Switch to Linux!
From Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows11/comments/1as1yjk/microsoft_in_their_infinite_wisdom_has_replaced/
I must admit, “Linux becomes the refuge of luddites” was never on any bingo card I could have conceived of for 202X.
Huh? Isn’t this about Microsoft changing out a button with a well established use, in order to take advantage of muscle memory and the unobservant?
Don’t think it’s much to do with people opposing technological advancement, but rather with opposing another company wanting to making a fool of them.
This is just another gripe about how Microsoft is putting AI into everything. If it’s really just about the position of a button (which apparently can be changed in the settings if you still want it there) it’s even more petty. Certainly not worth posting about on a general technology community.
I work in IT, and every time I do an install (sometimes new computers, sometimes not) for someone I see Microsoft’s little News widget they put on the Taskbar, the one that pops up a huge window if you mouse over it. Every time I see that, I ask the person if they ever use it, and they always say no. Then I ask them if they want it gone, and they always say yes, usually with some kind of relief. It’s a matter of two clicks to do it, easier than going into the settings menu like your screenshot, but every computer I haven’t been on previously has it. Now, I’d wonder why Microsoft would put something on the Taskbar that is, in my experience, universally disliked. To me it reeks of the pathetic, groveling, “I’ll suck your dick” energy they have when someone installs Chrome.
Windows 10 changed a lot over the course of its lifetime, and while some feature are good, like Dark Mode, they’re mostly useless or downright bad. So putting something that most people will never use and will greatly confuse and annoy the average user in a place that has been dedicated to a single function for at the very least Windows 10’s entire lifetime (I think it’s there in 8 and maybe 7 also) for seemingly no reason other than to fuck with people’s muscle memory is just one more move very worthy of griping about, no matter how easy it is for users to turn off. Because 99% of users just won’t, because they aren’t confident enough to go futzing around in the settings. But they’ll still get whatever god awful popup this button shows every time they try to show desktop like they’ve been doing for over a decade. It’s yet another change that nobody asked for, nobody will use, and that the user will have to remember that it’s different now for no reason.
If Linux Luddites could TELNET into Lemmy, they would be very angry with you!
It would mean corporate software support. And while you might still choose FOSS, it means money pouring into Linux—which is always a good thing.
“And the lord said unto John, come forth and install gentoo.”
What do you mean? Vocal parts of Linux community is about 80% luddites
friendly reminder that https://theconversation.com/im-a-luddite-you-should-be-one-too-163172
That article attempts to paint Luddism in a positive light and then tries to redefine the term to mean something very for “neo-Luddites” anyway. I don’t find it particularly compelling or well reasoned.
Muscle memory abuse
That’s what made me refuse to use the Reddit official app before their API garbage. Every update was a gamble as to whether they’d try to make me spend money through muscle memory.
reminds me of discord
Never used it. It asked for my phone number for verification when I tried to sign up, a long time back. I was like
I guess user name does not check out.
I’ve been using Linux since Ubuntu was in the single digits. Looks like windows entering the double digits is finally the end. I thought win10 would be able to stay relatively unmolested, but nope, copilot button and bullshit right there in the bar. Why can’t you just leave us the fuck alone. Your driving everyone away who doesn’t have a professional obligation to use your OS. I’ll still have to keep a old win10 boot drive that never connects to a network so I can play games and use CAD that Linux can’t. As a KDE fanboi they’ve added pretty much everything I’ve always wished for and plasma 6 is launching.
Now is my time. Fuck you Microsoft. I won’t miss you.
10+ years with Linux as my daily driver (yeah I’m old). When my os updates, it’s almost always with some feature that’s pretty neat.
Nowadays the steamdeck or some combo of Linux with steam can play my games, do my work, and I actively make other people’s lives better when I contribute.
Thanks for your contribution to the Linux ecosystem!
It’s people like you who make this whole thing possible
Anyone can. It’s part of what makes it great.
Have you tried gaming on Linux lately? You don’t need Windows anymore except if you use GamePass, because MS has locked that software down to Windows. The only problem game I had was The Finals until recently, and it now works on Linux. Besides that the only issue is I can’t mod Baulder’s Gate 1 because it requires injecting things and that doesn’t work with Linux as far as I can figure out. The game runs fine.
Yes, I’m a long time mint user, and I was also a 1st batch steamdeck so I’ve seen how far just proton has come. There’s still a handful of games that just won’t work, work but not with the mods I need, or take a performance hit. I also have a driving simulator with a VR headset. I’m sure I could get it running on Linux eventually but windows just does it. Recognizes and just installed the drivers for all my hardware. And for VR, there are now a lot of solutions, but I’ve found windows to just be the fastest and best performing. I need every frame I can get running vr on a 2060.
Yeah, modding sucks right now. If the game let’s you manually add mods without injecting, then it’s fine, though manual can take a while. Nexus Mod Manager (and most others, though CKAN for KSP(1&2) works pretty well but won’t launch the game through that application for me) don’t work yet for Linux, but it looks like they’re working on a new application that’ll run natively on Linux, so I’m looking forward to that.
r2modman has a native Linux client as well and handles pretty much all unity games
I flirted with gnome this install around. I’m so lazy to reinstall yet again to get back to my previous plasma. Seriously Linux is a way better experience these days, I wish those that could would just give it an honest shot. The learning curve isn’t too bad once you understand a couple things.
Gnome is awful. It’s almost as bad as windows. Basically 0 customization, and getting worse every release. I can’t even fathom how you would voluntarily switch from plasma to gnome and not immediately switch back
It just works for me, and I prefer the look to that of KDE. Like, fair enough if it’s not your cup of tea, but your basic point here is “I don’t like the workflow and I highly value customisation”, and you then act like your subjective preferences are fact.
You can customise Gnome quite a lot, btw. I’m not even saying you should give it another shot, but please just don’t act like your personal preferences are objectively accurate.
I’m not even saying you should give it another shot, but please just don’t act like your personal preferences are objectively accurate.
I’m forced to use it at work if I want to use linux. You really can’t, and to customize even a little bit you need lots of extra tools and maybe even access the css. For example, https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/1160/dash-to-panel/ is the only way to get a usable task bar. And calling it usable is being very generous.
The gnome devs are extremely opinionated in removing configuration and features. It’s honestly disgusting
I dislike how they took away minimizing windows. Please help me understand the lack of system tray. I have apps that go there and I have a plugin to bring it back and all the icons have a black background which is super annoying.
Discord, telegram, signal, flameshot, and others are in there and I don’t understand how gnome intends me to access them otherwise when they’re “closed” in the background.
i’ve always been able to minimize windows from the alt-space window menu. but they are enabling all kinds of customization through the extensions. i have transparent windows (every window, not just apps that support it as part of their functionality), tiling through the Forge extension, the tweak tool gives you lots of stuff including restoring the minimize button to where you think it should be, and there is even an extension to give you your system tray back. but now the gnome team can just focus on putting together the essential parts, and people who want thefunctionality you describe can build it and install it through the extensions.
i, too, was a bit put off when they ditched the gnome2 look and feel, and i stayed on xfce for a long time. but my job had me using windows and i found out that i like just hitting super, typing what i want to do, and then it happens.
now, the software center’s tendency to tell me to reboot for updates is something else. we can hotswap kernels now. don’t fucking tell me i need to reboot.
My experience with the extensions is they frequently break on gnome updates and sometimes functionality is missing when updated and it’s been a disaster imo
Idk with a couple of extensions I really enjoy the GNOME work-flow. Although I admit KDE on my SteamDeck has been tempting me lately.
KDE is amazing and you should give it a try. It’s unbelievably customizable, and is so much more seamless. Having to use gnome is almost as frustrating as having to use macos. And in a lot of the same ways. Like, trying to get a usable task bar in gnome is infuriating.
usable task bar in gnome
Just one easy to enable extension for this, but it should definitely be the default. Overall I like the stock GNOME experience and find it clean. When you get the hang of GNOME it starts to make sense. Super key is the answer.
KDE is obviously more powerful, but I don’t like customizing my desktop very much so that point is moot for me.
I’m going full KDE for the next 6 months, you should try GNOME for a bit, give it a solid chance with extensions.
I’m forced to use gnome at work. It’s horrible
that’s a fair opinion, but for some people they feel the same way about KDE (me). Gnome’s workflow is killer for me, and I love the consistency in design and intent with everything.
I suppose not everybody just wants customizability
Didin’t Linux had FreeCAD?
Yes, and holy shit has it come so far. Unfortunately in the professional world you often just need the native program to open the file. Even just for compatability, but rolling back and/or modifying is only possible within its native software.
Would OnShape be an option for you ? I haven’t booted up Windows since I was able to work with OnShape to replace Solidworks. But I just do hobby projects. I didn’t have to worry about compatibility for collaboration.
FreeCAD…is getting there. They’re actually heading toward a 1.0 release, and bringing usability and convenience features. I’d say by 2025 it’ll be a better value proposition than the “Free non-commerical use drawbackware” tier offerings from Onshape or Fusion360.
I noticed this bullshit a few days ago on my Win 11 desktop! I found if you go check the settings of the start bar, you can hide the copilot icon in the lower right, and then there’s a check box to enable the lower right hand corner to work as show desktop again. The functionality can be restore to exactly as it was, but what the hell were they thinking.
Enshitification, plain and simple.
Switch to Linux!
As a Linux user myself, let me tell you that telling people what they should/must do this is how you make people plainly ignore you and think you’re just an annoying person.
People will keep using what works for them, be it Windows/Linux/MacOS even if with minor inconveniences. Same goes for browsers/services/etc…
“Microsoft continually makes their OS worse, but every time they do, Linux users come into the comment section telling me I should switch, so I’m not going to.”
People don’t switch just because of some minor inconvenience (as if Linux didn’t have any…) and outside of Lemmy/the Fediverse echo chamber very few people are concerned about privacy. They will switch (maybe) if the new tool works better for them than thge previous one. Otherwise, why should they bother? Linux is my primary OS since many years, but it isn’t everybody’s cup of tea.
This echo chamber gets LOUD, too!
The thing is, is that it really doesn’t affect people in the way you guys seem to imagine.
I’ve used Linux, MacOS, and Windows. Currently use Windows for work as a C# . net, SQL / GraphQL, and React TypeScript developer and although I was shocked they’re all pro windows, coming from MacOS. Once you get used to it you don’t really notice the shit stuff as you just do what you’re doing.
I would still rate my experiences in this order though: MacOS, Linux, Windows. Best to worst, but like I said even though in now use the worst in my opinion it really doesn’t have much of an impact. Plus if I were to use Linux I’d need to geek out and waste so much time configuring it and I’m past that stage.
I work in healthcate and use windows, at work and at home if I need to do work related stuff. I don’t mind windows at work as it’s been configured for the purpose and all the shitty bits are switched off - something Microsoft let’s it’s business users do. It’s a decent operating system when it’s set up to do what it needs to do, and I’m very familiar with it from using it since Windows 95.
I used to use windows at home and had Linux for occasional interest. But in the last few years I’ve moved away from windows and now I’m on Linux as my main driver on multiple devices.
For home users Windows is getting pretty shitty - it steals data all the time with numerous privacy settings you have to set to try and stop it, it tries to force you ads, it tries to force you to use its Web browser, it bundles lots of sponsored apps and when it does a big update it resets alot of your choices on privacy plus reinstalls removed bundle apps. It also throws new “features” at you which take up resources and impact privacy. Like Xbox gaming - I didn’t ask for it, I don’t want it, stop installing it every year and stop forcing an overlay on my own games.
It’s really a chore to use windows now; it feels like a constant battle to make sure it’s not intruding on your data and privacy or showing you ads. I now use windows as the exception when there is a specific game that doesn’t work in Linux. The rest of the time I boot into Linux, or use a separate work provided Windows device for home working.
I know it’s probably a case of “who asked” but I guess I just mean I get that windows can be decent for work related stuff (or necessary) but when it comes to personal stuff it’s a bit of a nightmare. And I guess it also comes down to whether the privacy invasion and advertising bothers users. Bothers me a lot, but some people don’t seem to care how the customer has become the product.
Most people don’t care because most of your problems are all privacy related. And that’s what Linux people don’t seem to get. They rant and rave about how much better Linux is… for privacy. But the average Joe doesn’t know or care that data is being collected and for the most part it doesn’t affect them. It’s just some Boogeyman being thrown at them. What they care about is ease of use and convience. They don’t dig into those details because, for the most part, they’re not even aware.
When Linux people say it’s a “better experience”, they largely mean detailed customization and more privacy.
When Windows people say it’s a “better experience”, they mostly mean that it’s the same relatively easy to use experience on every device and it Just Works®.
They’re both right. But each side argues their side of the conversation not seeing that the other side has a perfectly justified use case for theirs. It’s like arguing that everyone should drive a van and not understanding why someone might not want one.
Ask most people if they’re okay with the government installing cameras/microphones in their own home. If someone says they’re sincerely okay with that then hopefully we can agree there is a difference between having a preference and not understanding what is in their own best interests. I draw the line further; the same applies for privacy of your own computing.
I know it’s probably a case of “who asked”
No, no. You’re welcome here too and your experience is really helpful to share, and also helps to dispell this idea that all Linux users are basement geeks pushing a software cult LOL.
I’m the same way, right there with you. I loved classic Windows for decades. My real last straw was when I was helping my sister with a reinstall and discovered firsthand how pushy they were being with forcing a Microsoft Account.
“Oh no problem, you just have to disable WiFi completely via the switch, otherwise it’ll complain that you need an internet connection, so then you need to try three times unsuccessfully on purpose and THEN it’ll let you make a local account.”
“Ok they don’t do that anymore, now you need to use a keyboard shortcut to open a CMD prompt, disable a service…”
It’s completely blunt anymore how Microsoft feels about customers: They think we’re stupid cattle they’ve been raising since the 90’s to “click OK” and make accounts for anything they want. I wish they weren’t so right…
Since then, I found terminal stuff to actually be fun and at least Linux feels like it’s MY machine, not like I paid $100+ for a license key to rent their software that always begs me for more and rats on me at every turn.
But yeah, “just switch” isn’t helping anyone. We need to guide and support more people into it
Get AutoCAD on Linux and I’m there buddy. Some of us need to work.
True, the biggest sore points of Linux is Windows software support. This probably won’t work for you because you seem to use AutoCAD for work, but for me I was able to just find alternatives to programs that were not available anymore when I switched to Linux.
For sure. I would love to ditch Autocad, but that would require me convincing my entire industry. I hate AutoCAD.
Industry Standard software is just a fancy way of saying “Monopoly”
Sure, but it’s also not easy to pivot an entire workforce to a new software platform. I work in architecture and the industry on a whole runs on the smallest possible margins and is managed by boomers that can barely mark up a pdf.
…that can barely mark up a pdf.
This seems to suggest they can download, locate, possibly extract, and then open one.
I’m genuinely awe struck. Yours are practically self-reliant compared to ours! :(
It’s OK if it’s FOSS. Imagine if Adobe Acrobat was FOSS and PDF was an open standard - it would have double the features and 10 times less suck.
PDFs have been an open standard since 2008.
Autodesk is the only entity who would be able to do that, due to the code being proprietary.
Not impossible to happen, though. Autodesk already has Maya available for Linux.
Obviously there are alternatives like FreeCAD, but alternatives aren’t always an option.
Also, while AutoCAD might not work right now, WINE is getting better rapidly, and, while not guaranteed, it (along with Adobe programs) could theoretically work in the future without them needing to port the software. Of course, the companies porting the software would be the preferred solution here.
I’m personally not a fan of relying on proprietary technology for work, but most people are not in control of what their boss says they have to use, and the concept of proprietary “industry standards” continues to be a thing, partly due to lobbying and giving free copies to educators (Autodesk. Adobe, Apple, Google, and Microsoft are all very guilty of this). Unfortunately, I don’t see that changing soon.
Hell forget about AutoCAD, what about word and EXCEL. now you and Linux dudebros will tell me there are alternatives on Linux like libre office and what not. To them I say this
- Make a document in libreoffice , try to save it as docx and see what says libreoffice, or make a doc in word and adjust formatting, try to open same doc in libre office and see what shit show it becomes
- Hand down no body can beat ms excel, on multiple platforms, the versality is not just complex formulas but functions like xlookup, index match , combined with VBA scripting with formulas that can low-key fight python , power tables are unparalleled, if you can replicate these without A SINGLE COMMAND line input for dumb users like us That would the win.
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Blame Microsoft for not conforming to their own standard. There’s a reason the EU uses ODF instead of the mess that is OOXML. Different versions of MS Office aren’t even fully compatible with each other. Also nowadays, you can use Office 365 in a web browser. For desktop, there is LibreOffice and OnlyOffice, which have okay compatibility. MS Office can also open ODF files, as is legally mandated by the EU, since it would be considered anticompetative if they didn’t.
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I don’t use those functions of Excel, so I can’t comment. Also to be clear, are you asking if you can program without a Terminal? I’m not even sure what the question is. VBA is a proprietary Microsoft-specific scripting language, so of course there won’t be native support for that in non-Windows OSs, although there might be a reverse engineering effort I’m not familiar with.
Blaming Linux for a problem that Microsoft caused and won’t solve due to anticompetative practices is just dumb. Microsoft basically invented the concept of Embrace, Extend, extinguish, and Office is a prime example of that.
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I’m curious what their reason for porting Maya was? That’s really interesting.
Likely because of the use of Linux (and historically UNIX with SGI workstations) in Hollywood for CG artists.
Maybe they are not Linux users, maybe they are Microsoft employees trying to keep you on Windows by making Linux users look obnoxious.
I for one enjoy salty Microsoft tears, just makes me feel better with my choice completely ditching them.
Keep 'em coming.
Literally what? I’m a Linux user bro
It wasn’t directed to you, it is directed to people constantly crying about their choice
Exactly. As a musician many paid music plugins simply don’t work on Linux because of all the installers attached to them. Also, I design with the Adobe suite for my work, also not viable on Linux (I believe?). I would love to use Linux, but for my needs it’s simply a no go.This is what annoys me about all the “just use linux” comments. There are usecases where it’s simply not an option.
I’ve gotten every single Windows VST I’ve used working on Linux with WINE. Some of them require extra work (Serum and anything needing Native Access specifically), but they still work.
I’ve also tried both Ableton and FL Studio in WINE, and they both work fine as well.
Adobe suite is something I don’t have experience with, though.
Hmm interesting. I’m a Cubase user with many steinberg plugins and some Arturia stuff. When I googled it, I didn’t seem to find much information about Linux support. But maybe I should give it a try. Thanks for sharing!
Can’t hurt! Might run into a speedbump or two where you have to do a DLL override or something, but you might get lucky and not have to do anything.
I haven’t tried Cubase, though.
Ableton working in Wine you say…? Thank you for sharing, as that would be excellent to try! :)
Yeah. I’d still recommend Ableton users try out Bitwig, though, regardless of OS. It’s a fantastic DAW that also happens to have native Linux support.
But yeah, Ableton should work fine with WINE, along with your VSTs. Make sure you use WINEASIO along with JACK. Pipewire works, but I’ve notoced that it eats up more resources than just using JACK directly, similar to using ASIO in Windows.
That’s awesome! Thank you for the rundown, I’ll save this comment for the day that I get to making the jump :) It might be a while until I can, but it would be nice to jump back over to the comfortable Linux environment again :)
No problem. Feel free to PM me if you have any questions.
Agreed, not just plugins its also Ableton Live for me! There is nothing that scratches that for me, bitwig does look promising eventually though. :)
Then on top of that wanting to develop games without learning another game engine (I’m far into a game, and can’t change engine without starting again)
And I wanna play Baldurs Gate 3 again dammit! (To be fair I think that might work and haven’t looked) :) .
I used Linux for 5 years and loved it, have a pi and a degoogled Foss phone as much as possible. I am an ally to it all, but have usecases which dictate Windows … I think it’s not unreasonable to want something to get better without binning 70℅ of why I use my computer. :)
Edit: I just learned this thread, wine might work with Ableton, this is great news :)
I’m gonna keep eating unhealthy food in large quantities, nobody should tell me what to do or what works for me…
Hey, just keep doing whatever you want. Just rest assured that virtually everybody is going to plainly and silently ignore you.
Just once I would love to open one of these threads without seeing people shitting… on Linux.
Linux is not even the one doing anything wrong but people gotta rag on whoever recommends it as an alternative. This is getting more annoying than however annoying they say Linux users are.
edit: Just to make clear because some folks aren’t getting it, this is not an invitation to argue about how you feel about Linux and Linux users. I. don’t. fucking. care. I don’t even use Linux. Take it to someone who cares.
People be like:
tbf I get it. Sometimes you just want to be mad.
But like, it’s Microsoft’s fault.
Or Adobe, Autodesk, Nvidia, etc.
“Hey I have a problem with my Samsung”
“Drop it and get an iPhone instead”
This is what you guys are like.
When people tell you to use Linux, they’re not telling you that to solve your immediate problem (e.g. your “show desktop” icon has been replaced with a different icon), but they are telling you to get out of your abusive relationship with Microsoft, because that is the real problem: Microsoft does not respect you, the end-user of their product, and this kind of abusive shit will keep happening for as long as you keep using Windows.
Who asked you for help with our relationship? I believe someone complained about a random feature change. And here you are. Telling everyone to just fuck off and switch completely. It’s insane.
JFC people like you … You have like the worst case of Stockholm syndrome I’ve ever seen. I swear the only reason you are getting so angry and defensive when people recommend Linux is because deep down you know they’re speaking the truth.
No. It’s annoying being told the only solution is to throw everything out the window and start over. No stockholm syndrome I run a Ubuntu server and ran arch when I was 14. Fuck off with your stupid takes and offer a real solution to the problem.
Fuck off with your stupid takes
Yeah, real mature take you have there buddy.
offer a real solution to the problem.
“My husband always beats me when he is drunk. Don’t tell me to leave him, just tell me how I get him to stop beating me”
^ This is you basically.
they are telling you to get out of your abusive relationship with Microsoft
And how well has that worked so far?
For people like me who took that advice: pretty damn great actually, thanks for asking!
How many people have you managed to convert in this thread?
Even if it’s only one, I will have helped one person, unlike you who has only been bitching and moaning.
Me! Switched to fedora from Windows about 3 years ago and don’t regret it one bit. Probably the best decision I’ve made in regards to personal computing in my adult life.
I did switch around a month ago due to a thread similar to this, and I have booted windows like twice since then, and im really glad I made the switch. So, yes, threads like this did help me, while also providing good starting tips.
More like:
“Hey I have a problem with my Samsung”
“Here’s a custom ROM you can install instead” (but also glosses over a lot of the finer decisions that go into whether or not to choose to run a custom ROM)
Nah, I switched to Linux last year and it cost me $0. No new hardware needed. So not a good metaphor.
You misunderstood what the metaphor was.
Are iPhones free now?
you don’t have to pay for a +1000$ device to switch to Linux. In most cases, you can just install it in the same machine you have Windows.
It’s more like replacing Samsung’s Android ROM with a custom ROM. Sure, you’ll have to learn new things to use it, but you don’t have to buy an iPhone.
I get what you’re saying but I just want to point out that the lowest cost iPhone is under $450.
Lol you wish Linux was an equivalent to an iPhone in this analogy. Pretty analogy from you.
It does sometimes feel like a guy with face scars from an exploded Samsung reaching for another Samsung while saying “I hope they’ve made improvements”
Linux isn’t a solution if you play competitive multiplayer games, which most people do.
Edit: keep being classy basement trolls, you’re only proving my statements about the shittiness of the linux community with every downvote.
What??? Do you have a statistic on this like does most of the population of earth play call of street fortnite 20 or whatever “competitively”?
I think you are confusing “professionally” and “competitively”. Anyone playing to win is being competitive.
I don’t think that many people even play video games nevermind online ones nevermind competitive ones
https://truelist.co/blog/gaming-statistics
Like 41% which is more than I expected but only a tiny fraction of those use PCs
I’m upvoting you because I know what you’re trying to say. Personally I don’t have a lot of time to game anymore but I vote with my wallet and I try to only buy games on steam that are linux native. I have found a lot of great indy games this way and I don’t feel like I’m “missing out”. Still, I get it.
which most people do.
Lolwhut?
Most people who play competitive multiplayer games (a minority of total users) do so on console
there are 3 billion people playing videogames, most of them playing casual af shit like candy crush (https://explodingtopics.com/blog/number-of-gamers).
About “competitive” multiplayer games: have you tried proton? I myself was sticking with Windows untill i eventually tried it.
Linux is not a solution if you have a skill issue. The longer people have this kind of mindset you have, the longer Microsoft will pretend to be a monopolist, the longer they will behave like total shitheads towards their customers.
Is proton also a work around for easy anti-cheat now?
It literally is. Played Hunt: Showdown and Warthunder with no problems at all
Lol yeah “most people” definitely do not play competitive multiplayer games. Are the other children in your friend group literally the only other humans you’ve ever met?
“most people” = “most teens”. I don’t know any adult that plays competitive multiplayer games other than maybe CSGO.
I am not sure if most people play competitive multiplayer games
Care to cite sources for that? Haven’t seen people playing “competitive multiplayer games” from most people in a while, now.
Fuck off sealion
Oh, are your gaming statistics hurt?
Your solution isn’t a solution though it’s like saying that the solution to drowning is to set yourself on fire. It’s just a different kind of problem.
No it isn’t.
It’s more like saying: if that guy you hang out with keeps pushing you into the water and you almost drown every time, perhaps you should stop hanging out with that guy.
Of course, that’s not what people who are in an abusive relationship typically want to hear.
It’s hardly a big deal, none of what Microsoft has done is really that annoying. Individually they are barely even noteworthy.
Switching to Linux is a huge pain in the ass to have to go through so Microsoft would have to do something seriously messed up for me to even want to put up with it. I’m not assuming that I could find equivalent programs that even ran on Linux.
That’s exactly the kind of shit abused people say to justify staying with their abusive partner. (“Oh it’s not so bad” - she says with a black eye - “and he’s really sweet normally”)
Yes in the short term it can be painful to leave an abusive person you’ve come to depend upon, but in the long term it’s always the better solution.
Literally abusive relationship cope. LMAO.
And in this case they aren’t even drowning. They have a slightly annoying icon in the corner of their screen.
I don’t think this meme applies here. The person who’s mad isn’t the one using Windows. They got mad about a “problem” someone else was having and decided to use it as an excuse to push Linux.
Exactly. The Linux bros are not offering a solution. They are the same people as the “just move” people. Annoying ass trolls.
But moving costs money, switching to linux costs nothing (if you have free cloud storage or a second drive to backup and migrate important data, even then you could get one of those for cheap or free depending on your needs), and with how linux is these days there are distros that are as plug and play as windows for basic tasks that most people do, and a welcoming community and infinite resources to make learning curves small if you want to take on something more advanced. Further than that Linux can be more friendly, allowing easy configuration and GUIs to do things that would require “hacking” to do on windows or third party bloated applications.
I’m on a more advanced distro, but it’s basically easy-mode arch skipping the technical set up stage, and honestly it is not hard to pick up at all, if I did what I did on windows my experience would be roughly the same except I designed my own task bar set up and my PC has been running quieter and more efficiently, everything past that is me tailoring my experience past what a normal user would do.
I tried linux a decade ago and it was sluggish in the UI and didn’t have support for a lot of things but these days it feels 99% to what windows is for me with some extras. It’s time to switch for people on the fence, especially with the rapid enshittification of things.
I think the hurdle isn’t money but time, and yes it takes quite a bit of time to learn a new OS, figure out why your graphics card is running so slow, move your files to an external drive and back, find alternatives to the programs you use and learn their quirks and missing features, learn the difference between apt-get and snap and flatpak when programs only support one, figure out what a .tar.gz file is and how to install one (what was that chain of commands with “sudo make” in it), find tweaks and workarounds to get certain games working in Proton, and do that all again if you don’t like the distro (because Linux users love suggesting new distros)
You are totally right about the time, I agree with you there, it did take some time for me to make sure I was ready for an install but once I got it it went super quick and I haven’t had any issues with graphics even though I’m using nvidia. As for the terminal, I’m probably an outlier but I’m totally fine with that and I do have some previous experience from when I was younger messing around in ubuntu that made it easier now even though I’m on a much different distro.
‘Just switch to Linux’ isn’t a solution to a problem. It’s a tired and lazy ass response that is frankly starting to make me dislike this place.
When “this lemon is too sour” is the problem, maybe “here, try this orange” is the solution. Can you imagine responding like “No! People are always talking about oranges! I’m sick of it and won’t try one!” Ridiculous…
Trying an orange is a lot easier than creating a boot USB, copying all your files over to an external hard drive, installing a new OS, fixing weird things like the graphics card having crap performance or the laptop screen brightness not dimming, learning the weird 3 letter file structure, being bogged down by apt-get vs snaps vs flatpak and adding repos (why not search and download an .exe like a normal OS), realizing that your more specialized programs don’t work, etc.
Besides, it’s not just ONE person, seeming everyone says it every time a lemon has a scratch or a blemish or too many seeds. And then they dramatize it by calling it an “abusive relationship”.
Yup. I’m about over lemmy cause of this shit. Linux bros are worse than vegans.
Agreed, just glance at the linked Reddit thread and it’s refreshing how little Linux is mentioned. I’m really tired of seeing it (and related FOSS circlejerking) on every vaguely related Lemmy thread and I suspect that’s where most of the “Linux bashing” is coming from, we’re just sick of it.
“or the screen brightness not dimming”
This. Have this issue on my laptop, tried to fix it, didn’t work. Not gonna bother with Linux now when I’ve had this issue happen to me both on said laptop and my desktop
I can see the appeal in Linux and wouldn’t mind continuing to use it, but I will stick with Windows because I am more familiar with it and because I play games that can only run on it (Not saying this part to you but just in general)
OK well if you’re looking for the actual solution to the problem brought up in this thread… here: https://i.imgur.com/nHEcFG2r.png
How much more practical it is to complain about users of a different system than the one the thread is about? It got to a point people are doing this preemptively even.
I mean “Just fix Microsoft and change its direction to be less consistently hostile and disrespectful of users” is a solution…
“Put an end to the data and attention harvesting economy” is another.
…but…switching OSs was easier for me personally, until we figure out how to wrangle a tech behemoth or fix underlying problems with human civilization.
As is everyone taking every possible opportunity to mention Linux. It’s not like we don’t know it exists, we don’t need constantly reminding that it’s an option.
Although it isn’t an option for a vast number of reasons, but mostly because corporate IT requires systems that run only on Windows. Therefore the only solution is Windows so the fact another operating system exists is utterly irrelevant and yet somehow you guys constantly keep mentioning it. Then we constantly have to point out that lots and lots of programs don’t run on Linux and then you will inhibitively start going on about Wine. It’s tiring. I would love it if we could have a conversation about Microsoft without having to pretend that other operating systems are viable alternatives.
If Linux is not for you that’s understandable. The thing here is that they are not having a conversation about Microsoft. They are having the pettiest, least technical possible discussion about Linux, it’s devolving to pure clique shit talking.
If you want to talk about Microsoft, just talk about Microsoft.
Problem is, whenever you try taking about Microsoft, someone just has to interject and be like “yeah you should be using Linux instead”
I’d just like to interject for a moment…
The Microsoft company is not happy with me–that’s okay, I’ll still keep downloading patches for that garbage.
Or how about
- You can’t easily define what apps start with startup
- Even when wine is installed , lot of programs won’t run in wine
- You cannot easily find where the program is installed like you can in windows
- You attach a external disk but some apps won’t see it mounted making it Impossible to explore in their file picker , not all but some
- There is almost huge lack of programs , for which there is huge possibility that a windows program exists.
- There is constant need to use terminal for lot of things for which you can’t a program see point 4.
I keep telling Linux is still not for common home use for users who are in between power users and people only using it for browsing. This will get me downvotes here on Lemmy all the time . Linux edge lords are their own bubble.
All but one of your points here appear to be your lack of understanding Linux and/or user error. Point 4 (2) is understandable due to Windows just being the default and most popular choice.
Why is micro shit even the first choice? Go ChromeOS or something cool. Smh
I rarely see that,. But what I see all the time is Linux lovers being toxic fanboys trying to shove their “passion” down everyone’s throat. Also, 99% of them being wrong about what it can “offer”.
Its a pure superiority complex fanbase.
Complaining about Linux and Linux users happens in every Windows-related thread, and you are doing it right now.
As a slight aside I am also sooo tired of people calling talking about something “shoving down our throats”. People talking about someone you don’t care for is not physically assaulting you. That expression seems to exist solely for people to wind themselves up over stuff that absolutely doesn’t justify that level of outrage.
It’s shoving down throats when Linux is brought up in every single Windows discussion. The complaints about Linux are in response to Linux users never being able to just let it lie, people aren’t just bitching in a void.
This is absolutely not people being mad for people just talking about something. I have an extremely hard time believing you truly believe that is the issue here.
There are countless places to discuss Linux without bringing it into the comments of every Windows post. Windows users are not commenting on every post in the Linux communities about how much more straightforward running Windows is.
It would be like vegan eaters commenting about how good it is to be vegan on every post in food communities that features non-vegan food.
Lol this is a thread that was started because of a minor cosmetic windows issue, where the proposed solution in the original post is to switch to Linux.
It’s Linux users shitting on Windows to begin with… With the response being essentially “Linux doesn’t meet my needs”.
I used to think evangelicals were bad, but this is a whole new level…
Fanbase because the philosophy is based on owning your computer. If some asshole you don’t know needs your trust to run their closed-source-no-one-really-knows-what-it-actually does inside what is no longer really your computer just because you paid for it then here…here’s a dum-dum. Hands you a sucker.
Well maybe stop suggesting that the solution to every tiny little cosmetic inconvenience is to completely switch operating systems to one that has notoriously flakey hardware support.
Fuck linux, the’ve had 30 years to make a consumer grade product but NoooOOooo all the devs spend their energy making 50 different weakly compatible distros that no one needs.
I’ll say it again, fuck linux. Fuck linux and its shitty community of elitist basement trolls.
Just once I would love to open one of these threads without seeing people spam “USE LINOOX INSTEAD!”
Lol holy persecution complex, batman… This is a thread shitting on Windows.
It happens because Linux users are like vegans. They can’t shut up about it. And they don’t realize that using Linux doesn’t make them special or a member of some cool club nor does it mean that they have any friends.
I love Linux, but it’s extremely annoying how many threads there are showing a mildly annoying and optional feature in Windows with 10 people replying “Use Linux!”. As if Linux doesn’t have a ridiculous number of UX problems itself.
Wow, Microsoft are always so innovative! I never thought that the Win11 taskbar could get any shittier, but somehow they managed it. It’s great to see those thousands of engineers being put to good use.
Everyone: Don’t say anything sensitive or personal to an AI because it could end up in training data!
Microsoft: We’re making it easier to feed everything you do on your computer to an AI from notepad to your desktop!
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just switched to Linux for the first time this week!
There are dozens of us, dozens!
Twitter sent me to Mastodon. Reddit sent me to Lemmy. Windows has sent me to Linux. These things are basically promoting the better versions of themselves by becoming shittier versions of themselves.
Same here. But I had always been on Linux since I was a kid because Ubuntu (Gnome 2 days) was very pretty compared to Windows XP to me.
One of us! One of us! One of us!
How much searching did you have to do? Be honest. Ever try to mount a network share permanently yet?
As someone on Manjaro for over a year, I did have a few searches, but they were rare and mostly related to obscure things I needed.
Not even close to the “search a fix every 10 minutes” experience I was promised.
No searching at all. I got a new computer last month.
- Install open-ssh server on the old computer
- Copy the IP address of the old computer
- Paste it into Dolphin
- Copy paste everything
And how would a new user know to find this specific app in the repo? Have you ever actually searched “how to permanently mount a network dive in Linux”? I didn’t see a single one saying dolphin.
I don’t know how to mount a network drive in Windows. So what’s your point?
btw I just searched how to do it in KDE. First result is a Reddit thread explaining how to do it in Dolphin.
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I did, and it was fairly straightforward according to the documentation I found. This was a couple of years ago but I’m pretty sure I needed to figure out how to use nano, then type some magic words into fstab along with the IP and password, and I haven’t had to mess with it ever since.
More to the penguin army! Welcome
… You guys might shit on it, but that’s incredibly smart on their part. Ten years or more of that button being there and now suddenly something else replaces it, just imagine the amount of people accidentally hitting the button and being introduced to copilot. This was a very deliberate change.
It’s Smart as in, MLM scheme smart. Not honorable, just smart. Like a thief that is clever about not leaving fingerprints.
That’s exactly why we shit on it
I’m pretty sure there’s a term for it. Google did it with shopping and images, Instagram changed the home button with some advertising thing (dont remember the exact details).
I was thinking enshittification
Better than whatever i wouldve come up with lol.
Shadow Patterns!
Dark pattern.
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Nobody said it wasn’t deliberate. It’s still shitty af.
And the thing failed the things I asked it to do so far. It’s not very helpful with actually getting things done.
That’s why there are 3 of them now. One there and two in the corners of the start menu popup
This being “smart” is entirely based on the assumption that the average user who’s actually trying to just get to their home screen won’t be pissed when the bloated chatbot pops up instead. And that assumption is wrong.
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Linux exists people, without copilot using your information for training data and if you game, has Valve releasing updates like crazy for proton making it easier and easier to use Linux for gaming. The only thing I use Windows for is GeForce now as the windows and Mac apps are the only way for me to play 1440p 120fps with their service.
Good beginner distros: pop_os, Ubuntu, Linux mint, Nobara or fedora, Garuda, Manjaro, solus, zorin. The possibilities are really endless. Just take your pick, make a bootable USB and try it out.
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Windows Key+D
Press it again to restore all apps to foreground.
Just press windows+d bro.
I forgot that the button exists.
Win+d also redirects to copilot
I hope that’s a joke or else I’m gonna be so mad
Nah, obviously you launch Copilot with Ctrl+C.
So you’re just out here trying to start a riot, eh?
No you do that with Win+R.
and not Ctrl+Alt+Shift+Win+T
Obviously it’s right mouse button for quick access
Or Win+m
I purposefully tear every windows key of my keyboards with a pair of needlenose the moment I unbox them.
Thankfully my daily driver keyboard is too old to have one.
You can still re-enable it in the taskbar settings. Personally I like asking an AI to do stuff, so I like the Copilot icon in my taskbar, BUT NOT ON THE FREAKING BOTTOM RIGHT CORNER GODDAMMIT THAT’S FOR LIKE NOTIFICATIONS
AND NOW NOTIFICATIONS GO OVER COPILOT BUT NOT QUICK SETTINGS FOR SOME REASON AND IF YOU BRING UP QUICK SETTINGS IT SHIFTS TO THE LEFT AND HIDES NOTIFICATIONS??
at least I won’t accidentally hide my desktop while clicking copilot in a place where it shouldn’t have been
except oh no signing in to unlock copilot doesn’t even fucking worktime to grind on my giant arch migration checklist and hunt for a good foobar2000 alternative which i’ll likely never finish
For a Foobar2000 alternative have you seen Deadbeef . It doesn’t replace everything but has the same sort of modular interface.
I’ve actually asked about alternatives in the EndeavourOS forum and talked about it there:
I just found out about DeaDBeeF. Unfortunately, it’s not what I’ll be using.
It is quite a one-to-one match to foobar2000! It has the same modularity and customization. However, the plugin ecosystem is nowhere as big. There’s no Coverflow plugin.
And there was a lyrics plugin, forked after an earlier plugin stopped development. However, the developer quit after decreasing passion coincided with the DeadBeeF developer removing the already finished Russian translation in the wake of the Russian war for whatever reason. Needless to say, I am not comfortable with it both feature-wise and ethics-wise.Strawberry and all Clementine (or should I say, Amarok?)-likes don’t strike my fancies. They seem to be in pretty good hands, but I just don’t like the side-tab layout (plus the aforementioned problem with lyrics). Amarok seems to have switched their design, and since I plan on using KDE either way, if the usage is good enough and I can’t find anything better, I’ll either use Amarok or Sayonara, which also seems promising.
I’m personally more of a fan of Audacious
Also worth noting that foobar2000 works in WINE.
Audacious only has the playlist and library stuff, from what I can see.
Wining it is still going to stick out of place and the external window plugin thing I want is probably gonna be weird.
For me, there are 2 on the top left and too right of the start menu pop up and they don’t even look the same. Whoever is in charge of UI/UX needs to be shot. Holy shit. Windows just feels like a taped together heap of shit. The competition is way better.
Holy shit. Windows just feels like a taped together heap of shit.
I thought that was pretty much an open secret since Windows ME. As a begrudging Windows user who loves Linux infinitely more, my impression has been that they’re just dialing that shit to 11 (hah) while they complete their transition to being the high-margin SAAS empire known as AzureCopilotGithubOfficeGamepassSoft. I kind of doubt that Windows revenue is even worth labeling on their pie charts anymore.
It felt less taped together (in the UI sense, anyway) before Windows 8, honestly. Mainly because they didn’t do semiannual or annual (or whatever the schedule is now) feature updates.
Windows 8 was… Windows 8.
Windows 10 never felt finished, especially whenever they shifted the UI design between updates. Some things would follow the new look, while others wouldn’t.
And now they’re repeating that with Windows 11.
Windows 7 was alright, except for nearly every aspect of its 64-bit infrastructure. But it was also basically a $100 patch for Vista that took 2.5 years to make so they could put that house fire in their rear view mirror while there were still people inside. Oh, and probably to fuck up government work for the better part of a decade.
Yeah, it definitely wasn’t perfect, but I was primarily focusing on the UI since that’s what the others in this thread were focusing on.
I personally really like StartAllBack. I just want a clean classic Windows experience.
Not sure if it’ll help with OP’s rage issues (I skipped over the all-caps and punctuation-free stuff), but I’ve long been a fan of Open Shell. Makes the Windows experience extremely customizable.
I’ve used ncmpcpp and more recently Cantata to replace foobar, not as much customization but it gets a lot of stuff right for me.
