• Jajcus@kbin.social
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    89
    ·
    1 year ago

    Doesn’t sound like the ‘cheap small computer you can run your hobby electronics project on’ that the original Pi used to be. It is not as cheap and a power hungry beast, still small, though. More and more like a PC and less and less a small cheap embedded platform. For some people it is a plus (I guess for most people here), for some not so much.

    I tend to build my projects on Raspberry Pi Pico now, but sometimes I would need something more powerful and Raspberry Pi 5 will be too much.

    • RegalPotoo@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      52
      ·
      1 year ago

      The project goal has never been a ‘cheap small computer you can run your hobby electronics project on’. The whole point of the project is to build a small cheap PC to give away to school children to increase computer literacy, while making it attractive enough for normal people to buy to fund the charity side

        • Shdwdrgn@mander.xyz
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          4
          ·
          1 year ago

          I just noticed on rpilocator that there are a couple US sellers who have RPi4-1GB boards in stock for $35. I might have to try and snag one since my Kodi device has been acting up lately.

        • Hydroel@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          1
          ·
          1 year ago

          But there already is a device that answer that specific need, so it wouldn’t make sense for the Raspberry 5 to replace it.

      • TrejoPhD@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        1
        ·
        1 year ago

        And the 4B

        Right now getting compute modules is the hard part. When the inevitable CM5 comes out…

    • phillaholic@lemm.ee
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      6
      ·
      1 year ago

      You can buy beelink small form factor pcs from Amazon for around $150 with cases and power supplies included.

      • Corgana@startrek.website
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        6
        ·
        1 year ago

        Yes, the numbers on a Pi aren’t referring to a “version” like with the iPhone, but to it’s power. A Pi Zero isn’t the oldest, it’s the simplest.

      • evidences@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        10
        ·
        1 year ago

        4s were pretty easy to find pre 2020, I bought one at launch and 2 more before the pandemic hit and I never paid more than MSRP for any of them.

        • Gregers@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          1
          ·
          1 year ago

          I didn’t know they were that hard to find now. I have a few of every generation and they were never hard to find, or expensive. Must have bought my 4s before the pandemic as well I guess

    • Goodvibes@lemmy.cafe
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      17
      ·
      1 year ago

      That display out will be hard to match with an old optiplex or laptop, but I agree, the pricing is getting less absurdly low and more just moderately low.

      • Nawor3565
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        13
        ·
        edit-2
        1 year ago

        To be fair, I’m guessing the majority of Pi’s are used headless anyway. Plus even the older Optiplexes have DVI, which is just HDMI without the audio or fancy stuff like ARC. Won’t be getting 4K or anything, but still a very good video output and IMO adequate for almost all use cases.

        • mosiacmango@lemm.ee
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          7
          ·
          1 year ago

          I’m betting a decent amount of them are used as media PCs. The x265 decoding, 4kx60hz output, 2x speed ram and better wifi are much appreciated for that application.

      • chiisana@lemmy.chiisana.net
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        3
        ·
        1 year ago

        True. I’m looking for an extra headless system so it doesn’t directly affect me, but that could certainly be a concern if you’re in need for 4K.

          • ShranTheWaterPoloFan@startrek.website
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            6
            ·
            1 year ago

            Because it’s what they will buy, it’s what I’ll buy. And it suits their argument. Calling people out for not reading the article when they are quoting a price from the article is silly though.

            That being said, I don’t really buy the comparison between the optiflex and the pi. It’s like saying you can buy a perfectly good Geo metro as opposed to building a kit bike.

          • AA5B@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            2
            ·
            1 year ago

            For me, the pi 4 4GB had been the sweet spot, however they’re saying pi 5 is roughly twice as fast, so I’m expecting 8GB to be the sweet spot

    • Richard@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      1
      ·
      1 year ago

      It’s definitely worth thinking about your use case and whether a second hand mini-pc of some sort is a better option. Along with the Pi itself many people are probably going to need a new case and quite possibly a power adapter too given the new power profile. An older PC where that’s taken care off, and where you probably have a 120GB SSD included, could be the better option for some people.

  • Decronym@lemmy.decronym.xyzB
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    40
    ·
    edit-2
    1 year ago

    Acronyms, initialisms, abbreviations, contractions, and other phrases which expand to something larger, that I’ve seen in this thread:

    Fewer Letters More Letters
    IoT Internet of Things for device controllers
    NVMe Non-Volatile Memory Express interface for mass storage
    PCIe Peripheral Component Interconnect Express
    PoE Power over Ethernet
    RPi Raspberry Pi brand of SBC
    SATA Serial AT Attachment interface for mass storage
    SBC Single-Board Computer
    SSD Solid State Drive mass storage

    8 acronyms in this thread; the most compressed thread commented on today has 9 acronyms.

    [Thread #174 for this sub, first seen 28th Sep 2023, 19:25] [FAQ] [Full list] [Contact] [Source code]

  • Possibly linux@lemmy.zip
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    29
    ·
    edit-2
    1 year ago

    Don’t go for a Pi. They don’t run stock Linux anyway.

    I would get a board from pine64. There are also plenty of other options that are cheaper

    Used mini PCs are also an option

          • Mara@pawb.social
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            6
            ·
            1 year ago

            This is true with ARM in general. There’s no “standard Linux” to boot because every board needs its own device tree and set of core kernel modules for detecting important things like local storage. It’s fairly intractable due to how different the hardware is.

            • Possibly linux@lemmy.zip
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              3
              ·
              1 year ago

              I’ve heard this argumane before but that doesn’t change the fact that some socs work out of the box and require no proprietary software or custom configs

              • Cosmic Cleric@lemmy.world
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                2
                ·
                1 year ago

                Yeah for the majority of standardized hardware solutions sure. But the Pi is an one-off, as well as all the other single board computers. IANALOSD.

        • Username@feddit.de
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          2
          ·
          1 year ago

          Wow, I was sure Raspberry Pi were pretty good about mainline support, especially since multiple distros support the platform.
          Software support is still very good compared to pretty much every other arm board.

    • Goodtoknow@lemmy.ca
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      11
      ·
      1 year ago

      They can, just need correct drivers. We have mainline Fedora, Debian and Ubuntu for them now.

  • Lasso1971@thelemmy.club
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    27
    ·
    1 year ago

    Since switching my server to an x86 based platform, I’m not jumping back to arm any time soon. Maybe some day

        • Unreliable@lemmy.ml
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          1
          ·
          1 year ago

          Thanks! I may be in the market for a little server. Currently running stuff off a pine a64 but arm is killing me for some stuff (specifically playwright with chrome)

  • qjkxbmwvz@lemmy.sdf.org
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    12
    ·
    1 year ago

    I’ve been eyeing an Orange Pi 5+ for my RPi4 upgrade — think I may stick with that route, but glad to see RPi putting out another model.

    My experience with RPis over the years was that the multimedia was way better supported than alternatives, but for self hosting that’s not really relevant for me (headless, and don’t really care about transcoding).

    • Wolf@lemm.ee
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      2
      ·
      1 year ago

      I ordered an OrangePi 3 recently for pihole purposes and it has been great, it’s also probably overkill for this use but hey it was actually in stock and not terribly expensive.

    • Rootiest@lemm.ee
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      2
      ·
      edit-2
      1 year ago

      Preorders are available now

      …at several vendors, this was just the first one I pulled up.

      You’re looking at a month or so wait for delivery at the most if you order now.

      Yesterday they still had first batch available so maybe other vendors still do too.

      I don’t think the pi5 will suffer the same availability issues the pi4 has

  • Optional@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    10
    ·
    1 year ago

    Never got over social-media-a**hole-gate.

    Out of curiosity is there an equivalent SBC to this new 5 model out there?

  • talkingpumpkin@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    4
    ·
    edit-2
    1 year ago

    One of the most exciting additions to the Raspberry Pi 5 feature set is the single-lane PCI Express 2.0 interface.

    IIUC PCIe2.0x1 means 0.5GB/s, which is slower than USB 2 (I’m talking USB 2 specs - no idea how USB actually performs in PIs). I can’t wait for people to buy that NVME hat and mount WD Blacks on that :) READ BELOW

    • Scholars_Mate@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      26
      ·
      edit-2
      1 year ago

      USB 2 is 480 Mb/s, not 480 MB/s. 480 Mb/s is 60 MB/s, so the 500 MB/s from PCIe 2.0 x1 is quite a bit faster and is about the limit of what a SATA 3 interface could do. Also, sequential throughput isn’t nearly as important as most people think. Random IO, which NVMe drives excel at, will make a far more noticeable impact on real world performance.