Yeah, I’m not going to disagree with the condemnation of the terrorist attack. That said, Israel has been, objectively, committing war crimes for decades now unpunished.
Two wrongs don’t make a right, not justifying just explaining, and all that.
Fully agree Israel has a right to defend itself but what it seems to be doing now is more akin to invasive eradication than defense. They are on the offensive. Why does 1.2K dead in Israel justify 18K dead, hospitals targeted and destroyed, and a forced emigration of citizens in Gaza?
If a terrorist organization ruled the US I’m sure more than half the country would vote in support either out of blind nationalism or fear. Putin’s got >90% support, eh? I don’t think it’s fair to say any recent election in Gaza is unbiased. It would also seem not so unreasonable that to the people of Gaza, Hamas looks more friendly than Israel recently.
The main difference is the power dynamic. One of those groups has all of the power, including the backing of the US military, while the other is a reaction to oppression.
Only one of those two parties has the power to end all of this right now.
Yes, terrorism is one potential reaction/outcome of brutal occupation and oppression. There is a difference between explaining something and condoning it.
As much as I disagree with the comment you’re responding to, this is such a bullshit characterization of Hamas’ initial and grotesque slaughter of random Israeli civilians. That behavior is never justified.
Hamas soldiers committed a number of unforgiveable atrocities on October 7th. That said, the attack itself was against military targets for clear military and political goals, and until we get evidence to the contrary didn’t include orders to intentionally kill civilians. Again, not defending anyone who committed atrocities during or after the attack, but the idea that the 1200 were all mercilessly killed by Hamas is Israeli propaganda. 30% were IDF personnel, and out of the other 70% some died to reckless IDF fire (remember the helicopter that opened fire on the festival?), some died in the crossfire, and some were actually killed by the IDF to take out Hamas soldier who were taking them hostage.
That is to say, October 7th wasn’t simply grotesque slaughter of random Israeli civilians, and we don’t have evidence Hamas leadership gave any orders for that.
There it is. Showing your true colors. Pretending to be “open minded” about the subject, or have any interest whatsoever in an honest dialogue.
No sane person with an ounce of critical thinking ability, would read that comment and believe at face value that this is 100% the full story. Everything was unprovoked. Right.
I’m sure the 18,000+ dead civilians appreciate the fact that they weren’t openly trying to be killed. I’m sure the thousands of civilians in detention without charges are also glad to hear that the IDF isn’t doing all this out in the open.
Israel is a genocidal state terrorizing the Palestinian people. It must be broken.
For me, I prefer trying the IDF and Israeli leadership for war crimes, but it seems Israeli supporters are happy to just keep killing and killing and killing some more.
So just to make this as clear as possible 100% of the blame is on Hamas and what the IDF is doing is completely understandable and warranted? Is that what you’re saying?
Why can’t both be wrong? Neither deserves the land. I’m at the point where I’m starting to think everyone should be removed from the area of Israel and Gaza, etc. and it be declared a world heritage site with a visitor center and museum by each of the three Abrahamic religions/cultures and nobody allowed to actually live there. Everyone gets their holy land visitation and nobody owns it. The states there were artificially created, and they can be removed
That would be cool, but who would administer this site, the UN? And I imagine there would be attacks on the site from both (if not three, if you include crazy Evangelicals) sides trying to reclaim it.
As long as these Abrahamic religions are around, people will be fighting over that land so it seems. Truly a benevolent and merciful god.
I agree except instead of museums. Nuclear bomb the whole fucking area. So there isn’t a pebble left and the whole area is irritated for a thousand years.
These religious nut jobs will NEVER give up as long as there is something there. I’m generally a preserve history buff, but while ANY of these cults exist there will be no peace…
Yeah attacking refugee camps, hospitals and private residences will ensure peace for sure.
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The number of future terrorists will only increase in numbers because people will have destroyed homes and murdered innocent brothers and fathers to avenge.
FYI: Most people there just make due with what they have and do not even support Hamas.
The number of future terrorists will only increase in numbers because people will have destroyed homes and murdered innocent brothers and fathers to avenge.
Which is exactly why Bibi funded Hamas. Nationalism is a cancer, no matter where it is.
Three Israeli hostages get killed by IDF forces, that’s a tragedy. Two civilians in Gaza get killed by IDF forces for every Hamas fighter killed? “Regrettable but tremendously positive.”
Having no Hamas present never protected the West Bank from Israeli.
Hamas, the Israeli government, and the IDF are all murderers.
Israeli says three deaths of their hostages is a tragedy, while thousands of Gaza civilians dying is “tremendously positive.”
I’m pointing out their rampant hypocrisy and blatant disregard for their fellow man… If you believe the same, you’re just as morally and ethically bankrupt.
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how dare the prisoners of a concentration camp strike back at their guards! for shame!
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Yeah, I’m not going to disagree with the condemnation of the terrorist attack. That said, Israel has been, objectively, committing war crimes for decades now unpunished.
Two wrongs don’t make a right, not justifying just explaining, and all that.
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Fully agree Israel has a right to defend itself but what it seems to be doing now is more akin to invasive eradication than defense. They are on the offensive. Why does 1.2K dead in Israel justify 18K dead, hospitals targeted and destroyed, and a forced emigration of citizens in Gaza?
If a terrorist organization ruled the US I’m sure more than half the country would vote in support either out of blind nationalism or fear. Putin’s got >90% support, eh? I don’t think it’s fair to say any recent election in Gaza is unbiased. It would also seem not so unreasonable that to the people of Gaza, Hamas looks more friendly than Israel recently.
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If you replace every occurrence of hamas with nethanyahu your comments makes half sense
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The main difference is the power dynamic. One of those groups has all of the power, including the backing of the US military, while the other is a reaction to oppression.
Only one of those two parties has the power to end all of this right now.
Pompous know it nothing
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If I could…
After reading past your first paragraph, I’m not sure I want it from you.
Hamas is a reaction to the mess, not its “designer.”
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Yes, terrorism is one potential reaction/outcome of brutal occupation and oppression. There is a difference between explaining something and condoning it.
your apology for terrorists and war crimes and settler colonialism and genocide by the elected government of Israel says everything
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As much as I disagree with the comment you’re responding to, this is such a bullshit characterization of Hamas’ initial and grotesque slaughter of random Israeli civilians. That behavior is never justified.
So a distinction needs to be made here:
Hamas soldiers committed a number of unforgiveable atrocities on October 7th. That said, the attack itself was against military targets for clear military and political goals, and until we get evidence to the contrary didn’t include orders to intentionally kill civilians. Again, not defending anyone who committed atrocities during or after the attack, but the idea that the 1200 were all mercilessly killed by Hamas is Israeli propaganda. 30% were IDF personnel, and out of the other 70% some died to reckless IDF fire (remember the helicopter that opened fire on the festival?), some died in the crossfire, and some were actually killed by the IDF to take out Hamas soldier who were taking them hostage.
That is to say, October 7th wasn’t simply grotesque slaughter of random Israeli civilians, and we don’t have evidence Hamas leadership gave any orders for that.
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Eliminate Likud and the IDF while we’re at it. Eliminate all terrorists from the area.
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I think you have it backwards. Bibi is the reason Hamas is in power.
Maybe there’s some truth to it the way you said it, but this is literally objective reality. He directly supported Hamas.
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Hamas wouldn’t exist without the atrocities of Israel and the IOF – Hamas was created afterwards (long afterwards)
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There it is. Showing your true colors. Pretending to be “open minded” about the subject, or have any interest whatsoever in an honest dialogue.
No sane person with an ounce of critical thinking ability, would read that comment and believe at face value that this is 100% the full story. Everything was unprovoked. Right.
At this point, what is the difference between Hamas and the IDF? The only difference is the amount of weapons and money behind the 2 groups.
It’s not just the hip thing to say. The IDF is a genocidal tool of the Israeli state terrorizing the Palestinian people.
(difference is Hamas was founded 40 years later)
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I’m sure the 18,000+ dead civilians appreciate the fact that they weren’t openly trying to be killed. I’m sure the thousands of civilians in detention without charges are also glad to hear that the IDF isn’t doing all this out in the open.
Israel is a genocidal state terrorizing the Palestinian people. It must be broken.
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For me, I prefer trying the IDF and Israeli leadership for war crimes, but it seems Israeli supporters are happy to just keep killing and killing and killing some more.
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So just to make this as clear as possible 100% of the blame is on Hamas and what the IDF is doing is completely understandable and warranted? Is that what you’re saying?
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like how supporters of the genocide like to split hairs and quibble over the definition of genocide rather than just admit “genocide is bad”
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Why can’t both be wrong? Neither deserves the land. I’m at the point where I’m starting to think everyone should be removed from the area of Israel and Gaza, etc. and it be declared a world heritage site with a visitor center and museum by each of the three Abrahamic religions/cultures and nobody allowed to actually live there. Everyone gets their holy land visitation and nobody owns it. The states there were artificially created, and they can be removed
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Holy fucking shit, we agree on something!
so nothing for Yezidis, Zoroastrians, or any other pre-Abrahamic religions?
I mean they seem fine. It’s the abrahamic ones that don’t seem able to share
That would be cool, but who would administer this site, the UN? And I imagine there would be attacks on the site from both (if not three, if you include crazy Evangelicals) sides trying to reclaim it.
As long as these Abrahamic religions are around, people will be fighting over that land so it seems. Truly a benevolent and merciful god.
I agree except instead of museums. Nuclear bomb the whole fucking area. So there isn’t a pebble left and the whole area is irritated for a thousand years.
These religious nut jobs will NEVER give up as long as there is something there. I’m generally a preserve history buff, but while ANY of these cults exist there will be no peace…
So basically the Baha’i method
Make it a Disney World
Oh, here is riverELECTEDmonster again
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You think that Hamas would let girls work in education?
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Yeah attacking refugee camps, hospitals and private residences will ensure peace for sure.
/s
The number of future terrorists will only increase in numbers because people will have destroyed homes and murdered innocent brothers and fathers to avenge.
FYI: Most people there just make due with what they have and do not even support Hamas.
Which is exactly why Bibi funded Hamas. Nationalism is a cancer, no matter where it is.
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Three Israeli hostages get killed by IDF forces, that’s a tragedy. Two civilians in Gaza get killed by IDF forces for every Hamas fighter killed? “Regrettable but tremendously positive.”
Having no Hamas present never protected the West Bank from Israeli.
Hamas, the Israeli government, and the IDF are all murderers.
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Don’t put words in my mouth.
Israeli says three deaths of their hostages is a tragedy, while thousands of Gaza civilians dying is “tremendously positive.”
I’m pointing out their rampant hypocrisy and blatant disregard for their fellow man… If you believe the same, you’re just as morally and ethically bankrupt.
Feck off with your xenophobic shit talk.
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Maybe there will even be Palestinians alive after all of this is done. Who knows?
What about the other potentially tens of thousands “mistakenly” killed civilians or are we pretending that only those three were mistaken?
I see no difference between Hamas and Israel, so you can go on and eradicate both if that’s your solution.
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