDE Plasma and somehow fixing it without understanding how it broke or how I fixed it)

        2. Updating (from what I understand, mostly a big issue on rolling release distros like Arch or Manjaro). Bleeding edge software with major bugs the stable release don’t get can always cause instability.

        Though, I will say, that I’ve never had win10 crash on me unless I have too much stuff open or am being an absolute idiot. Windows always seems to be stable, at least I’ve never had issues for a long time.

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          Let’s be honest though. I’m a big fan of Linux/Unix systems, but if (not saying that’s necessarily the case) a normal user can break their installation by being a normal user, it’s not suited for normal users.
          Windows is a pain in the ass imo, but pretty hard for a normal user to break in my experience.

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        Lol, I see what you did here.

        I may start doing this as well… I’m SO tired of every post about Windows being flooded with Linux supremecists.

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      Oh cool, I guess I don’t need to play all my favorite games… Most is just as good right?

      You Linux Uber fans are too much sometimes.

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        Sometimes people just don’t think about that people can have different wants and needs.

        All, literally every game I want to play runs great in Linux, and my hobbies of self hosting, development, homelabbing, and data hoarding are all leagues better on it.

        That doesn’t make a good choice for my friend that only logs on to play destiny 2. It also doesn’t matter why, to my friend, its a bad choice. It could be the devs are chained and lashed by Microsoft for even mentioning Linux in the office, but what matters to someonethatt only wants to play that game with friends is whether it works.

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          Steam has ~30 million users per day. Windows has over 1.5 billion installs.

          Gamers really over value themselves.

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    Had a movie stop playing the other week (I use my PC as a Jellyfin server and watch on a Nvidia Shield in another room). I thought something had crashed, but when I went upstairs to check, it had realised nobody was watching it and fucking rebooted.

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          I use a Manjaro box to game on. And video edit with davinci resolve. And so everything else that I do. Truenas for my NAS.

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        It’s really not a good idea to have a home server you don’t update, assuming it’s accessible outside your network.

        Windows updates suck, but they can be delayed to only take place every 6-8 weeks.

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        Or use Windows server. It would never do shit like that.

        Alternatively you could just not postpone updates for weeks.

        Just update your computers and this will never happen.

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          Pure curiosity, I don’t own VR gear, does the Linux steam version not have VR?

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              A Steamlink app was added to the Meta store recently. It supposedly allows playing streamed desktop VR. I have been meaning to try it with Steam on my Linux desktop, so I can’t really vouch for it yet, it could just not work. And who knows if Proton works for any specific VR games.

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      It seems like Microsoft is going through a real phase of “I made this” and they’re adding all these features that were core to Linux since damn near Linux’s inception.

      Multiple desktop instances, sudo (which isn’t the same sudo…), and now trying to mimic the rebootless update.

      Embrace, Extend, Extinguish when?

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        Um… they’re an OS adding more OS features. Get over yourself, EEE is a real thing but holy fuck stop it.

        (WSL is concerning EEE-wise, literally nothing else you listed is a valid complaint)

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    Even if Windows does this, trust me, if you have any Razer products, Razer will fill in the gaps for them.

    That shit restarts my Windows machine nearly every fucking day.

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      I love that the Razer installer pops up during windows intital setup. Seriously, chill out Razer, I don’t want to sign in to you while I’m bypassing the Microsoft forced sign in.

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        It looks like you changed the position of your mouse cursor. Would you like to reboot to apply these changes?

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      This is an odd comment. I use a Razer keyboard and mouse and I’ve never experienced this. What products are you using?

      Edit: Thi said, I HATE how Razer and Nvidia make you sign in to update things. Like, REALLY hate that. They even force two factor on us. Like… Why the fuck do I care about account security for either of those?

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        You can update Razer by signing in as Guest and not actually logging in. I think it is the same with Nvidia. They just eant you to think you need to log in.

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          I didn’t looking it that much, but while “continue as guest” is a prominent option in Razer Synapse, I was unable to get GeForce Experience to let me install updates without signing in.

          It’s whatever though, you can install and update to relatively recent Nvidia drivers with the CUDA winget package. Now that I think about it, around 95% of my Windows software is installed through winget these days. I’m a big fan.

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            I run a main box that I still dual-boot between Linux and Windows, and the rest of my boxes are Linux. I’m definitely skeptical of Microsoft’s drive in adding these tools other than to try to unseat Linux dominance in server settings, but for real, some of the stuff they’ve been adding is pretty tits, like winget for example.

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              I don’t think there are malicious intentions behind winget. Aside from the fact that it’s objectively useless for server configuration, Windows Server lost to Linux in terms of performance per dollar a long time ago. The target use case for winget seems to have been spinning up new employee PCs, but I’m not confident that it would be wise to use it for that.

              It’s also shockingly simple for a package manager. Nearly all of the “packages” simply download the software’s installer from the official website and silently execute it. You can see (and add to) all of the package configs here. It’s literally a GitHub monorepo lmao

              Edit: here is the one for Steam, for example. The whole thing is 63 lines of yaml.

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    I used to want this, but the latest updates of windows have all been so buggy. I’d prefer to not have this shit happen in mid usage. They once fucked up the search by accident and it was disrupting enough to my workflow until I found ways to disable the search being a default web search.

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      It looks like it’s just security updates, not feature updates. So I would take this as a win. If a 0-day is discovered, being able to update systems to fix it without a restart is fantastic. I know plenty of people who avoid restarting their computer if they see the update icon in their system tray. If we are talking security, these people could be leaving themselves vulnerable for days/weeks. Being able to push security patches without restarts is a big win.

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    So in other words the

    HI WE ARE GETTING THINGS READY FOR YOU

    Screen can just pop whever it wants for 20 minutes at a time without warning? Yay…

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      I know people don’t want to hear it anymore because it’s beating a dead horse, but… Linux.

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        Honestly not being able to move the start bar and being told it won’t be changed because their awful new start menu needs it that way was a dealbreaker. Been running Linux Mint exclusively on my desktop for the past few months and it’s been pretty smooth, even for playing games. Thank goodness for Proton!

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          Yup. Been using Linux as my primary desktop for years, I think I switched back to windows 2012-2015 or something, then I came back ever since. More and more games are using tools that are cross platform now too - like unity for example. I only imagine compatibility getting better. The installation experience has been better since live CDs were a thing too which is hilarious since windows still has a terrible install UI.

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        I’ve been using both OSs for over 20 years and the ONLY reason I use windows is for CAD (just 2d). All the foss options have potential but are very poor options for a longtime autocad user. Wine implementation is currently broken/terrible. VM is sorta a fallback option but doesn’t run as fast as a native windows machine.

        I plan on switching to Librecad or something similar but it’s like a 10/20 year plan and something tells me I’ll have to develop the features I want myself.

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      I don’t think those words describe what the intended behavior is, no. I think it’s supposed to be seamless and not really too noticeable. That’s the impression I got from the article anyway.

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      I took it to mean ittk update things in the back round like Linux can which is nice.

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    Microsoft have done this previously and shelved it because their method had enormous security issues.

    I don’t see this going well for them.

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      Isn’t it possible they could learn from their mistakes? Just playing devil’s advocate here.

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    It keeps trying. I keep denying it.

    I would far rather pay a fee for an OS, like I did for every computer I built up to Win 7, and not have to deal with M$oft’s BS and ad-pushing.

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    This was the pipe dream for many many years now. Not the first time MS is talking about it either.

    It’s a thing in the Linux world and it’s just too costly to support and therefore most user facing distros outright don’t support it.

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    Didn’t they say the same when they were developing windows 10? I don’t believe it’s gonna happen.

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    So they are going back to the way Linux does it since forever?

    Why not just go image based? Instant reboots and even faster updates.

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    Cant upgrade to 11, since my motherboard is too old. So reap what you sow, perhaps ?

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      Your motherboard? Does windows 11 care about that?. I thought it mostly cared about CPU.

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        Yep but in my case my motherboard is from 2013 that uses cpu sockets that haven’t been produced anymore