If concessions can not be made to save these lives even with the entire world watching, then I do not want to hear falsehoods about caring for human rights.
I’ve been very cautious to reserve the word “Genocide” because I didn’t want to devalue it with hyperbole. For years, I’ve said that Israel is ethnically cleansing historic Palestine. But reading this article… I think this is the point where it becomes genocide, full and proper.
It’s shocking to bear witness to.
By the UN definition, it’s been genocide for a long fucking time
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I have been unable to find a list of who the UN does consider to be a terrorist organization. Does the UN not call Hamas a terrorist organization because that’s just a term the UN doesn’t use?
He’s gonna have to check Facebook and get back to you on that.
The UN definitely acknowledges the existence of terrorists groups
I couldn’t find a list either but there’s not a lot of documents under the “Foreign terrorist fighters” category -> https://www.un.org/counterterrorism/un-documents
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And Biden, Blinken, etc have lashed themselves to the mast next to Netanyahu and Likud, promising a blank check no matter what.
Usually I’m OK with Biden (I think the way he handled Ukraine was pretty damn good) but this is a disastrous decision on our part.
I can only hope that his tough talk in public is covering for behind the scenes pressure on Isreal to have a ceasefire.
It is genocide either way by definition. Whether it’s cultural or straight murder.
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What an absolute nightmare. Those poor people are caught in the middle of a conflict they can do nothing about. It’s horrific.
I find it both horrifying and nauseating at the same time. This makes me sad to be a human being.
This makes me sad to be a human being.
and wonder why you don’t see more
The answer is in the video. The media rarely shines a light on those groups.
Sometimes they do though. Remember the media response to the Turkey earthquakes? I remember heaps of international rescue teams getting the spotlight.
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Wait until you realize how many species we’ve driven to extinction, and how many more we have yet to kill, before we kill ourselves due to runaway climate collapse. That’s the shit that makes me sad to be human.
Human beings are just about the worst thing to happen to this planet.
Further proof Hamas terrorists hate Gazan Palestinians as much as they hate everyone else.
*People are downvoting because they refuse to admit Hamas terrorists use Palestinians as shields only; without a care for civilian safety as a tool to protect themselves.
This is the thing. Palestinians aren’t treated as humans, but as tool or a weapon.
Even the countries that supposedly support Palestine, not a single of them offers to take refugees.
The truth is they hate Palestinians too (wrong Muslim sect) they just hate Jews a little bit more than them, but they have no problem if both kill each other.
WTF are you talking about?
Those countries don’t offer to take them in because they will not be let back after this is over.
The majority of Palestinians are sunni, and even if they weren’t, that never really mattered to any country besides Iran.
And the countries of the Levant are known for being very secular, unlike Isn’trael.
Again, treating them like tools.
If a country is accepting refugees it is assumed those people will live in your country. Those countries won’t accept them as refugees, because they hate them, and don’t really want to help, they want Israel to burn, and if it takes Palestinians with them “even better”.
That’s the truth, about “supporting” Palestine by those Muslim countries.
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What do you mean? The majority of palestinian are sunni muslim like the majority of arab countries and the vast majority of palestinian refugees outside of palestinian territory/israel are in the neighboring arab countries (albeit in horrible living conditions in refugee camps most of the time).
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wrong Muslim sect
Where did you pick up that idea? Most Palestinians are Sunni just like their neighbours.
Sorry. I oversimplified it. The ethnicity (and racism) and also prior experience helping also matters.
Supposedly Egypt is also Suni, but not only they don’t want let refugees in, or even accept the Gaza strip. US had to negotiate with them to let humanitarian aid in.
Iran which looks like it had part behind this attack and supposedly are supporters of Palestinians, similarly won’t do anything to help.
Their sympathy with Palestine is only when western cameras are rolling.
wrong Muslim sect
There’s a bit of that but only as far as Lebanon is concerned, because Hezbollah is Shia and Palestinian Muslims (and especially Hamas) are mostly Sunni and there will likely be a fight for power between Hezbollah and Hamas if the latter ever infiltrate Lebanon, because for the past 13 centuries there has never been peace on the same soil between Shia and Sunni armed groups, which is why Lebanon is not opening its doors to Palestinians.
With regards to Egypt, sect isn’t really the issue as both are Sunni. However, the military that is ruling Egypt has a very rough history with the Muslim Brotherhood (which was very violent back then, almost nothing to do with Morsi’s Muslim Brotherhood) from which Hamas was born, so they likely don’t want Hamas terrorists infiltrating Egypt either.
So neither Egypt nor Lebanon want Palestinians as they’re placing their security and more importantly their political interests above Palestinian lives.
even if that was true, the other side could just stop hitting the shield all the time and do precise targeting.
It’s true.
Hamas hasn’t yet released the fuel they’ve been hoarding?
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Have they been hoarding it in the hospital?
Why will none of the Arab countries provide shelter for refugees and help them? They are vocal about how horrible the situation is and have the ability to assist by taking in refugees, but do nothing except make sure it goes on and gets worse.
Yeah, why don’t the Palestinians give up and just accept being ethnically cleansed? I mean, they’re Arabs why don’t they just move in with the other Arabs, they’re all one big homogeneous group, right?
Civilians taking refuge away from a war zone is not being ethnically cleansed. FFS. Regardless of whether you think children should be stuck in a warzone,for whatever sick reason, I’d like to see the civilians evacuated.
And if they are not let back in who will hold Israel accountable? Many of the people being bombed refuse to leave their homes for this very reason (as well as the south getting targeted by bombs/no shelter/no supplies either way so might as well keep whatever semblance of dignity they have left). They don’t trust Israel to allow them to return home due to historical precedent.
Those who don’t want to leave can stay, others shouldn’t be forced to become meat shields in a war they didn’t want.
Having all your civilians become collateral between the terrorists war crimianls they elected and the war criminal IDF isn’t going to hold Israel accountable.
That’s the point. Get the civilians out of there.
Tell that to the people that refuse to leave their house due to what I previously described. The last election in Gaza was in 2006. The average resident of Gaza was about 1 year old at the time. This conflict did not start yesterday. The Gazan population does not trust the international community to protect their right to return and they sure don’t trust the Israelis.
Right now, civilians don’t have a choice to leave the warzone. That’s intentional thaks to Hamas, Netanyahu, Egypt, Jordan, etc.
IDC if someone wants to die for dirt. But at least let people who want to save their children, their families, and themselves to exit to safety.
I’m NOT saying force people who want to stay in a warzone over land to leave. I am saying FFS let the ones who want to leave get out. Which they currently can’t do.
You can’t carpet bomb civilians then blame a country for not accepting 2 million refugees. Leveling the sector with air strikes is not a requirement.
Right now, civilians don’t have a choice to leave the warzone. That’s intentional thaks to
Hamas, Netanyahu,Egypt, Jordan, etc.Ftfy
Because they shouldn’t have to leave their homes.
I get that. Hell they shouldn’t have Hamas using them as shields either just bc they elected Hamas. I get it.
But “shouldn’t have to” and reality are clashing. And if the option is refugee or civilian deaths then I’d rather they lived.
It would be mathematically impossible for them to have elected Hamas since 50% of them are 18 and younger, and the last election was held over 17 years ago.
And the reason the last election was held so long ago was that after Hamas won elections in Gaza, the west supported a coup that failed and entrenched Hamas in power.
I’d debate that with you, but it distracts from the point. Civilians need a path to refuge and not be forced to stay in rhe Hamas/Israeli warzone.
If they want to stay, go for it. But lots of people who don’t want to see their families die, have no way out by design and to the delight of both Hamas and Netanyahu.
You do realize this is advocating for genocide - the deliberate and systematic destruction of a racial, political, or cultural group.
Saving their lives is not advocating for genocide. Giving civilians no exit a warzone is. How is that unclear to you? I can’t tell if you’re just trolling at this point.
It’s 2.2 million people. It’s a logistical nightmare. Any country/countries that take them in will have a drain on their resources. They will need aid. Or, just spitballing here, Israel could just stop.
I think at this point, the genocide is in progress. Like the caregivers in this article, what we’re discussing is triage.
I think it’s unconscionable to evacuate the Gaza strip, because we all know that the intention is to never allow the refugees to return. But I would like the Palestinians of Gaza to have the option to choose whether to survive in exile or die in their homes.
I believe that the Palestinian identity can survive in a diaspora. But that’s all academic. These people deserve the option to escape, even regardless of what it means for the future of their ethnic group. It’s a painful choice, but it should be there’s.
If some decide to stay, what happens to them? Does the world condemn them to death because it’s too problematic to deal with? Does the world force them at gunpoint? Israel has the power to stop this, it’s the easier path.
But I would like the Palestinians of Gaza to have the option to choose whether to survive in exile or die in their homes.
Oh wow, how magnanimous of you.
If it was any other country your argument would be substantive. But we are talking about Israel and Palestine. Anyone who leaves will not be able to return. That’s how it’s always been. And for the Palestinians, their land is their existence. They will not give it up. They know the second they leave, it’s been lost.
And I said fine let those who want to stay do just that. But people who want to leave have a right to be able to do so.
My only argument is that people who want to leave should be able to. These nutjob radicals in here are literally downvoting opening a corridor for refugees who DO want to leave to be free of a warzone.
It’s insane how fucked that is, that anyone would even argue against giving them the option. And it makes their motives highly dubious and likely their arguments disingenuous and politically motivated.
Funny thing - Israel did exactly what you’re suggesting. They told Gazans to flee to Egypt via the Rafah Crossing, then Israel bombed the Rafah Crossing.
Uhm, in the article you linked there is only Hamas claiming there were bombings on Rafah Crossing. It doesn’t have any proof or source that is showing the bombings did indeed happen.
Civilians taking refuge away from a warzone is how the Jewish Diaspora began.
So you are arguing that people who want to leave a warzone shouldn’t be allowed to?
Just oof, that’s a terrible take. Please clarify if that’s not the case.
At least I’m not arguing in favor of the warzone.
Somewhat ironically, the biggest impediment is Hamas mission to genocide the Jews.
@rivermonster most of them are not vocal about it right now. Many of them have normalised relations with Israel in the last few years.
They also hold the belief that allowing Israel to chase all the Palestinians out of Palestine and grab the land would be the end of the Two State Solution, turning the latter into permanent refugees.
In practical terms given Israel’s blockades the only country in a position to take them is Egypt.
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Egypt already hosts 9 million refugees, taking another 2 million would be politically unpopular with voters.
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Egypt is also afraid of ending up in a border war with Israel (which would happen if any of the new refugees attacked Israel).
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Egypt also wants the Two State Solution
Here is an article that might interest you: Why Egypt Won’t Open The Border To Its Palestinian Neighbours
Other nations absolutely could petition to take them in and should. They could, at the very least, petioon Israel to allow them to provide refuge, but they dont bc they like things the way they are. I understand why, including it being politically advantageous for all of them and unstable governments, and nobody wants the terrorists hiding among the civilians.
That’s rather rhe point, Israel can’t commit its war crimes without the assistance of Egypt, and honestly the all the other Arab nations who clutch their pearls. It’s so upsetting to see so many horrible and disingenuous actors in this from the Bibi/Hamas alliance (and theynare bed fellows) to Egypt and the rest of the nations who could help but instead clutch at their pearls and feign outrage.
@rivermonster I always wonder whether people who want “Arab nations” to take in more refugees are also petitioning their own representatives to take in more themselves.
Pretty much all the biggest refugee-hosting nations are poorer nations.
Nevertheless, this article might give you food for thought: The Growing Significance Of Malaysia and Indonesia’s Non-recognition of Israel.
Oh, I’m with you. Fuck my own country for not taking them in. I’m in the US. Our southern border is one endless crime against humanity. I literally petition my rep and both senators regularly about violations to our consititon and international law that occur here. It is a source of shame for anyone of conscience who lives here.
@rivermonster yeah that’s getting really bad lately.
I’m in New Zealand and I want more refugees from everywhere, including Palestine. It’s frustrating.
Turns out Children of Men is the most prophetic sci fi.I feel you, I argue for both immigration and asylum to be opened and increased in the US. I regularly am so depressed and dismayed that we aren’t even honoring international agreements and law around asylum for those fleeing innumerable horrors.
I’m very ashamed of my country on this issue.
@rivermonster to be fair to the US it didn’t actually sign the UN convention on refugees that the rest of the West signed. But I still share your frustration.
I wish we could all work together on this stuff. Instead we have had some shining examples recently of how countries who do take people from warzones get left to take a huge hit, like poor Bangladesh struggling alone to administer Coxs Bazar (the biggest refugee camp in the world, now home to the Rohingya), or the Kurds who bizarrely were left trying to feed and shelter surrendered ISIS fighters from all over the world.
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The people who will leave Gaza are never gonna be let back in. The neighboring Arabic countries already have lots of Palestinian refugees.
I definitely don’t think any land is worth the deaths of civilians while Hamas uses them as shields for their terrorism and war crimes, and Isreal commits war crimes of collective punishment, etc.
Letting kids and civilians die in an active warzone is madness. I condemn the partnership of Bibi and Hamas (who’ve been bedfellows since they first got him elected) and just want to save civilians and prevent more atrocities.
If that’s the attitude of everyone the whole world will be colonized and subjugated by imperialists. There will be a point where you cannot run anymore. Let me ask you a question, what would you do if this happened to you?
Jordan won’t take them because the Palestinians assassinated their king, created a civil war in Jordan, and tried to assassinate their next king.
Lebanon won’t take them because they keep joining Hezbollah.
Egypt won’t take them because they keep joining up with Muslim Brotherhood and trying to destabilize the government.
Syria won’t take them because they’re in the middle of a civil war.
Iran won’t take them because they’re more useful as a tool to destabilize Israel.Am I missing anyone?
Because the neighboring countries did that in the past in various forms and it fucked them all up in some manner. These are not normal people. They’re twisted by decades of living under war or terrorist rule. Their population is so young because everyone old died that half the people alive never actually experienced a stable life. They know nothing but this. As a result they are really hard to integrate.
Because then they risk becoming the target of what Israel buys with the 50 billion dollars Joe Biden just sent to them.
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Hamas really really fucked up this time.
You realize that this is the EXACT outcome they would have expected right? You think Hamas expected Israel to surrender to paragliders? This was what they WANTED to happen. Now the whole world is watching Israel losing their shit on civilians and their international support is crumbling all around them. Hamas doesn’t give a shit about the palestinian people, but they do care about getting Israel into a position to be openly attacked by its Arab neighbors without the US and Europe coming in to fight on their behalf. It looks like that plan is actually going pretty well.
Isreal has the most support it has had in decades. They have widespread support to remove Hamas, or at least seriously damage Hamas, from most of their allies.
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The U.S. is about to dump billions in military aid for Isreal.
Here’s France:
Amid fears the fighting to spiral into a wider regional war, French President Emmanuel Macron arrived in Tel Aviv on Tuesday and told top Israeli officials that he came “to express our support and solidarity and share your pain” as well as to assure Israel it is “not left alone in the war against terrorism.”
Support from the US has literally never been higher lmao
You, my friend, are stuck in a bubble if you think this.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Hospitals in Gaza are ceasing to function because they are running out of water and fuel for generators, while being overwhelmed by huge numbers of casualties and civilians seeking shelter from Israeli bombing.
No new fuel has been allowed into Gaza since the 7 October Hamas attack on Israel, starving hospital generators as well as the desalination and pumping plant essential to the water system.
Video posted on Tuesday showed the Indonesian hospital in north Gaza in total blackout after the generators failed, with the sole illumination from mobile phones.
Tanya Haj-Hassan, a Canadian-based paediatric intensive care and humanitarian doctor who helps run a western support network for Gaza health workers, said a third of hospitals in the territory had ceased to function.
Another member of the western support group, Omar Abdel-Mannan, a senior paediatric neurology resident at Great Ormond Street children’s hospital in London, said: “Doctors on the ground are using minimal anaesthesia so they can economise on it.”
Medical experts from the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) visited hospitals in Gaza on Tuesday and confirmed the dire reports from doctors on the ground.
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Blame the world’s leader and the people that think they should be supporting them.
Take matters into your own hands. Change is now if you make the change. Live for reality and not tradition. Bring on the war.
Imagine saying this shit when powerless children are being butchered by israeli bombs…
how heartless some people have become
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Man… you got problems.
It’s not really up to us foreigners. We could send them fuel but Hamas would just confiscate it.
