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Florida’s state athletic board fined a high school and put it on probation Tuesday after a transgender student played on the girls volleyball team, a violation of a controversial law enacted by Gov. Ron DeSantis and the Legislature.
The Florida High School Athletic Association fined Monarch High $16,500, ordered the principal and athletic director to attend rules seminars and placed the suburban Fort Lauderdale school on probation for 11 months, meaning further violations could lead to increased punishments. The association also barred the girl from participating in boys sports for 11 months.
The 2021 law, which supporters named “The Fairness in Women’s Sports Act,” bars transgender girls and women from playing on public school teams intended for student athletes identified as girls at birth.
The student, a 10th grader who played in 33 matches over the last two seasons, was removed from the team last month after the Broward County School District was notified by an anonymous tipster about her participation. Her removal led hundreds of Monarch students to walk out of class two weeks ago in protest.
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Florida is such a shithole state
It’s intentional.
Make a state shitty enough that everyone with a brain leaves and Republicans get two locked in Senators along with the electoral college votes for president.
-Sent from a shitty red state I refuse to give up on
Yup.
-Sent from the awesome blue state I fled to from Florida
(I’m trans. Florida has never been worth dying for.)
Most definitely. Ohioan checking in.
Oh no… there’s a lot more wrong with Ohio than just Conservatives.
It really is just more and more of an endless cesspool the longer you look at it.
The whammy is when your hell hole state is low cost of living, so you get paid too little to be able to afford to leave. It’s also hard to be competitive when you rank LOL in education. They know if they keep us poor we can’t afford to leave.
It sucks, because I can feel the hostility towards my existence. I can’t safely pursue my career here. I’m done fighting for my state but I can’t get the fuck out.
It’s pretty fucked up when we need to start having non-profits take in refugees from a different state.
Texas?
Interesting how conservatives act like they really care about women’s sports if a trans girl is playing on the team, but they were over the moon when the USWNT got knocked out of the World Cup. And don’t even suggest they go to a WNBA game.
I remember the conservative shit fest they had over USWNT asking for equal pay to the men’s team.
To be fair the USWNT was full of shit on the equal pay thing
I tried researching it after watching the ‘LFG’ documentary and most sites were MRA bluster. What did you find out?
You uhhhh, didn’t read past the first couple paragraphs did you? It was some rather selective accounting.
Cordeiro’s letter stipulated that the totals do not include money received by U.S. Soccer from FIFA for World Cup bonuses. With that money included, federation analysis said that the men earned $41 million for the same nine-year period, compared to $39.7 million for the women.
Considering that revenue and profits for the men’s world cup ABSOLUTELY DWARF the women’s world cup this makes perfect sense. And considering the huge gap in revenue and profit a $1.3 million differences is completely acceptable
And then literally everyone else involved said the numbers they presented were false and selective.
Her removal led hundreds of Monarch students to walk out of class two weeks ago in protest.
The kids are alright.
Zoomers are vastly more progressive than any previous generation. It’s why republicans have such a laser focus on schools and children media. If they don’t actively do indoctrination the voter base is just going to naturally shift left.
But boy howdy when they go right they go WAY right
There could not be a more stark divide in attitudes, in my workplace, than between the boomers who are on the brink retiring, and the new kids fresh out of college. It gives me some hope for the future.
It’s not black and white, there are outliers, but by and large the boomers are fucking toxic. Good riddance.
Whats a Monarch Student? Is there an emperor one?
Just in training to arch Venture, nothing to see here.
Every good trans girl should follow in the footsteps of Dr. Mrs. The Monarch
Only once tho
When I was in school, there was only girls volleyball and no boy’s volleyball team so I have a question, say the person in this article wasn’t transgender but it was a boy (born with male genitalia and identifying as a male) who wanted to play volleyball. If there were no boy’s volleyball team at the school, would he be allowed to play on the girl’s team? I only ask because isn’t that how Title 9 has been interpreted?
This is anecdotal but I played hockey in high school and wrestled one year, we had a girl on our hockey team because we had no girl’s hockey team, she was a lot better than me too, I also remember one of our wrestlers wrestling a girl from another school because there was no girl’s wrestling team. There were no issues in either of those cases.
Regardless of all that, if there’s only one volleyball team at the school and it’s an all women sport, if a boy or transgender girl wants to play, it seems to me they should be allowed on that team if there’s no other opportunities for them to play.
I’ll finish this by saying: I am one person and these are my thoughts not a strong opinion that I’m going to live or die by so I don’t want to start an argument , just a discussion.
Yeah, I worked at a school where a cis girl played on a football team where all the other players were boys. It was never a problem.
Way before women’s football or soccer if anyone prefers girls would have had to play on boys teams because there were very few girls teams/clubs and honestly ten year olds aren’t going to give a shit if a girl wants to kick a ball around with them.
I’ve heard some roller derby teams doing this when their attendance numbers are low. They just ask the team and have a vote to see if people are comfortable or not. According to this: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Title_IX
It prohibits sex-based discrimination in any school or any other education program that receives funding from the federal government.
You would be allowed.
I think this has always been the case when there is no other team. Its hard to say though as I cannot imaging a boy trying to play on the girls team when the boys is an option. high school is hard enough as it is.
I’m hopeful these ideals are changing for the better with gen z
yeah I don’t think they were ideals really but if gen z has somehow eliminated peer pressure and bullying then I suppose.
If people are interested, it’s easy to find a case by case solution, which fits best the given situation - but some people are just asholes or populist so others have to suffer.
Nope you’re right. We had a girl on our high school hockey team too. High school sports have been put on some kind of pedestal in parts of our country. Like it’s the Olympics or something. It’s literally just supposed to be another avenue of teaching and socialization. Building confidence and the ability to work in teams effectively
Honestly we should go to the other extreme. Stop even keeping score in high school sports.
Edit - At risk of dating myself I do want to point out, this was 20 years ago. Just to show how made up this issue is now.
Im in Australia, but we had three girls join our under 16 rugby league team years ago because there was no girls teams. Noone had a problem with it as far as i remember.
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Conservatives think that every girl athlete is inferior to every boy athlete.
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They think that trans girls aren’t girls; they’re just boys who have been convinced by some evil liberal plot to pretend to be girls.
So they think a trans girl gives some sort of advantage that the other girl athletes can’t possibly overcome.
Of course, more than five years ago or so they didn’t give a flying fuck about girl’s or women’s sports (and they still don’t insofar as they can use them for vice-signalling political wedges.)
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I wanted to play volleyball in high school, but they just looked at me like I was a nut.
So glad we fixed climate change, wealth inequality, bigotry, rising fascism, homelessness, etc so we can work on the real issues.
According to armchair analysts, isn’t she supposed to be dominating all high school volleyball in it’s entirety like some ‘hopped up on E’ ubermensch? /s
If not, then why is there separate mens and womens teams at all?
It’s an antiquated tradition, but the field of athletics isn’t exactly known for embracing progress and change
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Thanks for demonstrating, you sound just like the transphobes
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I used to actually try to reason with people like you, with citations and ethical appeals – the whole nine yards.
But you know what I learned? You can’t logic someone out of a position they didn’t logic themselves into.
No matter what anyone says, you lot really want to use those skull calipers, and ain’t no data, logic, or ethics going to stop you.
And yes, it’s absolutely bigoted and sexist to imply that activities should be segregated by gender. That’s objectively a bigoted opinion. You just don’t want to admit it, because it would mean you choose to be a bad person.
Again, you won’t let something like an objective fact stop you, so far be it from me to waste my time with people like you.
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Something else came to mind while reading this article:
https://www.theatlantic.com/culture/archive/2022/09/sports-gender-sex-segregation-coed/671460/“There are players on teams that we play that are faster than me, that are stronger than me, that can hit the ball harder than me. So I knew that [the league’s] arguments didn’t really have any basis in that regard.”
This is what I’ve experienced in roller derby. The only thing carrying me is that I was taught how to ice skate and play hockey since I was 4. Again, pointing to a socializing aspect rather than a “gendered” thing.
The funny part is volleyball is a perfect example of how to separate men’s and women’s sports. The women’s net is 8 inches lower than the men’s. The men are still faster/stronger and hit harder, and the women’s games are still fun to watch. Why not alter the playing field since the sexes aren’t physically equal? Make the NBA hoop lower, make the women’s soccer field smaller. There is a lot that can be done.
Not sure. Here’s a good journal article discussing it.
https://www.jstor.org/stable/24757601Tradition. Because some people can’t handle that little Billy is never going to play at a higher level than the high school team?
All sorts of reasons. None of them are good though.
Glad to see the school has some common sense. The principal and athletic director pushed to keep her on the team. Great classmates as well, learning to make their voice heard.
Wait if you can’t discuss sexuality or gender issues in school how do they know. Codewords? Charades?
Don’t be silly, that law was never going to be used against conservatives.
The high school should fine Florida for mentioning gender within 100 feet of a school
Or we should fine everyone for mentioning Florida.
Enlightened neckbeards with shitty takes about this in three, two…
Self fulfilling prophecy, it seems. 🤨
“Be the neckbeard you wish to see in this thread” I guess
I’m glad the reporting on this is easy to understand and digest.
Usually any transgender reporting makes it very confusing who is doing what because the reporter is stepping on eggshells when referring to gender.
The association also barred the girl from participating in boys sports for 11 months.
Short, sweet, and to the point. Not that I support them doing this, but at least it’s clear to me what they’re doing.
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“Some of you assholes are begging to be tread on by the government” and " Small government to HELP you, not make your life miserable!" In all good book stores…errr. sorry no, we closed those…on fox News and your favorite right wing talking head near you!
Yep, this is where effort should be spent. 😒
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Trans woman have lower muscle mass and strength then average cis females after being HRT.
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So we’re protecting the system against the outliers? So we’re blocking naturally muscular or otherwise more athletic cis girls from playing? Really tall basketball players? Runners who are just naturally faster? How do you judge they fall too far outside the median range?
Or have you given this no thought and you just think boy things are for boys and girl things for girls and you stopped learning at age 3?
Not to mention that these are already outliers within outliers. Trans people make up like 0.01% of the population, and how many of those are not only still in middle/high school, but also play competitive sports? We’re probably talking a couple dozen people total.
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What were you saying then? What was your point of saying “not always the case.”?
What are we protecting women’s sports from? It’s weird, I hear more about how transgender women are a threat to women’s sports than I do about actual women’s sports. It seems like drama over a trans women being on a sports team is more important than the actual sports. I very rarely see headlines about women’s sports. I’m not into sports at all, but I can name Kyrie Irving, Draemond Green and a fuckton of other men’s basketball players. I can’t think of any women.
It’s just very difficult to take these arguments about “protecting” women’s sports seriously when they only seem to matter when it’s time to use them as a cudgel. I wish the energy would be redirected - advocating for equal pay, more coverage, showing up to local games. Title 9 be damned, the girls volleyball team doesn’t have half the budget of the boys football. A handful of trans kids playing is such a non-issue compared with all of the other shit going on in the failing education system. The Olympics have allowed trans women to play for ages, and no one really gave a crap until trans people became the new target.
Why do children play sports in school? My understanding was that it was for character building - developing discipline, communication skills, etc etc. The competitive aspect is important yes, but at the end of the day the purpose is to help develop the child. There is harm done in denying a child the opportunity to participate in sports - there are lots of kids who only come to school because of sports. Trans kids need a coach they can talk with and a team they can feel a part of too.
What about cis women with heightened testosterone levels then? They won’t exactly be beholden to strict requirements like a trans woman with regulated testosterone will.
There’s biological variance at play in all of sports, if you start going there, you have to start asking yourself what your actual goal is? Is it protecting minorities and disadvantaged people? Or is it something akin to weight classes? Or… what?
Either way you put it, either you allow trans women in women’s sports, or you rework the system to be based on your biology in some way, separated into classes like testosterone level, body weight, how tal you are… etc. Otherwise you will either be inconsistent in your ruling, or exclude some cis women which is what you specifically tried to avoid in the first place.
The simple solution is to have 1 division for good players and another division for everyone else.
They have that. It’s called high school sports. And then afterwards, intramural sports. For competitive teams there’s private clubs and college/professional leagues.
Ok.
Why? What do you imagine is the harm caused by allowing all women to participate?
Oh no! Not high school sports! Whatever will we do?!?
