• TheFriar@lemm.ee
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    Capitalism won’t allow us any means to solve the climate crisis unless their motives for profit somehow magically aligned with the climate motive.

    Capitalism is killing us all. And they’re happily watching us fight amongst ourselves over our own “carbon footprint.”

    Break out the guillotines, burn down the banks, upend the system. We don’t have any more time for this shit.

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      So what’s your alternative? I’ve lived in planned economy during the socialist era, and it wasn’t exactly great. You had to have friends telling you when shipments of toilet paper or food would arrive and make it early to the shop - otherwise you got nothing, because someone in the central planning office fucked up again.

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          Hungary, back in the Kádár era. According to my parents, it was way worse before, back in the Rákosi days.

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        The alternative is a cooperation based economy, rather than a competition based one.

        You know, like how the very basics of society work. After all, without cooperation society would never exist.

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        This is a false dichotomy. Also, in the case you haven’t noticed, this sub is part of a solarpunk server. We want solarpunk :)

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      Or maybe we could work a unified coalition of voters around the implementation of a carbon tax, incremented over a period of years, to align those incentives?

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        Lets give the oligarchs another 200 tears. Surely they’ll do the right thing.

        Wake the fuck up. This system is rotten to the bones. Our freedom exists as long as it is in line with their profit. Smoke and fucking mirrors.

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    Bummer. New Mid-range Electric SUVs are 7k usd in China. So most manufacturing seems to be transitioning out of China, but maybe they’ll take over the auto industry next.

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      It’s pretty interesting to look at the options of Chinese EVs for the price. Even considering that it could cost up to $3k to ship a car from China to the USA privately, and the 27% tariff, it’s still pretty damn cheap compared to most EV options in the USA. You could possibly have a brand new electric SUV for about $12k

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      Low quality cars heavily subsidized by the government are not exactly valid comparison. We do need to force manufacturers to lower their profits though. Current prices of electric cars are more than 50% pure greed.

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        American “high quality” cars have their roofs and doors falling off, so it’s a pretty valid comparison. Pay 50,000 USD, your door handles don’t work, your roof might fall off and you aren’t allowed to fix anything yourself.

        Also, I’m in China right now, and these are not “low quality” electric cars. The BYD mid-range SUVs I’m talking about match the range and quality manufacture of Teslas and bolts I’ve been in. You’ll need to back that statement up with very current articles and evidence.

        They have cheaper ones too, like 3k US, work fine, and are compacts.

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    The Chevy Bolt starts at $26,500

    even though it’s the most affordable electric car in the US, it’s still too much. It’s trying to replace the Spark which started at $13,500

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      Meanwhile most people can’t afford the payments or even get a car loan in the first place, much less cough up thousands for a new car.

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    Unrelated but that Renault looks fly af, what model is that??

    Ah damn it’s a concept R5. So it’s gonna look like ass. Shame thought they finally decided to make a pretty car lmao.