Reddit beats film industry again, won’t have to reveal pirates’ IP addresses::Firms wanted seven years’ worth of IP address logs on users who discussed piracy.
Discussing " “piracy” " (unauthorized copying) does not equate to being guilty of it: title aught to say “alleged”.
The film industry in this case wasn’t after the data to go after the individuals who made the posts but to use them as witnesses against their ISPs who did nothing in response to piracy complaints. The DMCA has a requirement for a repeat infringer policy and evidence that the ISPs knew about the piracy and that their users chose them or stayed with them because the ISP wouldn’t kick them off goes a long way to winning the case against the ISP. They were going after the deep pockets.
Nearly every ISP assigns IP addresses dynamically. So unless they’re using IPs from very close timespans, the raw IP addresses are effectively useless to identify repeat offenders.
Yes? But as the person you are responding to has mentioned, they’re not after the individuals, they’re after the “ISPs who did nothing in response to piracy complaints.”
Having the IP address of those users will reveal which ISP they are using.
Just run a traceroute or tracert command against any website and you can see for yourself how your connection initially goes through your ISP before branching out to the rest of the internet.
The ISP would have the records to identify the repeat infringers. Or should at least. That was the problem the film industry is going after: the ISPs not doing even the bare minimum required by law to terminate infringers, even when they had been notified many times by rightsholders.
From a previous article about this case:
https://lemmy.world/post/10751737
Last year, a Reddit user wrote that they received 44 emails from Frontier threatening to cut off their service due to torrent downloads, but “if they didn’t do it after 44 emails … they won’t."
Either the ISP has the records to identify the users and the film industry can get their information to use them as witnesses that way or the ISP doesn’t have their information and shows how not-seriously they are taking the issue. Either way, it’s bad for the ISP.
Also, do IP addresses really change that often anymore, even if you aren’t paying for a static one?
Also, do IP addresses really change that often anymore, even if you aren’t paying for a static one?
For most ISPS, every time you restart your modem it will be assigned a new IP. Some ISPs may reassign the same IP within a small time period, but most will just assign a new IP for every new connection.
Must be a regional thing. I have the same IP for years, no matter which ISP I use. Struggling to think of a single time it changed in the last 20+ years.
My parents’ isp setup a static dhcp entry per customer. If you change the mac address of your router you don’t get an address. The address you get with the proper mac address is constant and can’t be changed.
Would a lemmy insurance stand up to such a request?
Or is this a case where from a privacy perspective, Lemmy is worse
I had this conversation with one of my instance’s mods about a month ago.
Essentially:
If provided with a court order, we could theoretically provide:
- Email address
- Record of all comments / posts made by the user
- Incoming/outgoing DMs for the user
- Voting activity made by that user
- Communities subscribed to
(I think that’s everything off the top of my head)
IP addresses are not logged in the db or linked to a user, but if the RCMP shows up with a warrant and says “We want all IP addresses that submitted a comment at 09:11:43am PST Jan 16 2024” then I’d be able to get that from the access logs. Access logs are only stored for 14 days and then purged, DB backups are taken daily and stored for 30 days.
Lemmy instances would probably have far fewer resources to fight with. But also more likely to fly under the radar so I don’t know overall.
Hopefully this information is not being retained so until industry players take notice it should be safe.
I love reddit
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Want to see me piss off lemmy? OBSERVE!
Everyone here is against copyright law until the piracy is used to train an LLM, and then copyright law is a holy commandment that must be upheld at all costs.
Not really. It’s more about all having to play by the same rules. Some people are getting sued for sharing a few MP3s and here’s a company downloading half the internet to make profit. And it’s not for the benefit of mankind either, it’s for their bottom-line only. I’m not happy with copyright laws, but until they are changed for all I want to see them applied to all alike.
That’s what it’s about to you right here in this moment but no, more often than not, when a story comes out that they have been using copyrighted works to train their LLM’s the general vibe is ‘how dare they steal’
It’s really bizarre yeah. Fuck copyright.
Legit had a long chain of comments defending copyright and being anti-LLM about a month ago after I essentially said the NYT and GRRM lawsuits against OpenAI were silly.
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I like copyleft, a hack of copyright, to allow sharing but also enforce the takers to share back too (if they redistribute). Give me another way to do this without copyright and I’m all aboard.
Want my works? You can have it! I left everything I created together in one place. Now just follow the license agreement.
Legitimately fuck modern copyright and patent law.
Whilst we’re forced to endure capitalism, a short copyright of 5-10 years on art is beyond reasonable enough. Maybe 2-3 years on technology & chemical patents for the truly novel inventions, i.e. only if no public funded research forms the basis of the patent (nearly all pharmacy R&D is just rebadged academic research. Clinical trials should be funded by public money before anyone goes there).
No entity deserves the exclusive rights to any idea for anything close to the duration we currently allow. It only stunts progress.
I think it’s fair enough to look for the good things that they do, and see if there’s a model we can follow for ourselves.
Running a site is one thing, dealing with external factors (local laws, legal requests, public opinion, etc.) is another mess. I’d rather we figured things out now and had some best practices in place, rather than scrambling when the time comes
Even a broken clock…
Yeah me too, I love it when they do the right thing. Of course we only know what they refuse to do, what they agree isn’t public.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
In a motion to compel that was filed last month, movie companies Voltage Holdings and Screen Media Ventures argued that “Reddit users do not have a recognized privacy interest in their IP addresses.”
But in Wednesday’s ruling, US Magistrate Judge Thomas Hixson said, “The Court finds no reason to believe provision of an IP address is not unmasking subject to First Amendment scrutiny.”
Voltage Holdings and Screen Media Ventures previously sued the Internet service provider Frontier Communications, alleging that it is liable for its users’ copyright infringement.
The fact that movie companies only sought IP addresses instead of names this time around wasn’t enough to sway the court.
As in the previous cases, the movie companies “cannot show that the information they seek here is unavailable from other sources,” Hixson wrote.
Voltage Holdings and Screen Media Ventures cited Reddit posts in which users say that Frontier didn’t terminate their Internet service despite sending many copyright infringement notices about torrent downloads.
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Fuck Reddit, 'cuz I’m over here now. (in the best Diceman voice I can muster)
