President Joe Biden and his top advisers are warning Israel with growing force that it will become increasingly difficult for it to pursue its military goals in Gaza as global outcry intensifies about the scale of humanitarian suffering there.
  • ShroOmeric@lemmy.worldEnglish
    37·
    1 year ago

    After two years pretending to be outraged by Russia doing the exact same thing. Fuke them, they have no moral. Neither has Israel.

  • givesomefucks@lemmy.worldEnglish
    35·
    1 year ago

    Bullshit.

    I mean, it should be true.

    But Biden doesn’t have that balls or the backing. He might have sold himself as “the Senate whisper” during the primary, but as soon as he won the election he started saying he can’t do anything to influence anyone else.

    Even if he wanted to do the right thing, he doesn’t have the political juice to actually do it by his own admission.

    • newnton@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      15·
      1 year ago

      I think he’s talking more about public support eroding, which will cause members of the house to have a harder and harder time justifying sending military aid to their constituents, rather than direct consequences he plans to implement.

    • Siegfried@lemmy.worldEnglish
      10·
      1 year ago

      I don’t understand why they need the money… I mean, don’t they have a whole ton of modern military resources already?

      • LaLiLuLuCo@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        4·
        1 year ago

        If Israel falls the entire region gets glassed by nukes. They are suspected to have nearly as many as China. They are a world leader in missile tech. They won’t miss.

        It’s called the Samson Plan. Russia has a similar doctrine, as probably does most nuclear powers.

        Defending them via aid which, in the current war, is $1-2 billion dollars in defensive interceptor missiles already, is a good investment. Biden literally said it was the best investment America makes during his speech a little while ago. He’s said that before in the 90s if I recall correctly, back when he was the senate foreign relations guy.

        Israel is also a giant weapons rnd and live fire experiment for the US military industrial complex. They aren’t giving it up. Israel is the first country to deploy laser weaponry in their defense (light knife), and in this war is live testing the state of the art Iron Beam (Light Shield).

        This is the real Politik people miss when discussing Israel and Palestine ignorant of most of the historical context.

        The entire region has tried to delete Israel before. The state isn’t going anywhere without taking everyone else with them.

        • Siegfried@lemmy.worldEnglish
          4·
          1 year ago

          So, we are protecting the bomb vest dude now? /$ I would argue that every country with nukes has this doctrine. Superpowers are the fucking devil walking on earth.

          I think everything you stated is correct, but I don’t think that Israel is even remotely close to being deleted at this moment. Wanting to and actually being able to are totally different situations, unless what you are stating is that Israel is looking for any excuse to abomb the Middle East.

          Meanwhile, Ukraine looks to be struggling with its counterattack*.

          • LaLiLuLuCo@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
            3·
            1 year ago

            The thing a lot of people miss is that the whole suicidal spiteful blaze of glory is a regional thing. Not a Muslim thing.

            Read up on the Siege of Masada, it’s an important local story.

            It was more apparent when there were a bunch of paramilitaries before they crystallized into Israel.

            Israel also regularly assassinates summarily people in foreign countries who kill it’s citizens. Look up the Munich Olympics in the 1970s. https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4509923,00.html side note this motherfucker was one of the most pro peace politicians to head up the government in the modern era after Rabin.

            Also the capability thing is that the Israeli population is tiny compared to its neighbors. It whoops ass historically, everyone having training and a cause to fight for does that, but the threat is always there of just storming the country with bodies.

            Ukraine gave up their nukes in what is going down in history as one of the stupidest decisions a government has ever made.

  • AutoTL;DR@lemmings.worldBEnglish
    4·
    1 year ago

    This is the best summary I could come up with:

    President Joe Biden and his top advisers are warning Israel with growing force that it will become increasingly difficult for it to pursue its military goals in Gaza as global outcry intensifies about the scale of humanitarian suffering there.

    Behind the scenes, American officials also believe there is limited time for Israel to try to accomplish its stated objective of taking out Hamas in its current operation before uproar over the humanitarian suffering and civilian casualties – and calls for a ceasefire – reaches a tipping point.

    In fact, there is recognition within the administration that that moment may arrive quickly: Some of the president’s close advisers believe that there are only weeks, not months, until rebuffing the pressure on the US government to publicly call for a ceasefire becomes untenable, sources told CNN.

    Particularly jarring to Biden and his national security team, two sources familiar with the matter said, were Israeli airstrikes this week that targeted a refugee camp in northern Gaza, resulting in grim scenes of widespread destruction and deaths.

    Biden has told Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu that the relentless images of Palestinian women and children being pulled from rubble could start to narrow Israel’s ability to move forward with its current operation, according to senior administration officials.

    And that isn’t just limited to IDF’s operation in Gaza: In a call with Netanyahu on Sunday, Biden told the prime minister he was concerned about the surge in violence against Palestinians by Israeli settlers in the West Bank and was emphatic that that the attacks had to stop, according to a source briefed on the conversation.

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