the article is propaganda btw! many autistic people are still affected by marketing and the like! NO ONE IS IMMUNE
There’s no one a con man loves more than someone who thinks they’re too smart to be conned.
People who think they’re immune to ads are the most vulnerable to ads.
Yes, no one is immune to propaganda in the sense of misinformation.
Ads on the other hand… The often quoted subconscious working of ads just doesn’t work on me: i choose my müesli based on parameters (like texture, taste,…), not on whims! So ads go on one side in, out on the other.
It’s called subconscious for a reason. You aren’t concous about it.
How do you know that you choose your muesli based on parameters, when things like taste are influenced by the brand and design of the package. No this is not a joke and there actually have been studies on this.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0950329312002364
I’m aware of that effect and it doesn’t matter for me.
Preconcusness isn’t the subconscousness but only things that you aren’t councious of right now but that could be brought into consciousness
It literally isn’t the same thing
Edit: they edited their comment and now my comment doesn’t make sense anymore. They said that the unconscious is an outdated term and we should rather use preconousness and that they are way more conscious about everything than everyone else.
and that they are way more conscious about everything than everyone else.
I didn’t say that.
Yeah, sorry I mean about ads. I only recite it from my memory
Here is an alternative Piped link(s):
Nein, du bist nicht immun gegen Werbung.
Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.
I’m open-source; check me out at GitHub.
Habe ich nicht gesagt. Nur, dass dieser spezifische Typ bei mir nicht funktioniert.
Ads on the other hand… The often quoted subconscious working of ads just doesn’t work on me
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Have you considered those ads simply aren’t targeted at people like you but at the mainstream instead? And that you may well still be susceptible to adds targeted at your kind of mindset?
Have you considered those ads simply aren’t targeted at people like you but at the mainstream instead?
Yes, that’s what i said?
And that you may well still be susceptible to adds targeted at your kind of mindset?
You mean ads for products i would choose based on my need and their qualities? Gladly. But im rather careful with my privacy and see ads only on the street, so there’s that.
Don’t get buthurt so easily.
Did you make a blind test on your Müsli? Get several different brands and eat them blind.
There’s health a big consideration, since it’s something almost daily. So 5-corn with wholewheat flakes and fruit it is. Next convenience store has only one brand of it.
Ok if dug that deep into details there is no need for a test.
What “detail”. Average 20’s to 40’s person cares too less for their health and are then suffering and expensive when they get old.
Well I don’t care about my food that much that I choose my cerial on most healthy option. I eat what I want when I feel like it. As long as I don’t eat only unhealthy food this should work out. And if I get to 100 or only 80 because of tthat I don’t care.
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Another side effect of ads: you think you want Muesli for breakfast, not soup or fried egg.
Nah, i just can’t stomach more in the first few hours.
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Speak for yourself
puts on the blue cap
not the kind of blue cap i first thought of when i saw this notification
Advertisements work opposite for me. If I see an ad, I hate the company. I adamantly will only choose materials based on personal research and the suggestions of my peers. Any suggestion by a corporate entity or otherwise paid method will only serve to brew hate. Beyond that, I will go to just about any means to get rid of ads. I often refuse to deal with a company if their ads show up when I don’t want them to, or if their ad annoys me. There is no good ad.
only choose materials based on personal research and the suggestions of my peers.
And how do you know what to choose from? Ads.
You may not like it but advertisements work on you. They just need to be more subtle. You are fooling yourself if you think you are immune.
true that google search is littered with ads. But savvy consumers know how to do research while avoiding sponsored content and finding unbiased specs and reviews.
Same. It’s very weird I guess. Ads just make me dislike a brand for trying so hard, or not trying hard enough. Also mainstream stuff tends to irk me the wrong way
Autistic people fall hand over foot for propaganda.
I believe you no questions asked
Certainly when I was younger that was absolutely the case. I like to think now that I’m older I’m a little more of a free thinker. But ads? Specifically targeted ads? I don’t stand a chance. If I see a game on sale that I’m mildly interested in or a new D&D source book that sounds cool I will buy it without regard for if I need that money for something else.
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This is true even today. Ads are shady af and even the top link on Google is often a literal scam/virus. Ie for years if you looked up the most popular game client for runescape - runelite - the very first link was a fake version that stole your login info. They paid Google and Google said ‘not my problem’. Not to even mention ads on other sites like Facebook. Even in the cases where an ad isnt a blatant scam or virus, ads are inherently dishonest by design and there is no consequence for using them to lie about your product.
Still shady and also useless. I don’t buy shit I see in ads because I don’t let them track me.
It’s better the industry just dies and the people go back to being psychiatrists.
Immune is overstating it, strongly resistant is more accurate. I hate labeled clothing, or team clothing. It irritates me when my car has a dealer label, and do not blow smoke about how cool I will look, with whatever or wearing whatever. If my vehicle moves from A to B, is reliable, safe, and doesn’t cost an unreasonable amount to operate, I am good. Does anyone else parse ads, to see their actual claims in neutral language? And filter out the puffery filler words?
Make it noise-cancelling, however, and I am very interested. NRR 33+ brings a smile to my face.
Ads don’t actively persuade you to buy something immediately. They plant the information in your mind so that one day when you need to buy something, the first thing that comes to mind is the advertised product. Targetted ads try to shorten this period by guessing what you might need in the shortest term. Autists simply miss the information if they’re not paying attention.
Oh, we’re paying attention, we’re just so insulted that such a pathetic attempt to incept us is what passes for acceptable marketing from multi-billion dollar corporations that we’ll gladly buy the brand that didn’t advertise simply because it knew to leave well enough alone.
Ads both plant information and attempt to persuade. How much effort went into each and how effective they are varies wildly. Furthermore, there are multiple reasons autistic persons aren’t as suseptible to advertisements; it is true that different things tend to get our attention, but it’s also true that we find some arguments to be less persuasive. For example “I did this thing and my life is amazing” is far less likely to influence an autistic person than a neurotypical one.
The secret is realizing you are never going to be happy, and that’s something no product is ever going to be able to change.
IDK, HRT helped lots of my friends be much happier than they have ever been for an extended period of time.
“Tell me what your product is and why I should buy it”
“Buzzword buzzword appeal to emotion happy white suburban family sugary jingle product in frame for like 1 second”
“… what are you selling and why should I buy it??”
The biggest problem with modern advertising is that they try to sell you on the idea before establishing what the idea even is. More often than not they’re not even selling a product so much as a lifestyle which will never apply to you, so why should you even care in the first place?
The biggest problem with modern advertising is that they try to sell you on the idea before establishing what the idea even is.
This is definitely a running theme with ads, in fact there has been multiple instances where I have seen an ad, and despite seeing the entire duration I literally have no idea what was actually been advertised to me haha.
Probably to make you go look it up and get the brand further planted in your mind. Just my hunch.
Yeah definitely, I was thinking it was so you keep watching the ad till the end to work out what it’s for which is in the same vein
I can certainly see that as the case for impulse purchases.
What baffled me was a stretch where I was getting banner ads for a particular company’s multi million dollar yachts. I was wondering who in the world would be swayed by such a frivolous thing as a banner ad for such a gigantic purchase.
Nobody is immune to propaganda.
That said, when it comes to advertisements, I hate them passionately, and will often note the brand in the advert so I can avoid it.
I don’t know how people can function while there’s a flashy animated thing to one side of their screen, I literally cannot read the main content until that is gone or covered up. It muddled my brain until it’s gone.
Heck, even an overly busy and colourful web page due to a bunch of static ads is very oppressive and difficult to deal with. An untidy website gives me an untidy mind, basically.
I just don’t get how people wade through this crap and get anything done. I’ve blocked ads for decades now, and I’m never going back.
How do you know company A is really advertising to you Company B’s product, which is a competitor of theirs?
Whenever I use a computer without an ad blocker, I’m literally holding out my hand on the screen to block the ad so it doesn’t distract me. ADHD+ND is a bitch.
OP I have the 'tism and I have just one thing to say:
You to are propaganda not immune
I propagate not immuna
I propagated with ur mom last night
Between not watching TV & the pihole router cleaning our internet feed, I may not be immune to ads, but I sure as fuck don’t see them.
How blocking affects pi temperatures? Is it same as idle?
Foolish lemmings, you only thought you could escape from the endless barrage of advertisement on this obscure technology forum, but over the past 3 months, I have TRICKED you into watching my super awesome movie that I’m currently not allowed to promote in theater!
Nowhere is safe from the masterful marketing techniques of Academy Award nominated character actress Margot Robbie. Nowhere.
Ms Robbie, you’re making a scene
You’re going to have to be way more specific than that, because as an actor, Academy Award nominated character actress Margot Robbie makes a lot of scenes!
Marketing just isn’t adjusted to people with autism because they are only a small part of the population.
They can definitely manipulate you if they so desire.
No, no they can’t esp when I block all ads
I feel like about 4% of all the comments on Lemmy are just people telling each other they use an adblocker
Do you listen to the radio or live in a state with billboards? Do you go anywhere in public? Lots of places you can’t block advertisements…
Nope live in a small town up in Canada and I use Stingray Music that has no ads and we have no adverts on our streets
Shit, is that why any time I sense the marketing it makes me not want the product??
That’s your mind’s natural immune system fighting BS
As a general rule, if I want it, I seek a good deal. If I am approached, it’s bad deal for me so I avoid.
I was today years old when I found out I was autistic.
Just kidding, I’ve known for years.
Yeah I’m pretending a bit, I’ve been aware for a mere few months now
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FWIW, I’m autistic (officially) and no autistic people I know are right-leaning.
Same. Almost every autist I know who has any interest in politics is very strongly leftist. It’s the sense of justice and disdain for obvious bullshit, I suspect. At least it is for me.
I guess missing social cues works out when they’re being manufactured to manipulate you
Advertisement: Attractive woman smiling and putting her arm around a man.
Neurotypical Subconscious: Maybe a nice Seiko watch would make me more attractive?
Autistic Subconscious: I need to remember to schedule my dentist appointment.
For me at least is more accurate to say my mind is thinking"so what is it that makes this watch better than the one I currently have"?
Actual Autistic Subconscious: That girl’s shirt is red, red is the color of blood, blood is somewhat sweet, food is sweet, I should make dinner.
That sounds more like ADD.
It’s not that propaganda doesn’t work on them, I see those types falling for neo-nazi shit all the time because they know how to appeal to them. It’s just that they process the world in a fundamentally different way, so a lot of the psychological tricks that propaganda relies on simply doesn’t work on them. It’s kind of like how the early days of white supremacy had a hard time getting women because all their propaganda played to mysogyny. Once they figured out that they can rewire their hatred of women to be a good thing (the trad wife) that’s when they started jumping on board and really driving their influence into the american culture.
I’m autistic and I’ve always felt I had a certain gullibility. If I’m reading an article, and an argument sounds rational. I’m more likely to fall for it. Even if it contains a ton of bad premises. I’d like to think as I’ve gotten older and more mature, these kinds of things work less on me. But honestly I’m not sure.
I can’t say if I’m autistic or not but I hate reading news from sources I know to be untrustworthy because I still find myself thinking “this sounds correct” until I finish reading and remember it’s 99% bs
I have autistic relatives, and while marketing tricks generally don’t work on them, FOMO and rule of cool absolutely do. My brother is on the spectrum and constantly has to have the latest Apple devices (he can afford to, he’s got a great job and he’s super smart). My dad was too and he was constantly buying any new gadget he saw.
So I don’t remember either of them ever being swayed by a specific commercial or marketing campaign, but a photo and a description could be enough, which is sometimes worse.
On top of that, their microfixations, like my brother’s with Apple, means they spend an inordinate amount of money on the thing they feel is too cool to pass up.
When my father died, he and my mom had a household full of junk- not a huge mess like a hoarder’s house, just a ton of stuff in the attic and garage and closets and so on- and most of it was technology no one would want. Like a keyboard that would put title graphics on a home video designed for CRT TVs. Or the multiple VHS-C and Hi-8 camcorders he bought. Like my brother, he could afford to do it, but what a waste of money.
So while autistic people don’t often get swayed by advertising, they can, in my experience, still spend way too much money on the cool new thing.
