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About the only way we’re going to actually have a democracy is if they consistently lose elections. That’s going to mean volunteering, donating, and actually turning out to vote
Posobiec, who helped popularize the “Pizzagate” conspiracy theory, appeared at CPAC’s opening day on Wednesday. He spoke during a panel moderated by former White House adviser and white supremacist Steve Bannon.
They’re not sending their brightest, folks. Many such examples.
Seriously though, I didn’t have a pizzagate guy openly advocating fascism at CPAC on my doomsday bingo card, yet here we are.
There’s a non-zero chance that they actually are sending their brightest.
And that their brightest are as retarded as these retards.
Hey big dog, we don’t use the R word anymore. It was hard for me, man. Seriously. I slipped just a cpl wks ago. Personally, now I just use expletives to send the message home, e. g., fucking morons, total fucking idiots, shit for brains dumbass fuckface, etc. If you’re worried about soap in your mouth, perhaps, jabronis, jackass, schmuck face, imbecile.
I think we can all realize that this man is stating that these people are slowing the progress of society and attempting to retard it’s progress not disparaging the less capable en mass. I really think you should look into the etymology of some of your other suggestions.
This is the “and swastikas are used in Hinduism” argument. Anyone who works with people whose actual medical diagnosis is “mental retardation” will tell you that using that word to insult others is more an insult to the disabled, and should be discarded.
“These retards” doesn’t mean “these slowing the progress of society persons.” You know that. This is a reactionary excuse for a negative behavior easily altered with minor effort.
Moron: in psychology and psychiatry to denote mild intellectual disability. The term was closely tied with the American eugenics movement
Idiot: in legal and psychiatric contexts for some kinds of profound intellectual disability where the mental age is two years or less, and the person cannot guard themself against common physical dangers.
Imbecile: in psychiatrist contexts is used to denote a category of people with moderate to severe intellectual disability.
Are you really taking the high road here by using outdated terminology that’s more demeaning that the more modern replacement.
We have, right now, in our care, men and women in their 40s, 50s, 60s and above whose real honest-to-God documentation states that their disability is “severe mental retardation.” Is the language outdated by our current standard? Yes, but our system will not be taking them in for reevaluation when there isn’t any benefit to be had to either those people or their caregivers.
We will not have alternative terminology for people who will never be reevaluated. Mental retardation is their diagnosis, and you’re the mean little prick trying to justify using a diagnosis as an insult when it costs you literally nothing to pick a different invective. You’re trying to seem so intelligent- use better, more creative language instead. Or don’t. I’m not your mother.
But you’ll likely continue to face pushback for this until either our older population (the real people with this real diagnosis) all die, and the word does become completely outdated, or until you lobby for legislation to have each and every person with this diagnosis reclassified based on current medical knowledge, regardless of it’s benefit, just so you can use their disability as a swear.
And they can hire the most intelligent sociopaths money can buy
"We didn’t get all the way there on January 6, but we will endeavor to get rid of it and replace it with this, right here,” he said, gesturing to the crowd and holding up his fist.
Isn’t it the way to get some alphabet agency on your ass? Dude doesn’t only speak Jan 6 was a coup, he encourage people to do it again.
Some of those who work forces…
… Are actually miniature horses? (I heard miniature horses are pretty racist)
Sir this is a conservative oligarchy not a Wendy’s. Rules are only for anyone we declare to be too far left.
FBI would be the ones with jurisdiction, and they are mostly right wing. There’s never been a director of the FBI that wasn’t registered Republican. That should tell you just how likely they are to take this threat seriously.
FBI are cheering along at home, let’s be real. That organization has some some heinous shit in the service of white supremacy.
Well, if he was, say, a Black progressive saying such things, it would be something to get an alphabet agency looking into it, maybe even a visit from an agency, and actually cancelled nearly everywhere.
But, IOKIYAR.
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Republicans are criminals, cheaters, liars and traitors.
And I have proof, just watch and listen to everything they do.
They HATE America and want to rule it with a sick 2000 year old genocidal religion.
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I wouldn’t say it’s a either or thing. I’d say they’re equally genocidal.
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“Some people say” that support for the Palestinian genocide in America is largely due to christo-fascism.
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Um, ever hear of Abraham? Ethnic Jews are exactly as “white” as ethnic Palestinians.
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It’s absolutely not. This is your post 9/11 bias showing. Islam, historically has been less genocidal than Christianity.
Much of the colonization of Africa, the Americas, and other regions was done in the name of Christianity, through that there were many genocides of indigenous peoples. Many wars were fought over the flavor of Christianity after the reformation.
Religion, in general, causes people to do vile things. But Christianity has more blood on its hands than Islam.
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Hurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr my anecdotal experience outweighs objective historyyyyy
(Just clarifying I am not denying the Armenian genocide but seriously this person is so off base it’s just incredible they can still breathe, Christianity is basically the driving force behind an unbelievably high amount of deaths and the death toll has never stopped going up)
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They are obviously referencing objective history.
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Doesn’t change the facts dipshit, they never once said Islam was innocent and did nothing wrong
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I am not saying Islam did not result in genocide. I am not denying the armenian genocide. All I am saying is, you can’t say Islam has caused more genocide than Christianity. Islam has a lot of blood on its hands too, religion in general does.
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There are many different flavors of Christianity just like there are many different flavors of Islam. Each flavor has its own set of doctrines that they apply to themselves. None of those different flavors can claim to be the true flavor. Defining a religion by just one of its flavors is misguided and wrong.
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Judging a group of people by one of its members is wrong, it’s the same form of prejudice.
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In order to prove this you would need a huge sample poll from each religion and it would need to be representative of the size of each flavor. Then and only then could you begin to make that kind of generalized statement.
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“Religion A is less genocidal than Religion B”. This is a supremely futile argument to make.
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Yeah, we all know that atheists have killed more people that all religions combined.
Just to jump back in and be more unpopular… ALL Abrahamic religions are evolved from each other. Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are the holy trinity.
Parts of the Torah are in the Old Testament and the Koran.
People will be shocked that the stories are slightly edited versions of the same line of mythology.
None of them are “better”. They all promote control and hatred.
None of these religions are helping people or society. They are only helping themselves to money, power, control and a larger cult following.
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I remember someone studying Koran vs. “the” bible and showing that even the text is more genocidal than the Koran. This was on NPR some number of years ago; pretty easy to find. Of course, apologists for xtianity and/or “Judeo-Xtian values” (lol), will not want to hear this.
Of course, all three Abrahamic religions are tied to “the” bible, so I’m not sure it’s all that relevant, but…definitely a lot of xtians need to know.
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Well, I’d appreciate it if you retract such statements like I’m lying, talking out of my ass, etc. What I was talking about is completely a thing, as you can see from the link.
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Isn’t this what the second amendment is actually for?
The second amendment tells you what it’s for - militias. But what are militias for? The constitution tells us that too.
Article I, Section 8, Clause 15: [The Congress shall have Power . . . ] To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions.
So, no, the second amendment is about a system to suppress insurrections, not commit them. You’ve been lied to.
We have revolutions every 2-4 years. Insurrections are not about the will of the people, they are about subverting the will of the people.
I didn’t think the commenter above was referring to arming the insurrectionists…
Not even close, but It’s my fault. I’m really bad at articulating my thoughts sometimes, and usually end up deleting my comments before someone calls me out on it. Sorry!
Hahaha you’re self aware and acknowledge you’re fallible, no need to apologize to anyone
That also infers your militia has to be one that can be called up and thus that Congress can declare who is and is not a member of a militia.Edit - nvm that requires like three leaps of logic not accounted for. Don’t post before coffee kids!
It’s so nice to see someone correct themselves. I try to show my kid accepting when you’re wrong and acknowledging it. With friends I’ve been espousing the last Marc Maron where he’s like “what happened to regular stupid?.. ‘oh my bad, I’m an idiot, that’s totally wrong, sorry about that’” … ffs you can’t learn anything new if you don’t listen to other ideas and get defensive.
And the way the winds blowing is why the #1 demographic for first time firearm purchasers throughout covid has been liberals.
I used to get scared to talk about weed on the phone. You don’t disparage a public figure with a hint of violence for fear…
How TF is this not enough to lock these motherfuckers up? This is the God damn United States of America and these treasonists are threatening our government. Fuck “soft Democrats” - this isn’t about policy. These criminals are promising a coup against our democracy. Why aren’t they in jail? I’m seriously asking. Where the fuck is law enforcement???
There are a bunch of Supreme Court rulings which basically said the KKK can advocate for violence in general so long as they don’t lay out specifics. That’s what these folks hide behind
Holy shit. When was that??
The biggie is Brandenburg vs Ohio, from 1969
Where that really falls down is when you have social media algorithms selectively showing inflammatory speech to the audience most likely to act on it. This means that inflammatory speech which wouldn’t have caused violence in the 1960s is incredibly likely to do so now.
Right. Law enforcement, defenders of democracy.
Of their own livelihood 🤷
Can’t even count on the evil conventions of days past anymore dag nabbit
Jail is just right-winger free parking until the next putsch, law enforcement is mostly on their side.
Ugh I hate how right you are. I just assumed federal agencies were above it bc of their black/white sociopathic by design ways.
what laws have you seen being enforced lately? literally none that matter.
I don’t fucking understand this. The old right wingers in govt like the world order in the “new American century” so why aren’t they doing anything?
“But what about mah FREEZED PEACH?” -Nazis, all the time
Whoosh eli5 please
Time to start killing fascists.
Italian here, sometimes I wonder why we ever stopped, it should be an ongoing thing
So when will we be seeing you on the news?
Do you just go around trying to pick fights with everyone?
No thanks. :)
The speed you went from “let’s kill fascists” to “let’s run away from a fight on the internet” was genuinely funny.
Actual people are in actual danger and all you can offer is bullshit bravado, puffing your chest out and pretending you’d kill people.
It’s worse than doing nothing.
Republicans, the party of treason.
“That probably sounded better in the original German.” – Molly Ivins.
These idiots probably only associate democracy with democrats so they cheer
No, they know exactly what they’re cheering for.
they certainly think they do. they will be horrified, but it’ll be too late.
Conservatives are not intelligent enough to be horrified. They will try to rationalize and justify the new reality they have caused for the remainder of their less-than-valuable lives.
Not really. It’s not like we’re going to get a left wing dictatorship. It’ll be a civil war or a white terror. These people, the ones who attend cpac, benefit from a white terror and would like for it to happen.
They want to take power and do whatever they want with no consequences or input from the other half of the country, and they don’t care if it will only last a year or two before they realize that now that they gave all that power to corrupt overlords they have no ability to revoke it as soon as leadership starts doing things they don’t like.
Wonder what they’d do if we started proclaiming and raucously celebrating “The End of the Republic”.
Lmao I can imagine some of them are thinking democracy = democrats.
I’ll take him at his word. I don’t doubt he’d follow through with what he’s saying.
But also the headline sucks. He has a heavy sarcasm to his voice like he’s mocking liberal’s and the media’s portrayal of him and “rabid cheers” isn’t how I would describe the sound of the reaction in the video.
Yeah this is the same kind of thing they did at another one of these events in the past with the whole “Ladies and gentlemen, we are all domestic terrorists.” thing. It was meant as a joke to make fun of what the liberals were saying but at the same time it wasn’t entirely inaccurate.
How the fuck is this a thing
They want a crowd and they cheer the thrill of battle. Because they believe they are on the right side.
I still can’t understand how the political left could accept that their opponents dub themselves “right”. Do they not understand that “right” also means “correct”? It’s a marketing failure from the get go, regardless of etymology. We should start calling the political right something different, like “wrong”. Or “party of assholes”. Change my view.
All that’s left … crumbs.
It’s always left to right, like reading. So we could be like Liberals are 1 and the right is a stinky number 2 that’s clogged up the democracy.
Well they’re certainly not on the left
Great. Lock em up.
Does anyone have a link to this actual speech, whenever I hear something this damning, I assume something is wildly out of context.
Here you go.
LIVE REPLAY: CPAC Day Two 4:48:38
edit: never mind, that is his CPAC speech where he promises to destroy to democracy
edit: People only seem to be reporting on the clip linked in the article that was of the panel in that conference room. There doesn’t seem to be a recording of the entire panel online currently.
Ok he did say it verbatim but it sounds like he’s being sarcastic.
Edit: y’all I never said that this was a responsible example of a politician communicating with the public.
He’s not being sarcastic. He’s artificially injecting sarcasm into his voice so he can say what he really believes. He wants to jail Democrats and pardon the insurrectionists. He defines everything that is beneficial about our society as evil. He’s talks like he lives in alternate reality. He wants to tear down our liberal democracy and replace it with a christofascist dictatorship. It’s not a joke.
It’s time to stop giving these guys a free pass when they say they’re just joking or speak in a sarcastic way. These people are unironically telling you what they want to do. Believe them when they say they want to destroy our democracy.
He’s not being sarcastic. He’s artificially injecting sarcasm into his voice so he can say what he really believes.
Say what? Did you watch your own video? Because I followed your link, watched it for ~3min, and he is clearly 100% being sarcastic. Not just in tone of voice, it’s clear from the content. No doubt about it. When laying out his “plan to destroy democracy” it’s a laundry list of points from the stop-the-steal bullshit. Among that:
- Ban paper ballots
- Replace with mail-in voting and dropboxes
- Remove election day
- No voter-ID requirements
- Arrest opposition leader 4 times (this is a Trump reference)
- Imprison protesters who don’t like democracy being abolished (January 6th reference)
- Flood the nation with millions of “invaders” to vote in their favour
All things the Republicans accused the Democrats of doing during the 2020 election. Then he ends with saying:
This is their “democracy” [doing air-quotes]. This is the regime we will overturn. They say democracy but they mean authoritarianism, and we know it.
I mean the guy went off the deep end and is obviously insane, but there is simply no doubt that he was being sarcastic here and that the measures he cites are not his actual plan. A Republican letting millions of people into the country voluntarily should have given it away to even the densest of viewers.
It is absolutey insane how hard it is to find one reasonable comment on Lemmy these days. ‘Naturally gifted’ density or willful ignorance, either way, there’s an impressive amount of people that believe he was speaking from the heart because it confirms their own beliefs.
I understand the start of his speech where he says “this is my plan” is his idea of a joke. He’s not saying he’s going to do those things, he’s saying the Democrats have already done those things. But he really believes that the Democrats have done those things or that the beneficial things the Democrats have done are evil. Sorry I didn’t think I needed to be this explicit.
He does want to destroy our democracy though. He wants a christofascist dictatorship. He talks about making a “new American Republic” out of the ashes and retribution. He wants to pardon the Jan 6 rioters. He wants to lock up political opponents in the Democratic Party. They want to replace everyone in the white house with partisan yes men, a plan called Project 2025.
Sorry, I didn’t do a good job explaining this the first time around.
And I understand that you understand the joke. I understand that Posobiec and the far right are nuts and believe the Democrats have already done what he’s joking about. You didn’t need to be that explicit, and you don’t have to type “Sorry, I didn’t think I needed to be that explicit” in every reply to make yourself feel superior either. You’re not apologizing, you’re still on a high horse. I don’t even necessarily disagree with you but I took issue with your responses.
Sorry, I should have been more explicit. My bad. All the things he lists are the alternate reality he lives in. He really believes the Democrats have done those things and thinks the beneficial things the Democrats have done are evil. Like he thinks Democrats have poisoned the blood of our country by letting in immigrants, even though we’re a nation of immigrants, and even though Republicans killed the border bill. He thinks mail in voting is bad, because he wants to suppress voter turn out. That list was him thinking he’s being clever, to paraphrase, “The Democrats have already destroyed our democracy.” He even accuses the Democratic party of being an authoritarian regime, when we know that is what Republicans want on day 1.
When he says he wants to restore our constitutional republic he means he wants to destroy our democracy. Constitutional republic is conservatives code for “we are not a democracy, we have minority rule”. He then accuses us, anyone left of him, all of hating white, straight, “successful people”, when it’s the same group of white straight screw ups that hate all of us. He says we hate our founders, our history, and self made people when, all conservatives do is lie about the founders and history. Most of the founders were Deists, but conservatives insist we are a christian nation. Conservatives say they don’t want activist judges, but then use British law in their opinions to overturn Roe v Wade. The say billionaires are self made success stories, but Elon Musk and billionaires they hate like Bill Gates just inherited a bunch of money.
Do I need to do a full translation of his speech or have I a clarified enough? He wants to destroy democracy. I thought his “joke” was self explanatory too. The commenter I was replying to seem to suggest Republicans don’t want to form a christofascist dictatorship because they’re saying it with a sarcastic tone of voice. Which is nonsense and so 2016, “He’s just trolling”. Does anyone else remember that? Self proclaimed internet trolls got interviewed and proudly explained how they had got Trump elected and were in on the joke. I’m never going to let that kind of rhetoric slide again. edit: typo
Fair enough, but none of that means he wasn’t being sarcastic. Merriam-Webster defines that as “a sharp and often satirical or ironic utterance designed to cut or give pain”, which this clearly was. That is of course not a get-out-of-jail-card for being a dumbass, but he doesn’t intend to abolish (his twisted idea of) democracy.
I mean suppose for a second, just for arguments sake, that the Democratic party did indeed steal the 2020 election and you would have to re-evaluate things like January 6th being an insurrection, because violent resistance against somebody undermining a country’s constitution is legitimate. Which is a stance you might have to take yourself sooner rather than later, especially if Trump wins again.
On a side-note, as a German growing up on copious amounts of Nazi history in school and some TV channels running 24/7 documentaries about them it seems rather clear to me where these MAGA people are headed. Already was in 2016. It’s fascism. But it is important to remember that such movements aren’t as monolithic as they might seem from the outside. There are many people in them who are just high on their own supply of bullshit, and you don’t do yourself any favours by misinterpreting them and fielding arguments which are then easily refuted, doubly so if you are fighting against their confirmation bias.
To be fair though, the article in the OP seems to make that very same mistake.
The comment I replied to was:
Ok he did say it verbatim but it sounds like he’s being sarcastic.
What this implies is, because the speaker said it a certain way, he doesn’t really mean he wants to destroy democracy. I’m saying, no, he clearly does, in the second half of his CPAC speech he describes destroying democracy.
His joke in the first half of the CPAC speech was he said “this is my plan”, listed stuff the Democrats have done, and then the punchline was Democrats have already destroyed democracy. It doesn’t matter how he said it. Many MAGA support believe the Democrats have done those things or that the beneficial things the Democrats have done are evil. He does intended to abolish Democracy as do many MAGA supporters.
If you have an argument that can refute this and demonstrate that the fascists in the Republican party are not trying to build a christofascist dictatorship please share it.
it’s a big part of why bottomfeeder conservatives don’t pick up on sarcasm or any form of linguistic subtlety - they have their own stories they tell themselves about what Don Jesus said after the fact, and don’t need to worry about whether he was being sarcastic to own the libs. The angels don’t use sarcasm, so neither do they, and they certainly don’t expect it from a cheesy poof.
Republicans already tried to end democracy when they tried to stop the transfer of power through violence in the last election.
Now they’re just coming out and saying it “we’re terrorists” and “we’ll end democracy”
This guy: “they’re being sarcastic”.
Bush V. Gore
Poll taxes.
Well he clearly is being sarcastic though. Frankly this whole thread is an affront towards the concept of language comprehension.
“Don the Magic Cloak of Plausible Deniability and come with us!”
Pretending it’s a joke is literally their tactic.
Read the wider context.
They need to dress what they’re very serious about as sarcasm because saying it seriously is a crime.
Delivering something in a sarcastic affect doesn’t necessarily make it a joke if the context doesn’t support it.
There’s nothing funny about calling insurrectionists “martyrs”, having a written plan about how they’ll gut the government, seeing how they behave in states where they have complete control where they have actually gutted the possibility of anyone else coming to power.
None of that supports this as a joke.
“Don the Magic Cloak of Plausible Deniability and come with us!”
GP didn’t say these people or this speaker aren’t trying to destroy democracy. GP said they were being sarcastic in this specific video timestamp with the “ending democracy” quote and the context around it.
But nobody in this thread has doubted that the Republicans are anti-democratic in general.
Delivering something in a sarcastic affect doesn’t necessarily make it a joke if the context doesn’t support it.
Well did you actually look at the context in the video? Because if you don’t see that he is being sarcastic there then, no offence, you have no idea what sarcasm is. Or you are hugging your confirmation bias like your life depends on it, which to be fair it actually might. The speech in its entirety is clearly a fascist screed, but that doesn’t mean the beginning of it isn’t sarcastic. And obviously so at that.
Read the wider context.
Yes, context matters. On that we agree. And unless you think he is actually proposing to “flood the nation with millions of invaders [sic] who vote the way we want” then he was being fucking sarcastic there.
And unless you think he is actually proposing to “flood the nation with millions of invaders [sic] who vote the way we want” then he was being fucking sarcastic there.
That is not what I mean when I say he wasn’t being sarcastic. I understand that the joke is he said “this is my plan”, then listed a bunch of things the Democrats did, including when he listed immigration, and then the punchline is the Democrats did those things and have already destroyed democracy. What I mean is that he and MAGA supporters really believe that immigration is the Democrats fault. And that he thinks immigration poisons the blood of our country even though the US is a nation of immigrants and in fact immigration is a net benefit.
When he says, to paraphrase, “I want to destroy democracy” but says it in a sarcastic way, I mean he’s not being sarcastic. He really wants to destroy democracy. He describes destroying democracy in the second part of his CPAC speech.
The facts don’t matter, only the narrative.
Every accusation is a confession.
I see, so the other day when you were accusing me of being disingenuous and splitting hairs, you were confessing that you are disingenuous and split hairs.
While it was obvious, I have to say I’m surprised to hear you admit it.
A leader, like a grifter, should always know how his audience is likely to respond to certain words, regardless of the spin he puts on them. Donald Trump, television personality and renowned wage-withholding, mouth-flapping scumbag, certainly has the experience to know this. To pretend that his delivery is not as much a part of the ruse as the code words themselves - that is, the part that’s for your benefit, rather than theirs - is to ignore what you already know about the man - the lies he’s told, the things he’s done, the way he acts, all of which obviously screams “smarmy creep”. You can predict every argument he makes in court based on what a bone-stupid lying simpleton he is as well, blurting out whatever comes into his head just so there’s a ball in the air he can try to distract you with. He’d be a good stage magician, if stage magic weren’t hard, but it is hard, so you can be assured he’s never tried it. He spent his whole first presidency watching tv.
Ok, well then. He was being sarcastic. I guess the rest of the overall trend of the cons and the Republican Party going ever more extreme, ever more fascist is just cosplay.
A great civilization is not conquered from without until it has destroyed itself from within.
- Will Durant
I first remember that guy for his absolute brutal takedown of the OT god in his Story of Civilization.
