Hamas tried to sneak its fighters out of the Gaza Strip in ambulances that evacuated dozens of wounded Palestinians to Egypt earlier this week, a senior Biden administration official said Friday.

Hamas had compiled a list of the seriously wounded that it wanted to evacuate from Gaza for treatment in Egypt, along with thousands of foreign nationals looking to flee the enclave.

The list was then vetted by Egypt and the United States, which found that a third of the names on it were of Hamas fighters, the administration official said, adding that the list was rejected and none of the 76 wounded Palestinians who were ultimately evacuated in ambulances out of Gaza were members of the terror group.

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    Isn’t it convenient how every time the US or Israel bombs civilians they automatically know they we’re secretly terrorists the whole time?

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      Almost as if they were intentionally targeting terrorists…

      Not saying they aren’t lying, but this proves exactly nothing.

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      Ya it’s like they’re using the multiple billions of dollars we’ve invested in spy satellites and other technologies to track people against Hamas or something…

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        Is the US intelligence that good?

        It just seems that in USA it’s self they can know about a guy whose been calling for help because he’s on the verge of shooting up a place and they don’t do nothing about it until they start shooting things up. US intelligence seems incredibly dysfunctional and if they can’t sort things out at home I don’t know how they would figure these things out abroad.

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    Oh so they just have a big list of every Hamas member and can vette them from name alone?

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    Why not allow them to pass and then arrest them at the border? Surely better than bombing random buildings that may or may not have Hamas fighters inside.

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      Also allowing a war crime (using ambulances to transport fighters and/or arms) and defending it like this emboldens them to continue doing it to the detriment of civilians since they won’t face consequences.

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      Doing that would prompt Hamas to stop cooperating with allowing civilians to seek medical assistance outside of Gaza.

      Literally every humanitarian thing Hamas permits it does so with the intention of funneling benefits to its own fighters and members.

      It’s the same problem as African warlords intercepting and sitting on medical aid intended for impoverished villagers.

      A system which perfectly excluded Hamas cronies and fighters from receiving the benefits is one which Hamas will begin targeting for attack because they would rather Palestinians die than be able to get aid through means outside of Hamas’ approval and exploitation

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      Egypt doesn’t want to deal with that. That’s actually why what were reticent at first to help and why neighboring Arab countries won’t take refugees. Radical militants have snuck in with Palestinian refugees before and caused civil wars. They even killed the King of Jordan in what was eventually called Black September.

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      Reposting.

      Israel doesn’t operate the Egypt side and Egypt wants to not be an active participant beyond maintaining the crossing. They especially don’t want to run a PoW camp.

      Working with the IDF directly to transfer prisoners to them would probably start shit in Egypt Sisi doesn’t want to start as it would be seen as entering the war I guess. Iran backed Houthi rebels in Yemen are already doing War Crimes on Egyptian hospitals for their current stance.

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    This explanation sounds too flimsy to believe. Seems more like a cover story after the fact for the insane bombing of hospitals and a caravan of ambulances within a clear pattern of overall genocide.

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      Reposting.

      Israel doesn’t operate the Egypt side and Egypt wants to not be an active participant beyond maintaining the crossing. They especially don’t want to run a PoW camp.

      Working with the IDF directly to transfer prisoners to them would probably start shit in Egypt Sisi doesn’t want to start as it would be seen as entering the war I guess. Iran backed Houthi rebels in Yemen are already doing War Crimes on Egyptian hospitals for their current stance.

      Also allowing a war crime (using ambulances to transport fighters and/or arms) and defending it like this emboldens them to continue doing it to the detriment of civilians since they won’t face consequences.

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    Forgive me if I don’t take everything the US says on the matter at face value.

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    I understand the skepticism, but this is where it’s good to know your history. Radical militants have snuck in with Palestinian refugees before in the past. This has happened before.

    It’s why Egypt was so reticent to accept refugees. These radicals have snuck in and caused civil strife. They even killed the King of Jordan, in what’s called Black September. This is why neighboring Arab countries aren’t taking in refugees either.

    Hamas is utterly evil.

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      Oh I’m not really that skeptical of the report. Hamas has done this multiple times before.

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      Nah. Terrorists who cut people’s heads off can have medical treatment when they surrender.

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        I wish it was as simple as good vs evil. Sorry to tell you but the world is not a lotr movie, in fact it´s quite complicated …

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          There’s no need to be cutting civilian’s heads off regardless of your back story. That is evil.

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            That is an obvious and trivial truth that I of course agree with. However, murdering innocent palestinian olive farmers, to steal their land and build illegal settlements on it also seems pretty evil, right?

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                I didn’t say anything about either side. All I said is cutting people’s heads off is evil. I also specifically mentioned civilians without stating a side. Great assumptions though.

                For the record both sides are monsters. Whether they were driven to it in your opinion or not. And the civilians on both sides are victims.

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                  For the record both sides are monsters. Whether they were driven to it in your opinion or not. And the civilians on both sides are victims.

                  I see now that we in fact share the same opinion.

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            In any case!

            There are many people on both sides who see it the way you do. Funny part is, what side is good and what side is evil changes, based on who you ask. Based on individual perspective, ones terrorist is another ones freedom fighter. Please understand that ones judgement is only a personal, subjective opinion and never an objective truth and that one atrocity can never justify another atrocity.

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          I never said it was simple. But Hamas murdered completely innocent civilians - including babies - that they actively and intentionally targeted. They are irredeemable monsters.

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        Those stories regarding killing babies have been shown conclusively to be false, and the journalists responsible have publicly retracted the statements and apologized for the disinformation.

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          There were definitely dead babies wtf do you mean? Has “there were no 40 beheaded babies” now morphed into “no dead babies at all” or what?

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        I wish it was as simple as good vs evil. Sorry to tell you but the world is not a lotr movie, in fact it´s quite complicated …

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          No it’s not, see the reaction of journalists/politicians who attended the screening of 43 minutes of 7-Oct atrocities…

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            Both sides have been in an exchange of atrocities for decades now. What is your point?

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          I never said it was. The world is full of shades of grey.

          But the way this group has tried to resist oppression is despicable and cannot be excused.

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              True, and yet non-violent revolutions have succeded in the past. Hamas wants to raze Israel from the face of the earth. They have no place in a civilized society.

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                I fully agree but wonder why you don´t mention the other half of this truth. Obviously human slaughtering terrorists have no place in a civilized society. However, it must also be said that there is no place in a civilized society for right-extremist-racists, who murder residents and occupy their land to build illegal settlements.

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                @photonic_sorcerer I would agree with you except for the fact that Israel learned from that, and outlawed peaceful protesting. Yeah, if you peacefully protest against Israel in Israel, they’ll throw you in prison. They made their own problem here.
                Israel has proven that all they learned from the Holocaust was how to do it better

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                @photonic_sorcerer oh btw, saying “Hamas wants to raze Israel from the earth”, while Israel builds settlements, refusing to negotiate, commits ethnic cleansing, and brutalizes Palestinians in a myriad of other ways proves you have no idea what’s going on over there

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            I never said it was. The world is full of shades of grey.

            You first comment seemed to imply a different worldview, apologies.

            But the way this group has tried to resist oppression is despicable and cannot be excused.

            Of course it can´t. There is guerrilla warfare and then there is barbaric slaughtering of helpless civilians. Those are absolutely not the same.

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      Like you said later, the world isn’t simple good and evil. If they don’t surrender, they don’t get treatment. The IDF would hardly treat a member of Hamas and Hamas would hardly treat a member of the IDF. A group treating civilians can tell members of both to fuck off.

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      But you’re not entitled to enter Egypt to get it if your a member of Hamas, as the Muslim Brotherhood and it’s offshoots are banned there.

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            What do you mean by admit? You mean to treat? Yes of course. As I said, imo every sick or injured person deserves medical treatment, no matter their background. Also, when they are healthy again, I would want to see that Nazi getting put in front of a court, questioned, convicted and punished as the law dictates.

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                  Egypt doesn’t want to admit people from a group that successfully terrorized their whole nation for an extended period of time. They have no interest in convicting them.

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      Turns out a lot of people on the left think the jihadist shit that hurts civilians is justified because their side is oppressed.

      It’s disgusting and perpetuates the cycle of violence. Before the current war things were improving. Israelis were fighting hard to remove Netanyahu from power, including the military (air force) striking.

      Edit: No one cares about the Israelis (Including the 20% Arab citizen pop) entering the west bank at the risk of being murdered to defend Olive picking workers from Israeli settlers and IDF clowns who disgrace their uniforms.

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    Also trying to smuggle in military supplies in humanitarian aid:

    Meanwhile, two senior Israeli officials told The Times of Israel that Israeli inspectors earlier this week uncovered several oxygen concentrators meant to aerate the tunnels operated by terror organizations in Gaza.

    “These weren’t for use in the hospitals, but below them. That’s why they were smuggled among boxes of cookies,” one of the senior Israeli officials said, adding that the entire truck in which the oxygen concentrators were found was barred from entering Gaza.

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    The active Astro turfing in this thread, and on lemmy in general, when facts conflict with a pro Hamas narrative is fucked up.

    E: You guys are making it really obvious when 5 or more down votes are applied all at once.

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    Edit: the sudden flux of down votes is extremely suspicious and it’s just a fact.

    Reposting here

    re: smuggling siege equipment (oxygen concentrators should be amongst the medical aid) amongst humanitarian aid food…

    https://youtu.be/W4gDfSNMRx4?si=3NhT_Xt2Dxxkp3A- at around 6 minutes you can see Hamas using concentrated oxygen in the tunnels to refresh themselves. Lot of morons with “underground mine experience” who also don’t know its a standard practice outside of Gaza. https://www.amsj.com.au/dont-hold-breath/

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        Says the westerner to a Palestinian.

        It’s a lot more than just smuggling in food.

        Right now there’s videos being shared on Arabic news of Hamas gunning down their own people in the Evac corridor. The IDF is trying to clear the actual genocidal religious nut jobs out under fire. To save civilian lives.

        Do I need to also remind you Hamas uses child soldiers? That half the dead kids in the 2019 protests were indoctrinated and martyring themselves?

        That their fucking leaders called for my brother and sister’s blood to flow?

        The IDF has been restrained and you are all blind. You don’t live there. You never will. Go read about the bombings of Germany and Japan and come back to me.

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        I don’t actually care about votes it just shows how bitter some people are, and want to bury facts that conflict with whatever their entrenched position is to steer the conversation.

        Believing there is a righteous cause side here (as in in Gaza) other than the actual civilians who don’t celebrate and materially support violence against other civilians is a fools errand. Also fuck settlers in the west bank and Netanyahu im not even touching that with a ten foot pole it’s just bad.

        Unfortunately the situation had deteriorated to the point that Hamas is actively hurting their own people’s chances at a peaceful life directly. It’s just a tragedy.

        Edit: lmfao at the salty loser who went through the entire comment history on this account and down voted every comment. That’s all you can do, along with raging online, you aren’t in the Levant. You’re not from there. We don’t care about your opinions.

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            I popped off at the now removed comment under my other reply so this isn’t directed at you, but thought I would repost it so other people could see it. It is incredibly demeaning, infantilizing, and insulting how westerners and lefties from the rest of the global south twist this conflict and the historical context around it. My mother is actually an Afro-Cuban refugee with a family with many members who fled the Castro regime for reasons other than being white American business people. He would jail them by the thousand, rape, and beat them. My Pale-fucking-stinian dad married my mom because she had a child, my brother, who no one was going to care for. Meanwhile lefties defend the Castro and modern regime on the basis of it improving literacy and Healthcare. My now orphaned reply follows:

            I’m from the area. Family been there for 500+ years.

            If Israel is an apartheid state so is the US, Canada, and every other Arab nation that allows cross borders workers under shit conditions. It’s especially bad in the gulf states, they steal passports from immigrants and turn them into modern day slaves.

            The shit in the west bank is indeed bad and a new government needs to prosecute to the fullest extent anyone participating.

            I’ve lived through this conflict my entire life.

            When Black September happened the Jordanian army actually Indiscriminately shelled the Palestinian refugee camps killing so so many.

            It’s ok I know all the keyboard warriors from the west only want to hear from “the right Palestinians”. I have stuff my dad gave me from the 1700s Ottoman Empire before he died. His grandfather got murdered for not being down with the cause of Arab nationalism post ww1 when they started killing the local jews and dissenters, not the European zionists, the people who were local community leaders for generations.

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            I think the best thing to hope for is the complete removal of the governmental apparatus of Hamas and a 20 year (1+ generation) re-education campaign to “de-nazify” the civilian population. Japan and Germany are now staunch US allies despite a similar level of bombing and destruction. This should be coupled with extensive infrastructure build up to improve the life of the civilians in Gaza.

            The first step there is unfortunately rooting out the governmental apparatus of the region…

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                I’m from the area. Family been there for 500+ years.

                If Israel is an apartheid state so is the US, Canada, and every other Arab nation that allows cross borders workers under shit conditions. It’s especially bad in the gulf states, they steal passports from immigrants and turn them into modern day slaves.

                The shit in the west bank is indeed bad and a new government needs to prosecute to the fullest extent anyone participating.

                I’ve lived through this conflict my entire life.

                When Black September happened the Jordanian army actually Indiscriminately shelled the Palestinian refugee camps killing so so many.

                Edit: It’s ok I know all the keyboard warriors from the west only want to hear from “the right Palestinians”. I have stuff my dad gave me from the 1700s Ottoman Empire before he died. His grandfather got murdered for not being down with the cause of Arab nationalism post ww1 when they started killing the local jews and dissenters, not the European zionists, the people who were local community leaders for generations.

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                  israel is an apartheid state. so is the usa, but not for the reason you’re suggesting. the people you’re talking about can return to a sovereign nation with borders and taxes and armies. the subjugated indigenous people are relegated to open air prisons just like the palestinians are, though.

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    I mean, technically most of the Hamas fighters would be Gazans, so it’s not like they were lying …

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    Yes yes, good to see the news from the unbiased source of…lowers glasses…Times of Israel

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      Other places are reporting it too. If you have a counter source please post.