IDF identifies hostages killed as Yotam Haim, Alon Shamriz and Samer El-Talalqa, saying they were mistakenly believed to be a threat
  • @Garbanzo@lemmy.worldEnglish
    91•7 months ago

    There must have been a tragic and bizarre set of circumstances to lead to this. The IDF has assured us that they’re taking great measures to avoid civilian casualties, and their actions are fully legal and justified. Those hostages must have escaped and taken up arms and attacked the Israeli soldiers by mistake, because otherwise they couldn’t possibly have been mistaken for combatants. I’m just flabbergasted, no one could have foreseen something like this happening. It’s really shocking.

    • Avid AmoebaEnglish
      21•7 months ago

      I read the first part of this comment… then I read the second. 🥇

          • proleEnglish
            21•7 months ago

            Yeah, I’m not going to disagree with the condemnation of the terrorist attack. That said, Israel has been, objectively, committing war crimes for decades now unpunished.

            Two wrongs don’t make a right, not justifying just explaining, and all that.

              • @sknowmads@dormi.zoneEnglish
                11•7 months ago

                Fully agree Israel has a right to defend itself but what it seems to be doing now is more akin to invasive eradication than defense. They are on the offensive. Why does 1.2K dead in Israel justify 18K dead, hospitals targeted and destroyed, and a forced emigration of citizens in Gaza?

                If a terrorist organization ruled the US I’m sure more than half the country would vote in support either out of blind nationalism or fear. Putin’s got >90% support, eh? I don’t think it’s fair to say any recent election in Gaza is unbiased. It would also seem not so unreasonable that to the people of Gaza, Hamas looks more friendly than Israel recently.

              • proleEnglish
                2•7 months ago

                Take my upvote, a rare one on the worldnews group.

                After reading past your first paragraph, I’m not sure I want it from you.

                Hamas is a reaction to the mess, not its “designer.”

          • @cerement@slrpnk.netEnglish
            16•7 months ago

            your apology for terrorists and war crimes and settler colonialism and genocide by the elected government of Israel says everything

        • @fluxion@lemmy.worldEnglish
          4•7 months ago

          As much as I disagree with the comment you’re responding to, this is such a bullshit characterization of Hamas’ initial and grotesque slaughter of random Israeli civilians. That behavior is never justified.

          • NoneOfUrBusiness
            24•7 months ago

            So a distinction needs to be made here:

            Hamas soldiers committed a number of unforgiveable atrocities on October 7th. That said, the attack itself was against military targets for clear military and political goals, and until we get evidence to the contrary didn’t include orders to intentionally kill civilians. Again, not defending anyone who committed atrocities during or after the attack, but the idea that the 1200 were all mercilessly killed by Hamas is Israeli propaganda. 30% were IDF personnel, and out of the other 70% some died to reckless IDF fire (remember the helicopter that opened fire on the festival?), some died in the crossfire, and some were actually killed by the IDF to take out Hamas soldier who were taking them hostage.

            That is to say, October 7th wasn’t simply grotesque slaughter of random Israeli civilians, and we don’t have evidence Hamas leadership gave any orders for that.

          • proleEnglish
            11•7 months ago

            I think you have it backwards. Bibi is the reason Hamas is in power.

            Maybe there’s some truth to it the way you said it, but this is literally objective reality. He directly supported Hamas.

              • @cerement@slrpnk.netEnglish
                5•7 months ago

                Hamas has been trying to make this conflict happen their entire existence

                Hamas wouldn’t exist without the atrocities of Israel and the IOF – Hamas was created afterwards (long afterwards)

          • @machinin@lemmy.worldEnglish
            10•7 months ago

            At this point, what is the difference between Hamas and the IDF? The only difference is the amount of weapons and money behind the 2 groups.

            It’s not just the hip thing to say. The IDF is a genocidal tool of the Israeli state terrorizing the Palestinian people.

              • @machinin@lemmy.worldEnglish
                12•7 months ago

                I’m sure the 18,000+ dead civilians appreciate the fact that they weren’t openly trying to be killed. I’m sure the thousands of civilians in detention without charges are also glad to hear that the IDF isn’t doing all this out in the open.

                Israel is a genocidal state terrorizing the Palestinian people. It must be broken.

      • @shiroininja@lemmy.worldEnglish
        20•7 months ago

        Why can’t both be wrong? Neither deserves the land. I’m at the point where I’m starting to think everyone should be removed from the area of Israel and Gaza, etc. and it be declared a world heritage site with a visitor center and museum by each of the three Abrahamic religions/cultures and nobody allowed to actually live there. Everyone gets their holy land visitation and nobody owns it. The states there were artificially created, and they can be removed

        • @cerement@slrpnk.netEnglish
          6•7 months ago

          three Abrahamic religions

          so nothing for Yezidis, Zoroastrians, or any other pre-Abrahamic religions?

        • @Crashumbc@lemmy.worldEnglish
          3•7 months ago

          I agree except instead of museums. Nuclear bomb the whole fucking area. So there isn’t a pebble left and the whole area is irritated for a thousand years.

          These religious nut jobs will NEVER give up as long as there is something there. I’m generally a preserve history buff, but while ANY of these cults exist there will be no peace…

        • proleEnglish
          3•7 months ago

          That would be cool, but who would administer this site, the UN? And I imagine there would be attacks on the site from both (if not three, if you include crazy Evangelicals) sides trying to reclaim it.

          As long as these Abrahamic religions are around, people will be fighting over that land so it seems. Truly a benevolent and merciful god.

      • @Cpo@lemm.eeEnglish
        12•7 months ago

        Yeah attacking refugee camps, hospitals and private residences will ensure peace for sure.

        /s

        The number of future terrorists will only increase in numbers because people will have destroyed homes and murdered innocent brothers and fathers to avenge.

        FYI: Most people there just make due with what they have and do not even support Hamas.

        • proleEnglish
          7•7 months ago

          The number of future terrorists will only increase in numbers because people will have destroyed homes and murdered innocent brothers and fathers to avenge.

          Which is exactly why Bibi funded Hamas. Nationalism is a cancer, no matter where it is.

          • @theluckyone@lemmy.worldEnglish
            9•7 months ago

            Three Israeli hostages get killed by IDF forces, that’s a tragedy. Two civilians in Gaza get killed by IDF forces for every Hamas fighter killed? “Regrettable but tremendously positive.”

            Having no Hamas present never protected the West Bank from Israeli.

            Hamas, the Israeli government, and the IDF are all murderers.

              • @theluckyone@lemmy.worldEnglish
                11•7 months ago

                Don’t put words in my mouth.

                Israeli says three deaths of their hostages is a tragedy, while thousands of Gaza civilians dying is “tremendously positive.”

                I’m pointing out their rampant hypocrisy and blatant disregard for their fellow man… If you believe the same, you’re just as morally and ethically bankrupt.

      • @filister@lemmy.worldEnglish
        9•7 months ago

        What about the other potentially tens of thousands “mistakenly” killed civilians or are we pretending that only those three were mistaken?

      • ShroOmericEnglish
        8•7 months ago

        I see no difference between Hamas and Israel, so you can go on and eradicate both if that’s your solution.

  • @filister@lemmy.worldEnglish
    57•7 months ago

    An initial IDF probe into the hostage killing incident suggests all three men were shirtless, with one carrying a makeshift white flag.

    On seeing them, one Israeli soldier shouted “terrorists!” to the other forces, initiating fire at the men, according to reports.

    While two hostages were hit immediately and fell to the ground, the third managed to escape into a nearby building where despite pleas in Hebrew, he was also shot and killed, a military official said.

    So what happened we do our outmost to protect civilian lives? Because believing that this is the first time something like this to happen in Gaza is rather naïve.

    • chaogomu
      6•7 months ago

      I do love how quickly that episode has been memed.

      And the dance number. Got to love a villain that’s having fun with it.

      Well, a fictional villain that has fun with their villainy. The real world examples are much less fun.

  • @AdamEatsAss@lemmy.worldEnglish
    27•7 months ago

    It happens. I guess it’s good they admitted it instead of just saying Hamas killed them? If only in the thousands of years humans have been alive we could found a way to resolve conflict without killing.

    • @theluckyone@lemmy.worldEnglish
      13•7 months ago

      It reveals their character. Kill a few hostages by mistake? That’s a tragedy. Kill two civilians in Gaza per Hamas fighter? Regrettable, but “tremendously positive.”

      Hamas, the Israeli government, and the IDF are three sides of the same die: murderers with no respect for their fellow human.

  • @dukatos@lemm.eeEnglish
    19•7 months ago
    • IDF shot unarmed civilians waving white flag
    • target was unarmed and not returning fire yet IDF killed just 2 of 3 at first try
    • IDF was scared
    • IDF didn’t follow orders

    Great army /s

  • @Doorbook@lemmy.worldEnglish
    10•7 months ago

    Biden can you support Isreal to defend itself against the IDF by not giving them anymore money or guns…

  • AutoTL;DRBEnglish
    3•7 months ago

    This is the best summary I could come up with:

    The Israeli military has said that its troops shot and killed three hostages being held by Hamas after mistakenly identifying them as a threat during fighting in a battle-torn neighbourhood of Gaza City.

    The announcement on Friday came amid heavy fighting across the embattled territory that led to an influx of dead and wounded into hospitals in Deir al-Balah, Khan Younis and Rafah.

    Al Jazeera initially said that video journalist Samer Abu Daqqa and its chief correspondent in Gaza, Wael al-Dahdouh, had been injured by shrapnel when they were reporting at a school that had been hit by an earlier airstrike.

    Earlier on Friday, the IDF recovered the bodies of three other hostages in Gaza: Elya Toledano, 28, a French-Israeli civilian, and two soldiers, Nik Beizer and Ron Scherman, both 19.

    Families of the hostages said this week they were “shocked” by the announcement by the director of Israeli intelligence agency the Mossad that he was refusing to conduct new negotiations to free them, and demanded an explanation from the authorities.

    A resident of Tel Aviv, he was at the Nova music festival along with his friend and fellow French-Israeli Mia Schem, who was released under a truce agreement at the end of November.

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