Otherwise we’d get along!

And that will be in my head all day…

I wouldn’t call that necessarily passing an ethics test. You could’ve wanted to say something, but were too lazy.

Not doing something wrong is different from doing something right.

Does your liquor store sell food??? All the ones here sell only liquor.

That sounds more like DARE style bullshit to justify getting angry at people stealing formula. I’ve definitely heard of baby powder or baby laxative but that’s because they react similar to coke by dissolving in water like blow or acting like a numbing agent. Baby formula doesn’t numb and it gets milky in water.

It makes no sense from a economic stand point either. People cut drugs to make more money. Most of the shit they use costs next to nothing, isn’t watched and definitely isn’t locked up.

Yeah it’s always assholes looking to resell it. Much like all the theft at hardware stores, with people reselling stolen power tools.

I completely agree with your sentiment, but I still wouldn’t report them. If the odds of them being a parent in need is 10% I’d still look the other way. Shoplifting from a multi-hundred billion dollar business barely feels like theft to me. If that theft is for drug addicts and unfortunate parents I’m not gonna complain.

Now if they’re stealing jewelery or other non-necessities I’ll point that out, but when it comes to things like baby formula and diapers I didn’t see shit.

Edit: In an ideal world baby formula and diapers would be universally free or at least as free and accessible as condoms at many health provider locations. Maybe at Walmart chargers transportation costs while planned parenthood is completely free. Either way we shouldn’t be fretting about these things. I feel like this is something the left and right should be able to agree on.

People can make drugs from baby formula?!

Depends where you are. In the US they actually are:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_personhood

Barely hold back from loudly rooting them on?

Stop what you’re doing and also punch a Nazi?

you earned it.

Who are ‘they’?

no decent person steals from small business… its common sense to avoid that and most people who do steal do it from walmart and megacorps. idrk where u got worrying ab small business from, its just considered shitty to steal from them. but big corps who lay around in their yacht profiting off of others being too broke to eat and feed their kids? fuck them. steal all you can from them because they will from you.

People commit theft because the barriers / consequences of theft to obtain an item or less than the barriers/consequences of legitimate purchase. It’s always a supply and availability issue. Humans aren’t intrinsically evil. Also there aren’t a bunch of programs to provide free baby supplies. Even WIC requires application but some people might not have the time or ability to go to. And it’s not free with WIC, you still have to pay.

Also if you want to talk philosophy, children are too young to consent and be beholden to the social contract. They’re participation is mandatory because they are innocent and dependent. It’s our obligation to provide for them collectively.

Never seen anyone steal baby formula outside a riot, because it’s always locked up.

But yeah, I’m sure some people steal because they’re hungry, but the people I saw steal when working grocery stole steaks, lobster, shrimp, eye drops, high-end hair products, and workers’ hours. If someone was ever stealing out of need (fuck, even a single carbohydrate) they were slick enough about it not to get caught. But we tracked shrink, and could tell when something disappeared without account.

It’s an interesting trend i have seen online since the onset of the post-pandemic inflation.

At its core it’s an ethics problem of Kant vs Utilitarianism. On the one hand Kantians are big into the golden rule. They would point out that we shouldn’t accept stealing in society, because we as individuals don’t want to be stolen from. If you can steal from a store why not steal from your friend’s parents or the local community centre? In fact why don’t we just all go steal the things we want whenever we want? Utilitarians on the other hand would argue that someone stealing food (if they really need it) creates more good than some investors losing a small amount of profit does harm. Utilitarians think we should live in a world that minimizes harm and maximizes good. If you’re familiar with the trolley car problem they would pull the switch to kill the 1 guy instead of the 5 on the track. They argue there is no objective system of ethics but rather every moral problem depends on the situation and the circumstances of the perpetrator and victim.

In my experience people on both sides of the political spectrum fall into utilitarian and Kantian camps. But I think people who fall on the left of the political spectrum and who also have utilitarian beliefs have a much more amplified opinion on this because they not only see stealing as a lesser of two evils but they view the whole capitalist system as an exploitation of the working class, and that the gains were ill gotten in the first place and theft is almost a natural revolutionary action to take back what is rightfully there’s.

The additional complication though is that this is also an economic problem in an economic system. Sure maybe if it was a one-off thing where somebody desperate stole something from a store one time then no systemic problem would occur, but because this is happening in larger volumes it becomes a multi-period prisoners dilemma. As opposed to the single period prisoners dilemma where defecting is the optimal choice, in the multi-period version participants develop rational expectations. Recently grocery stores such as target have been closing in inner cities because shoplifting has become endemic and they no longer believe they can make a profit there. This is terrible for inner city residents that do not commit theft because it raises the cost for them to transit and find groceries. So the system of “stealing when you need” isn’t tenable in this economic system.

Whether you believe that means we need to change the economic system or alternatively you believe we need to impose harsher penalties for crime, what’s clear is that in the end we will need a legislative solution, and so we probably should’ve just gone and done that in the first place.

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