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    European here, these are what different states or areas of the USA remind me of (like what’s the first think I think of when I hear it’s name):

    • Southern states: right wing twats
    • Alabama: incest
    • Florida: gators and really, really weird news headlines
    • Texas: stupidly large trucks, guns and cowboys
    • Alaska: cold, that one goldrush
    • California: expensive, liberal
    • Ohio: those fucking memes
    • Hawaii: warm, colonialism
    • Mississippi: riverboats
    • Washington: why the hell is the city of Washington not in Washington?
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      Washington: why the hell is the city of Washington not in Washington?

      There’s also Washington Island. It’s nowhere near Washington state or DC. It’s in Lake Michigan, and is part of Wisconsin, not Michigan.

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      On that last point, George Washington is still considered the most popular president of the USA. In his own time he would come to cities and people (all of them) would swarm the streets. When the Constitution was signed Washington was in retirement, but the writers of the Constitution assumed Washington would be the first President. There were roughly 8 candidates running for the position, Washington wasn’t one of them, and when Washington announced he would come out of retirement the other candidates dropped out of the running. Washington won the first election unanimously.

      A lot of Europeans don’t realize this, but the Constitution wasn’t the first government of the new USA. First there was the Articles of Confederation which went from 1777-1789 so Washington had been gone for quite some time and was still so popular.

      It’s not at all surprising that it’s one of the most popular landmark names in the US (street and city names).

      Some other popular names include Lafayette, MLK, Lincoln, and Jackson, Jefferson, and Madison.

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        Similar to the names Elizabeth and Victoria in the UK. The first being mostly named after Elizabeth I (daughter of Henry VIII) and the second being Queen Vic. Although we don’t tend to name towns after people since most of our town names stretch back to Roman/Saxon/Celtic/Norman times. But train stations, schools, pubs, etc commonly incorporate these names.

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        The confederation of states is the American version of people in Russia who think the USSR still exists. They go around trying to act like the Articles of Confederation still exist.

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          I’m not sure how you got onto this point, but you’re referring to Sovereign Citizens and they’re mostly crazy ultra libertarians.

          I wasn’t trying to make the point you brought out, I was simply saying that 12 years had passed with Washington being in relative retirement and he was still the most popular man in the country. Many Europeans might think that the US Constitution was right after the Revolutionary War and thus Washington went straight from General to President.

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      Washington’s name is everywhere because there was this guy named Washington and he did some cool things a couple hundred years ago.

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      California: That other goldrush

      Hawaii: Funny you pick that state out of 50 for “colonialism.”

      Ohio: Home of the buckeye, a useless nut.

      Washington: The federal capitol city, Washington D.C. is on a small bit of land along the Potomac river sandwiched between Virginia and Maryland. It was founded in the late 1700s early in the nation’s history before we laid any claim to the West coast. The state of Washington–the top-left most of the lower 48–was one of the last settled and named. There were several plans drawn up to create several states in the region, and name them Washington, Jefferson, and possibly one or two other founding fathers. Washington was the only one that went through with it.

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      Texas used to be a huge fudd state until very recently, at least I assume that things changed.

      They required a permit for carrying hand guns but not long guns.

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        I love that the world’s idea of Seattle could be mostly based on Frasier, a show not filmed in Seattle, starring no one from the state nor written or created by anyone from Seattle, with hardly any plot line that has anything to do with the area. Basically the only thing Seattle in that show is the Space Needle, and they way they show it isn’t even possible in real life.

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      Pretty bad comparison

      • size is irrelevant
      • american states are provinces, not countries. how many americans know the provinces of Germany?
      • identifying states when most of them are just rectangles is damn annoying
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        It’s a fairly reasonable comparison.

        Just trying to throw away the concept of size is probably the most unfair thing here. You are trying to change the conversation so your argument appears valuable. Then you kind of piss that attempt at goal post moving by claiming that while size is irrelevant, somehow shape is. What a strange move.

        You make a good point on the US state vs Country comparison, I think that certainly plays a much larger part than size or even population. But if you wanted to argue that point, rather than dismiss relevant concepts or inserting ridiculous ones - you could rebut with a question like “can you name the subjects of the Russian Federation?” Or, if you are in a fighting mood (which…clearly), you could just respond that American exceptionalism has them overvaluing the relevance of US States on the global scale.

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          The shape thing wasn’t really meant to be taken seriously…

          You’re the one being defensive here, so I won’t bother arguing with someone that starts out as hostile as that

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            Haha, hostile. I merely pointed out your failed points then suggested a better means of sharing your valid point - going as far as agreeing with you… that’s hostile? Yeah, okay.

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              That’s not the part that was hostile, but if you can’t see that yourself, I won’t be able to help you either

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      yeah, but for example: Luxembourg - the last grand duchy in the world, one of four institutional seats of the european union, capital city is an UNESCO world heritage site, has a 1000 years of history.

      Idaho - potatoes. wait… maybe it’s Iowa? or Ohio?

      edit: really seems like people can’t take a joke, lmao

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        No one under a monarchy has actual pride in their people and country, why should we care that the city was founded from a royal whorehouse by people we’re also descended from anyways?

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        Poland - borscht and poverty. wait… Maybe it’s Ukraine? or Belarus?

        Sweden - vikings? wait… Maybe it’s Norway? or Denmark?

        Germany - Fascists? wait… Maybe it’s Italy? or Hungary?

        France - bread? wait… Maybe it’s Netherlands? or Germany?

        Yes, it’s easy to trivialize something you know nothing about. Now maybe it’s not interesting to you, but to the horror of history YouTubers- everywhere has history, and the history of some random inbred monarchs isn’t exactly relevant or interesting to everyone.

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          Poland - borscht and poverty. wait… Maybe it’s Ukraine? or Belarus?

          I’d say pierogi is more synonymous with Poland. Also it’s economy is one of the greatest successes of a post Warsaw nation. It out performs the former East Germany in several metrics.

          Sweden - vikings? wait… Maybe it’s Norway? or Denmark?

          All three produced Vikings. Though the ones that harassed England were mostly Danish Vikings with some arriving from Norway and Sweden later on.

          Germany - Fascists? wait… Maybe it’s Italy? or Hungary?

          Germany and Italy both had fascism. Italy invented it during WWI.

          France - bread? wait… Maybe it’s Netherlands? or Germany?

          And Baguettes and croissants and frig legs! Germany does have some…interesting bread varieties.

          the history of some random inbred monarchs isn’t exactly relevant or interesting to everyone.

          European history is a lot more than just some inbred monarchs. The language you speak, the political system you use all came from Europe. Your insults come across like a teenager ranting at his parents that he’s smarter than them.

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            And Baguettes and croissants and frig legs! Germany does have some…interesting bread varieties.

            Baguettes and croissants are also bread…

            Your insults come across like a teenager ranting at his parents that he’s smarter than them.

            I think you don’t understand what I said. I am not insulting Europe, I am European. I am criticizing your closeminded perspective on what you don’t know about.

            European history is a lot more than just some inbred monarchs.

            Of course, and the history of every US state is a lot more than just potatoes.

            European history is a lot more than just some inbred monarchs.

            If you’re talking about the US, a constitutional bicameral presidential republic, with three branches and a judiciary of your peers, was first done in the US. In fact most modern constitutions are inspired by the American constitution.

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              If you’re talking about the US, a constitutional bicameral presidential republic, with three branches and a judiciary of your peers, was first done in the US. In fact most modern constitutions are inspired by the American constitution.

              • Republic - Greece and Rome.
              • Democracy - Greece
              • Judiciary & Jury - Saxon/England
              • Common Law Legal System - Saxon/England
              • Principles of the Enlightenment that inspired the Founding Fathers - Germany, France, Italy and England

              More countries have used the Canadian constitution than the US as their framework.

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                Yes, amazingly, literally everything is inspired and influenced by things in the past, since the US founders were influenced largely by European cultures they were influenced by Europe. But of course, all those European cultures were even more significantly influenced by Levant cultures. Why learn European history that was just savages a few thousand years ago when you could learn Levant cultures?

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    As a European who doesn’t know much about the states: This is pretty accurate. I would exchange gators for florida man and I don’t know what the cars and crime one is but otherwise it’s spot on.

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      Detroit Michigan, “motor city”, is home to a lot of car manufacturers and also much crime.

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        Ah, I have heard of Detroit from probably some movie but I didn’t know it was associated with cars or crime.

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          Detroit was the setting of RoboCop. Crime was pretty bad there in the 70s/80s. It’s much better now and the city is turning around.

          However, worth noting that Detroit is in the lower peninsula of Michigan, and the blue “cars & crime” part here is the upper peninsula, which is basically super rural and low crime. I suspect this was done intentionally, lol.

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          I think it went cars -> crime -> house techno (in that order). Am also not American but maybe know a bit more than most. I was expecting great lakes in that blue part.

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            cars -> crime -> house techno

            House music has its origins in Chicago. Techno music has its origins in Detroit.

            Though the words are unfortunately being used almost interchangeably by unknowing people today, the genres are historically very different in terms of both technology, culture and other regional circumstances.

            Yes, they do indeed musically have some elements in common, but even to this day, after years of evolution and borrowing of ideas, the two movements are still very different to each other, attracting different crowds, and the sum of the general sound of techno+subgenres is much different to that of house+subgenres.

            To some people, everything with a 4/4 kick is the same. To me, it’s like not differentiating between e.g. reggae and funk, or rock and disco. However, I understand why so many get it wrong, because most people around them do the same. I just thought I’d let you (and other people) know.

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              Yeah I wasn’t sure which one it was so I put both to keep it light hearted and accessible in my joke comment, but I’m actually a pretty big electro-head myself, having been a raver, hobbyist D&B DJ and producer (trip hop) for like, what, 20 years ;) Thankfully at much slower rhythms for a long time already though, that stuff will kill ya.

              But it gets even more fun once you realize that we don’t even really use the same definitions for things here in Europe as you guys do in the US. What I call techno probably isn’t even made there. Like, I don’t mean offence or anything but from my (limited) direct exposure but mostly all I see from online, videos, discussions etc it’s just so different there and doesn’t go nearly as deep/dark/hard as we do here, like everything has that sugar coating while we’re out there in our black hoodies under a damp bridge tearing it up if you know what I mean.

              Honestly I feel like what you were explaining there is way better known these days though, like yeah when I was a kid people would just say anything electronic was techno and I’m sure some still do but also feel like it’s way more mainstream now so way more people understand a few different genres at least. I’m also not one to want to get uber-specific with my labels anyway, like I’m more a breakbeat guy myself so I slice it up a bit more there (jungle, jump up, neuro, liquid, technical, intelligent d&b, crossbreed and so on) but with 4 on the floor stuff I’ll pretty much just be aware of like, trance (but not the Tiesto trash I mean the good psytrance shit), what is called “Tekno” in France, the Berlin type stuff like Drumcode label, hardstyle, French core, speedcore etc but like, mildly. Miles away from any of the house style stuff.

              These days I’ve softened up a lot and mostly listen to downtempo stuff and just a lot of random different kinds of music, both electronic, acoustic and everything in between.

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          Michigan has more automotive manufacturing facilities than any other state, nearly 1,000 if you count all the suppliers and distribution hubs. And despite Stellantis now being French-owned and abandoning their headquarters, Ford and GM are still present with many dozens of facilities as well as their respective HQs.

          Next closest is Ohio with only 600.

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    I’m surprised anyone there knows that the UP of Michigan exists. It’s a sparcely populated area with low crime. Hunting, fishing, snowmobiling and drinking.

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      This is totally believable, but Europeans don’t think that America is more incestuous than Europe. They think that that part of America is more incestuous than the rest of America.

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          Good question but I do know that there are a few towns in Vermont populated by solely one family making me quite surprised it’s Alabama that is the incest state and not Vermont I’d gladly take the title of desolate maple state over I fucked my mom state

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          I always heard the “US has more laws against cousin marriage” as “we had to introduce full on laws because y’all wouldn’t stop fucking your cousins!”

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            True, I do think it’s weird they chose Louisiana for the incest part, but I guess that’s just their geography skill

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              I mean, yeah, they boiled down all of the SE to Florida and incest lol. I don’t think the map is supposed to be exactly accurate. And they’re not THAT far from Alabama all considered.

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      I like this kind of statistics, but it is counting only investigated cases? In this cases is common that developed countries with more woman freedom would appear higher in statistics. If you see only official cases you will see that Sweden has a higher rape by inhabitant than India, Bangladesh, Yemen and Brazil. This is probably not true, and is possible to happen because women are more prone to report rape in Sweden than in these other countries.

      https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/98/(A)_Rape_rates_per_100000_population_2010-2012%2C_world.jpg

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      Being Portuguese, I can assure you that we’re not doing it with our sisters, though I can’t really say how much marrying with cousins is going on (whilst I don’t know a single person who has done it, I haven’t exactly researched the matter).

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        It’s mostly cousins and mostly in villages. It was somewhat common (as in, it wouldn’t be seen as completely out of left field) to marry your cousin some decades ago. I know a few seniors who either married their cousin or know someone who did. However it’s definitely an older generation thing, I’ve never heard of someone younger than 40 doing it, and I doubt it’s that common these days.

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    I’d change Florida to Disney World because that’s the main reason anyone would get a passport to go to Florida.