Speaking as a Brit, the only way to get TLoU was to subscribe to Sky TV, which (as far as I’m aware) requires a 12 month contract. Fuck that, quite frankly.
So I took to the high seas because I could.
Amazon Prime is now charging to get rid of ads
/edit; Woops, meant to be a top-level comment, not a reply…
While the Brits commonly use fortnights and “next Tuesdays” the conversion to months isn’t too complicated if you’re used to it
I’ll see you next Tuesday, if you’d like.
They say it so much they even have an acronym for it.
I was hanging around Chelsea in my new West Ham soccer jersey trying to blend in, and every other person on the street was saying they hoped to see me next Tuesday. Even yelling it from across the street! They must have known I was American because they kept trying to talk to me about football, but they didn’t seem to know any NFL teams.
The Brits really are on of the most polite nations.
Now tv doesn’t require a contract like that, in fact we just used a trial which they’re very generous on giving out to people multiple times. So when a site like that comes out we use a trial if there’s one available and then depending on the runtime we might only have to pay a month and it’s pretty cheap if you just get TV shows and not movies.
Now TV is fucking awful though. They still think 1080p and surround sound are luxury optional extras.
It’s basically just cybersquatting on shows so nobody else can have them, and remind you that you could watch them in decent quality if only you weren’t such a cheapskate and would subscribe to full Sky.
I mean, doesn’t Netflix also charge extra for 1080p? Also I’m not a massive fan of Now, I only get it when there’s a show I really want to watch on it.
Additionally, even though Fox sold their shares in Sky years ago, I still can’t divest them in my head from the Murdoch empire.
That’s what happens when it takes 8 separate subscriptions to keep up with TV
I went on a smash and grab of all the shows I’d been meaning to watch, but hadn’t been on any of the services I’d subbed to for the last few years.
Turns out they were all HBO shows.
I need some great stuff to watch, mind mentioning some of your favorite shows? Thanks!
True Detective was pretty good. Especially season 1.
It’s already seen The Wire, but catch that if you missed it. Also, We Own This City by the same writer.
And for something lighter, I got Silicon Valley, Flight of the Conchords and Succession.
Not had a chance to watch Peacemaker, Watchmen or Generation Kill yet. I was going to grab The Sopranos but I’m running out of space.
running out of space
I just delete the ones I’ve watched. The more popular ones will always be available
And thanks for the recommendations
all HBO shows.
Which isn’t available in the UK so fuck 'em I’ll pirate.
Piracy will increase as streaming services get more exclusive and more expensive. Fuck em, we sail the seas again.
Just re-downloaded plex after a 5 year break after I got the email about prime going up. Back to the seas for me!
I just searched and found my old usenet account again after 7 or so years. Still 1TB of data left! Still amazing content and speeds!
We still have a bunch of pirated stuff from years ago, but then we were satisfied with Netflix and didn’t bother using it. Now we’re using it more because stuff we want just isn’t available, and I have several terabytes of space left on it NAS. All I need now is to get less lazy and start filling up again.
… How would you even measure that?
/edit: ah, popular downloads from one particular torrent provider. Not the wider picture.
Add on pirate streams, usenet, and the other half a billion torrent sites and those numbers muddy a bit…
I don’t think it said just 1 specific torrent provider. But even then, as long as it was a decently sized generic torrent provider, what makes you think it would not be representative of the bigger picture?
They explicitly state these are Torrent Freaks numbers. Along with:
It should be noted, as Torrent Freak does, these statistics only reflect a portion of any pirated content this year. The stats are specifically for single-episode torrents, rather than season-wide packages, and even more specifically they’re based on data from the torrenting platform BitTorrent. Just as television has grown and evolved across new formats in the last decade or so, so has piracy, with more and more people turning to sites hosting streams of pirated content, rather than “traditionally” pirating content through downloaded, local copies.
These numbers only reflect piracy of one type and among that type only one, very public, provider. (and not even their entire community, just those that download episodes one by one) That’s quite a limited scope. Lots of pirates don’t like such public services and/or use other protocols/methods of acquiring media.
Personally, I don’t even use Torrents at all anymore, let alone Torrent Freak, yet I pirate hundreds of hours of media every month. I’ve also been hearing far more commonly in the last few years about people using pirate streaming services instead of downloads.
If you want the full picture, you’ve gotta expand your demographics. When you only ask the straight white men, all you get is what straight white men think, instead of the whole community’s opinion.
Torrent Freak is not a piracy website. They are a news publication that talks about torrenting and piracy. They describe themselves as follows:
TorrentFreak is a publication dedicated to bringing the latest news about copyright, privacy, and everything related to filesharing. We are not a news aggregator but focus on unique and fresh stories. TorrentFreak is where news and copyright issues collide.
For this specific article, they mention that they
estimated based on sample data from several sources, including I Know.
The source article in question:
https://torrentfreak.com/the-last-of-us-is-the-most-pirated-tv-show-of-2023-231225/
Ah, my bad. Could have sworn they were an indexer; but it’s been a while since I’ve used torrents.
“several sources” is rather… ‘trust us’. Not a fan of that kind of reporting. But I know what you download is something at least.
That expands the scope to several public indexer sites instead of just one, but it’s still only public peer-to-peer (torrent) traffic being measured. Usenet, direct download, private/pirate streaming, and private peer-to-peer are still left out.
Oh for sure, it’s pretty hand wavey, and doesn’t cover everything, but it’s at least something!
So, back to the original question: what makes you think that using public torrent trackers are not representative of the bigger picture?
Yes, obviously not being able to use private stats from private sources narrows the scope, but what makes you think it cannot be extrapolated? Personally, I think that private trackers or usenet would paint the same picture, and niche providers would be too small to make a dent in the stats.
Because I’m more interested in data than opinion. Maybe they’re the same, maybe they aren’t; without any data to back it up, that’s all it is, opinions.
When I said the numbers muddy, I’m not saying they’re wrong necessarily; just that they become quite unclear. You can’t be sure they’re accurate because you’re making assumptions to reach them.
Part of this stems from an opinion of my own however: that public torrents are a shrinking market share of piracy. More and more I see conversations dominated by streams, private torrent trackers, and usenet. That’s not to say they’ve disappeared or ever will, but other means seem more common lately. Though that’s admittedly hard to gauge.
A small slice can give you an idea of what the bigger picture may be, but the smaller the slice the less chance that idea will be accurate. Take a jigsaw puzzle for example: if I only look at 10% of the pieces I may get enough detail to figure out what the image is supposed to be, or maybe I’ll only get pieces of the empty blue sky… (or is that water… I can’t tell)
“This actual data isn’t data. My personal anecdotes are data”
law of large numbers: it’s probably fairly representative
Yeah bruh, I can’t be bothered with subscriptions & shit.
But it’s this specific show, so I wonder if people were interested enough to check it out but not enough to pay to do so, which would track for TLOU and especially for a video game adaptation.
I can’t be bothered to figure out which streaming service it’s on. Also my *arr stack is fully automated and shared with ~15 people so the cost per person is very low considering my nas and nuc use ~100W combined, that’s $12/mo for 15 people based on my local electric rate. I would gladly put my plex/jellyfin server in the closet and pay for a subscription if I could pay $12/mo to legally watch any show / movie on however many screens I want from wherever I want. But until then, my arrstack is both cheaper for the features and more convenient in content availability.
As a comparison, to subscribe to every major streaming service would be upwards of $90 per month.
As someone who is into tech but doesn’t understand what you’re saying here, is there a glossary, or wiki that I could read up on your setup? Looking to swap to the high seas this year but wanna do it in a way that’s smart and convenient.
I’m not sure if the piracy megathread or FMHY megathread cover the *arr stack specifically, but they have lots of information so I’m recommending them broadly for anyone wanting to ingest information about piracy.
Regarding what the arr stack even is:
Tldr, you set up a list of public and/or private trackers in Prowlarr or Jackett. In Radarr and Sonnar you set up movies and shows respectively that you want to keep track of. Rad/Sonarr check those trackers for releases for your tracked media matching criteria (like resolution, size, language, etc).
When it finds a matching release, it sends the torrent file or magnet link to your torrent client to download. When it finishes, Rad/Sonarr hardlink or copy the file to a library location and organize/name them according to rules you set.
You can point Jellyfin or Plex to that library location and all the media will be organized so it can easily figure out what media is there and grab metadata for it (cover images, description, ratings, etc). Then you can watch that media through Jellyfin/Plex or an app that plugs into them.
The *arrs also work with usenet if you’d prefer that over or in addition to torrenting with a vpn.
The servarr wiki and the trash guides have a lot of info on what the various pieces do and how to set them up. I didn’t strictly follow them but I’ve browsed them to get ideas on stuff like custom formats and such to get sonarr/radarr to automatically download and upgrade towards the codecs/quality that I prefer.
Personally I run Plex+jellyfin side by side to start, then sonarr/radarr/lidarr to download and organize TV/movies/music, with prowlarr to auto setup torrent sites into sonarr/radarr/lidarr, with a transmission+VPN docker container connected to each of the same 3, and finally an overseerr web ui that my friends can log into to submit requests to be auto downloaded by sonarr/radarr.
It’s a lot to set up at once, but I started out with just Plex like 10 years ago and I’ve slowly added each container as time went on so it’s only like a couple weekends a year where I tinker with it or do a migration to a new box as I moved from place to place and had different spaces available for my gear. Start with just a Plex and/or jellyfin server, you can tinker with sonarr/radarr without using it to auto download at the start. It’s still super useful for renaming / organizing files, and you can only add certain folders if you don’t want it to mess with a collection that you prefer to manually manage. Or create a new junk library folder to let it run amok with until you have it configured to your liking. Add in a torrent+VPN/Usenet downloader container to get it auto downloading when you’re ready, and when you get tired of accepting requests personally from friends, an overseerr (for Plex) or jellyseerr (for jellyfin) container they can log into with using their existing Plex/jellyfin login to have their requests automatically forwarded to the appropriate *arr app and you’ll have a fully automated low or no touch piracy setup. One of these days I’ll also get bazarr up and running to make it easier to grab subtitles too since every once in a while I download something obscure and the only torrents for it dont have subs so I manually grab them from opensubtitles or something. It feels pretty magical though when you’ve requested a series and throughout the week, you see new episodes just pop up on the recently aired/added row in Plex/jellyfin within an hour or two of the episodes airing.
Their quick start quides are pretty good.
I’d start with Radarr (Movie manager), add on Prowlarr (indexer manager), then expand from there. Once you’ve learned Radarr, the others are very similar.
After that, look into a reverse proxy along with a domain name: Nginx or Apache are the two I hear about most. I use nginx myself. This will let you access services using easily readable names (sonarr.example.com) instead of having to remember the ip+port combinations of each service (192.168.0.200:8096) as well as add https if you’re going to be exposing things like emby/jellyfin/plex publicly.
A domain can be purchased/rented from a public registrar to point at your public IP, but you can also use them entirely within your own LAN for free if you setup a local DNS server. I just use pihole for this: easy to setup+use, while providing DNS based adblocking for the whole network.
I don’t mind answering questions or providing clarification where I can. :)
Could you just connect the server and the client to the same VPN?
That’s the same as having them within the same LAN. That makes https unnecessary, but you’d still have to remember ip+port combos without a domain. The domain doesn’t need to be publicly registered unless you want services to be accessible externally without a VPN connection.
I only allow a couple of my services to be accessed directly via public domain, mostly for sharing with friends. The rest you’ve gotta be within the LAN either by wifi/ethernet or a VPN that I host.
I’d prefer to be able to setup like you have, but an always on VPN for stock Android is a PITA.
Been running openVPN as an always on VPN for stock Android for about 2 years now. Keeps it behind pihole and able to access my LAN only services.
The only issue I have is manually having to tell it to reconnect when the device restarts. Other than that it’s been no different than no vpn.
My stack runs on pi4, much less than 12$
That’s also a great option if you don’t need transcoding or tone mapping and can restrict your collection to specific codecs to ensure client compatibility. For my setup quicksync essentially is a requirement since I want to download certain items in the best quality and have remuxes in 4K HDR 7.1 for my own home theater while being able to transcode those items to multiple friends simultaneously and on the fly without needing to keep a separate 1080p copy.
So far I’ve seen around 7 simultaneous transcodes on my NUC yet the CPU usage stays below 10% because the quicksync is handling all the transcoding while sipping power (another big benefit to using QS over CPU or GPU transcoding).
Same. Even when I have a sub for something I want to watch (like Prime), it’s just easier to let *arr sort it out and tell me when a new episode is ready.
I don’t get it, the title actually says what the point is… wtf is going on here. Shouldn’t it say “#1 pirated show of 2023 revealed!!!” or “NETFLIX BEATS OUT DISNEY WITH SURPRISE PIRACY RANKING!!”
It’s almost 2024, I didn’t think meaningful titles were allowed anymore.
I will give it my clicks, as a reward.
I’d put money on Australia being the top country to pirate it, no one wants to give Foxtel money to watch a HBO show.
Because it was also the best show of 2023?
Did you know there were also more car accidents in 2023 than there were in 1823?
Also DVD release was held back from the initial advertised date (or at least if it wasn’t, nobody had it for at least a month from then). Plenty of the supposedly legit sets online - including on Amazon etc - were also clever counterfeits (I ended up with one)
I don’t see the draw. Do people like Pedro Pascal because they feel bad for his GoT character? I don’t have anything against him as a person or an actor but he seems like your average TV grade actor. Someone you would have seen ages ago in a show like LOST and forgot about. Good for him but I don’t get why people online act like he’s the best thing to happen to television
I think they like him cause he is a good actor, and usually people like watching good actors in good shows
I mean he was in GoT.
He’s the antagonist on Wonder Woman 1984.
He’s the protagonist (or at least his face) on the Mandalorian.
He’s co-protagonist in TLoU… and so on.
You might not like his acting, but he’s definitely one of the most recognizable Hollywood actors in the last 5 years.
Ah, y también es Chileno. 🇨🇱
Viva Chile Conchetumare!!! 🇨🇱🌶️
Just to highlight WW84, he was really good in what was otherwise a terrible movie. He also had a killer episode of SNL and was able to save a single sketch on the abomination that was the Bad Bunny hosted SNL episode. He was a delight on the Unbearable Weight of Massive Talent.
I liked him in Narcos
¿Y sí habla español como un chileno cualquiera?
Pues hablo inglés y español intercambiadamente según sea necesario.
Me refiero al actor, man. ¿Me estás troleando? ಠ_ಠ
There’s also other cast on the show that are all really great actors…
There’s nothing wrong with his acting, he’s consistently good in things.
Yeah, he’s a good actor. But TLOU is not that great, and more spot on, Joel’s not among his best works.
One of the few actors to actually have differentiation between his characters.
Who he is on The Bubble vs. WW84 vs. TLoU vs. The Mandalorian are all very different, much moreso than many of the “repeat cast” actors.
Arguably their characters in The Last of Us and The Mandalorian are relatively similar, at least I thought so, but I have only seen two seasons of The Mandalorian.
The characters are both fatherlike and have PTSD, yeah, but the actual acting? They are entirely different human beings who show different reactions and emotional cadences, where Din’s childhood trauma has him become the savior of himself (Grogu) - there is little anger, mostly fear which is rebuffed by his dedication to his religion, the other thing that saved him. Joel’s fear on the other hand is rebuffed by his anger. Him saving Ellie is something that he almost seems to regret because it makes him that much more afraid, but also fights through it because it’s worth it to have a chance at being a father again. He’s also an older character which he does well and probably helps a bit with that separation.
I’d say yes, the characters have similar aspects to them, but between his portrayal and the wider scope of both characters I think they’re actually quite different. Plus, in Mando he’s legitimately in the costume most of the time so not just him always, just his voice and sometimes body.
Not as a slight against Chris Pratt for this example but compare Starlord to his character in Jurassic Park - besides their backstories how they are portrayed is basically the same, down to how he cries over loss of a loved one. I don’t think it’s entirely his fault, it’s likely a symptom of the industry/writing opportunities/directing but they are pretty stark contrasts. Like for 2 characters to be so wildly different and get portrayed so similarly, compared to the 2 similar father-like characters who are portrayed so differently. When Pascal cries it’s a range from insanity (WW84) to dismay and grief (TLoU) to pain and relief (Mando)
Yeah, I can agree with that. I definitely feel like Joel is quite a lot angrier and scarier than Din, which is a pretty big difference. Joel is also far more reluctant and tries very hard not to be overly caring or become attached to Ellie, which is quite different than how Din acts overall. So, fair enough, I think I feel the same way :). But they are weirdly similar rolls at a surface level at least! I don’t think I’ve seen much of Pedro’s other rolls, but I really liked them as Joel (and Bella as Ellie), felt like they had really good chemistry and it was cool to watch their relationship develop on screen. I didn’t really like The Mandalorian all that much, everything felt a bit… stiff? None of the characters really seemed to stick around that long and it felt kind of like just watching a bunch of different short films. I think that was kind of what they were going for originally, but it felt a bit weird and disjointed with how short the seasons were, and when they started introducing more continuity it just felt like there wasn’t enough of a foundation to really support that to me. Still, it’s a really technically impressive show and they definitely picked some really hard problems to solve. Just having your main character always wear a mask and the other main character being a weird alien baby makes it a lot harder to convey emotion and stuff, so it’s impressive how well they handled all of that!
I’m with you, I’m not a fan of tlou, or him, but he was pretty funny in that nick cage movie, the immense weight of incredible talent it whatever it was called.
The most popular show is also the one most pirated…
Amazing stuff
I didn’t pirate the show at first, because I could watch it legit on the streaming service I use. But that service consistently shit the bed each Sunday when the show aired.
REALLY tried to like it. Watched the whole thing but then afterwards, I felt like I had watched nothing. The farther away I get from the show, the more I dislike it. All of the acting was great. And when they got away from the video game, the story was wonderful. But I felt like I was watching a video game - which I was in a way. And I felt like it was trying way to hard to be profound. It’s sad because I thought that “Chernobyl” was one of the best things I’ve ever watched on television.
Edit: Completely realize that this post was not about TLoU but just needed to get this off my chest. When everyone raves about it, I feel like I’ve been taking crazy pills. On the subject of the post, yes, streaming services are getting way too expensive and I think we’ll reach an inflection point soon where they will all start collapsing at once.
It’s a very plot-driven story with very little deviation from the main mission. I loved the show but I agree that the plot is especially linear (much like a video game) and without the in-between bits where you’d be playing the game in the original story the pacing can feel rushed.
I think the show could have benefited from more time with Joel and Ellie to develop their relationship but I don’t know how they could have done that without bloating the story with filler that wasn’t original to the game, which would not have gone over well.
I think I may have actually pirated this one at some point. Never intended to watch it, just a grab and seed sort of deal
