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I expected better from the comments of a community called “Uplifting”
Just block them and be done with it.
Blocking is extremely effective here compared to Reddit, they just poof out of existence and you never have to think about them again.
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Instead of making a long list of every non cis-male group
To be clear, the “long list” you’re referring to contains three entries.
Do you actually have trouble juggling that much information at once or are you just upset because you think providing help and opportunities to someone other than a cis-het man is somehow oppressing you? Be honest.
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Why do you have to be offended by everything that doesn’t align with your exact view of the world. I’m going to assume you aren’t a cis male based on your responses here, and if you are that exact attitude is where these discriminate views come from.
Alright, I’ve read enough of your inane yammering for one lifetime. Blocked.
Who said they’re offended? You were “offended” enough to make the initial comment, they just replied to counter your bad arguments.
And empowering people doesn’t mean discrimination. Especially if the people being empowered are at a disadvantage. Your comment reeks of bigoted dog whistles
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And an effective way to assure good films continue to be made is to encourage diverse perspectives in the industry. Which is what this program aims to achieve. So, if all you care about is whether or not a film is good then what exactly is your problem with an initiative meant to develop new talent? Please be specific.
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Effectively, why does the talent search need to targets a small section of society?
You should read the article. This is explained quite clearly.
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The issue is that this is a push for inclusivitiy for the sake of a push for inclusivitity - trying to create a demand where none or little currently exists.
Maybe creative workplaces should be diverse and inclusive on principle and not because we can only do things that improve sales.
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Hiring entirely cis male teams to work on projects doesn’t result in a better product. It is a fallacy to act like there’s something about being a cis man that makes them better at the job than any woman or trans worker at a similar skill level. And there are women and trans people at a similar skill level you can hire, no matter what the job is. It’s completely ridiculous to act like women and trans people are somehow able to perform at a lower level than cis men and keep their jobs/keep getting hired. It’s more like the opposite, women and trans people have to work twice as hard to be viewed as competent.
Frankly this all sounds like situations you are imagining and not how anything actually plays out in a workplace IRL, much less a creative workplace. With movie and show production it’s totally normal for people to have to sit and listen to criticisms and suggested changes to their work at least a couple of times a week, if not daily, because of the way production schedules work and how quickly things need to be revised. Anyone who started hollering racism over that would be blacklisted.
They know what they want to pay for and its the job of an industry to provide this.
As someone working in IT, this could not be more wrong.
Don’t promote an idea because of who made it, promote the idea because its a great idea.
Welcome to movies and filmmaking. You might not have experienced any of it yet and not seen movies or movie-fans yet in your life, but take some notes when you do, they sadly won’t at all align with your idealistic ideas how it ought to work.
If these people have a great idea, it should be brought to light on its own merits like all other ideas.
We don’t live in a world where you become a successful film maker purely based on merit though
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opens the divide between different parts of society
If you or others feel “divided” because of this that’s your problem. Normal people who have empathy see this and feel happy for the marginalized groups it will benefit.
Target it how? Tell people in the industry to please be nice to people they don’t like based on how they present?
Humans have biases, those small groups will inherently be the subject of bias. This is the most effective way to counter those biases, especially because having those people’s voices heard will help combat those biases.
The thing I hear the most from people who used to be transphobic, homophobic, etc. is that they got over it when they were exposed to a person of that identity. This would make that more of a possibility
I fully agree, so why don’t we target that.
How about you, James Woods, Kevin Sorbo, and Jim Caviezel get started on that and Cate Blanchett will go do her thing helping women, trans & nonbinary people.
The same part stood out to me and gave a real boomer pull yourself up by your bootstraps vibe.
Effectively, why does the talent search need to targets a small section of society
It doesn’t.
It targets a small portion of the talent search at a small section of society. As in, ensure equal chance and access.
Your first paragraph very nearly gets the point.
There is a bias in filmaking, we need to correct for this.
Who gives a shit? It’s something she’s into for her own personal reasons. Get rich and do your own thing hiring competent people.
I have a feeling there won’t be a lot of intellectual diversity or perspectives, but I also don’t give a shit what people do with their money. Let people try whatever they think will work for either their goals or their wallet. Win or lose, everything we try is data.
Maybe everything isn’t about the majority of people.
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Actually, no:
“We’re missing an enormous creative opportunity by not diversifying. We deplore creative laziness, we deplore financial laziness, and so we should therefore deplore a lack of inclusivity,” she said of the industry. “Homogeneity in any industry is the death of progress and innovation. That’s certainly the case for the creative industries. When you walk onto a set that is homogenous, you can sort of taste the outcome. The things that break through that are fresh, that have influence for the next decade, always start because someone took a risk on them.”
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I think it’s more that if everything is made by boring, rich, white men we get less of a range of perspectives.
Everyone knows creativity is driven by adversity, so having less privileged people telling stories is a no brained.
You’re right about indie, I completely agree on that
That makes no sense.
I mean, how else do you want it explained? It’s spelled out in the article why it’s the same type of problem.
As for homogeneity, that didn’t stop the Wachowski sisters from a poorly made rehashed cash grab of a Matrix movie.
Yes, and they’re in a very unique situation, and importantly, were famous before they came out. Good luck doing it the other way around. Hence Ms Blanchett doing this, it’s about giving equal chances.
I just hope she does a better job of this than the titular character she played in Tár did with her own initiative of supporting women conductors.
Long story short, everyone should see Tár.
As long as the movie is good I don’t care who made it. The industry also shouldn’t. This goes both ways: good nonbinary filmmakers should get to make movies, bad nonbinary filmmakers shouldn’t make movies just because they’re nonbinary.
Whoa!! Now I get even more chills watching LotR. Knowing IRL Galadriel supporting the quest for queerness. 🥰
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That’s never been the case though. It’s all about connections. You could have the greatest script ever, but if you don’t know the right people with money it’s not getting made.
Until recently Hollywood has very much been an old white guy’s party. Old white guys tend not to be very accepting of others.
So, as an old white guy, I will say: this doesn’t bother me.
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