I personally am quite against it. I joined Lemmy to stay away from the toxicity on Meta’s platforms. I don’t want any corporate bodies on the fediverse either and possibly doing to the fediverse what Google did to XMPP
We have completely blocked and defederated from threads given the uncontrolled transphobia taking place there
Seems clear to me that Facebook should have no other interest in this other than ultimately making money. Thus it is antithetical to Lemmy and the fediverse in general, and should be treated as such.
I don’t think they’re there to make money. They want to take over the place and then absorb it in other to eliminate competition. Which is what they’ve always been doing.
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I mean, yeah, the end game there is to make money. They don’t want to take it over for brownie points.
Not really, they’re businesses that sell fediverse hosting, right?
While I’m sure that one-click hosting for fediverse instances exist, I’d imagine most instance admins would be using general dedicated server hosting. It would allow for finer control of the backend.
My main mastodon uses one of the hosted services, which I’m totally fine with. Moderating a community is hard enough without adding extra sysadmin work on top, and I’m happy to donate towards the running costs whatever way the admins choose is best to run it.
Yeah, I don’t get the comparison of activity pub and xnpp.
An accurate comparison is email and activity pub
what makes you say that? afaik xmpp and email are very similar, and what happened to xmpp coul very much repeat with email, if we arent careful
Agreeing with the general sentiment. Anytime the big five ‘engage’ with the open source community they just use and abuse it. IMHO it would be in the best interest of the Fediverse to reject all partnership offers from the corps and make sure to defederate any instances they stand up.
You do realize that most of these projects are funded by cooperations, right? You do realize that the EU has a mastodon instance, right? You do realize that Mozilla has a mastodon instance, right? You also realize that mastodon is a cooperation rigbt? (Granted it is a nonprofit).
You do realize that most mastodon instantces are in some way affilated with a cooperation, right? Just by proxy. Using their servers, etc
I’m still trying to figure out meta’s Intention’s, I have no problem meta monetizing their app. There is zero problems there.
The intention is to hoover up user data and capitalize on it.
Why are you defending Meta so much
Their username starts with FBI, coincidence? I think not
Isn’t Mastodon a GmbH? (Basically the German equivalent to a LLC)
They really think we never learned from google+ or WhatsApp? They implement OpenSource, greedy milk it to the ground and close it or set their propetary code over it. Nothing has changed, we should be worried about activitypub since the greedy five are interested in it.
did whatsapp ever allow communication with other instances?
I can already see it. They will offer a solution to the identity “problem”, moving user accounts to their network. They will offer “free” hosting solutions so that more people can run communities without self-hosting. Over the course of years they will slowly inject ads, tracking, the typical enshitificaton fare.
I’m tired.
I doubt it will take them years to inject ads. It’s Meta we’re talking about
This article sums it up very well: https://ploum.net/2023-06-23-how-to-kill-decentralised-networks.html
Good read…thanks for the link.
Existing conversation over here: https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/638694
Ty
Thank god Kbin allows to block an entire instance. Although I’d prefer if the fediverse collectively defederated from them.
One thing they’ve started mentioning over on Mastodon is that boosts can probably be legally used to build ad profiles.
I’m sure the GDPR won’t cause them any problems in that regard, just like there haven’t been repeated rulings from the ECJ that that’s not okay to do with Facebook user data.
It isn’t available in Europe because it’s literally illegal here
Assuming they ever even launch in Europe.
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It’s literally true, can you just stop this meta-dickriding?
Absolutely terrible. No cooperation should force users to creat a proprietary account for using the fediverse. Also meta evil.
The fact that Threads won’t launch in Europe because it’s literally illegal there tells me everything I need to know about this platform. Do not trust Facebook, do not federate with Facebook.
If only US would have sane laws too…
As I said in another post, this oddly reminds me of the XMPP days and how Facebook and Google supported it in the beginning and then dumped it once they had enough users over to their side.
Literally my first exposure to Threads as an active web service tells me that even if it weren’t a blatant attempt at Embrace-Extend-Extinguish, you do not want to be federated with it. All your “favourites” from Twitter are there.
Jesus Christ how horrifying
I can’t imagine Meta believes in the general ethos of the Fediverse, not for one minute. It’s pretty clear how corporations act to dominate or disrupt anything they perceive as threatening their consolidation over “the market”. If the Fediverse gains real traction that’s going to be a problem for them and they will act accordingly.
One of the cool things about fediverse is from what I’ve seen, less toxicity in general. Seeing that most twitter users will use threads is scaring the shit out of me, I definitely don’t want crazy people being super toxic for no reason here in the fediverse
