Hi, I’m u/MayaFey_ from reddit, I am on the mod team of /r/badwomensanatomy.
We were part of the failed protest, and frankly we’re done with spez. We’re leaving. We have a poll on our subreddit to choose between lemmy, discord, and raddle, and lemmy is winning by a large margin so far.
So if lemmy wins, the question will present itself… which instance will we move to? As a mod team, we’d prefer an instance with open registration to lower friction for our reddit members making the transition. And we’re also looking for a place that is not accepting of misogyny or violence against women. This is me sending out feelers to figure out which instances would be a best fit and most accepting of our community.
Some details about us:
Badwomensanatomy is a community about… bad women’s anatomy. Users will reproduce images they found elsewhere (like, a snip of a facebook post, or something from a poorly drawn manga, for example) that state incorrect ideas about anatomy or incorrect depictions of anatomy. Sometimes these posts can be NSFW, or misogynistic, but the idea behind the community is we call these things out and discuss the ways they are ill-conceived and what the correct anatomy is.
Our sub is very pro-queer and pro-trans, and not tolerant of terfs at all. Though it doesn’t specifically relate to queerness or transness, so I’m not sure how good of a fit it will be.
So far, about 40 users have responded to our poll and it’s been 5 hours. Our sub has over 500k subs, but being realistic, only a few dozen or a hundred at most will make the jump. That said, that’s still a lot of users given how small lemmy is at this time.
If you’re receptive to this migration, and the poll confirms the community’s choice to go to lemmy, we can create a community here and start migrating. As a representative of the mod team, I am willing to chip in to the running costs of this instance to compensate for the increase burden.
Let me know what you think.
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You’re more than welcome to create the community here. It’s worth noting though that even after the community is created here, any user can join it from other Lemmy instances. So not everyone has to join this instance even if you move here.
As for fitting with the instance, as long as you’re explicitly queer inclusive and have no space for terfs or any other variety of transphobe, you’ll fit right in :)
Thanks Ada for your response and your willingness to welcome us in. I’ll confer with the team and see if we can achieve consensus.
I’ve been a subscriber of r/badwomensanatomy for a really long time and can vouch for the fact that I’ve always felt safe there as a trans woman.
I joined this particular instance because it felt like a safe space to be, and I think that should be one of the biggest considerations when migrating a community like yours.
I think Kobold’s concerns about spambots are valid to raise, but as it stands there hasn’t been any issues with bots on this instance. I pretty firmly believe the admin’s here would take steps when needed to stop spambots and bad actors, as they seem committed to making sure it remains safe.
I think the lower barrier to entry for people is more important at the start like you said, and simplifies things by having an instance you trust to direct your users too. You don’t want them wandering onto an instance that won’t moderate/defederate malicious and harmful content.
Thank you very much for your kind words.
I’m a reddit subscriber who won’t vote over there because of my scrubbed account - but consider this a vote to come here! I like this instance and so far it’s been drama free and very safe
We even have our own inside jokes now!
The vote succeeded for lemmy, come join us at /c/badwomensanatomy!
Dang, quite the big name to come to blahaj! Niceeeee :3
Please keep in mind that instances with open registrations are the ones most likely to be targeted by bad actors to host bot accounts. Instances that do become hosts to bot farms are likely to be defederated by other instances in short order. Not saying your decision to go for one with open registration is necessarily bad, but you should be aware that this is a concern that has been raised.
This is certainly true, and I’m aware of this. But our community isn’t tight nit and passionate as others - we fear that if we go somewhere with closed registration, very few people will make the jump.
Something else to consider is that you could create the community somewhere with closed registration, and inform users that they can register to instances with open registration… or anywhere they please. There’s no real reason they need to go to the same instance the community is created on.
You overestimate most users.
That’s equally true. I guess the main apprehension is that it’ll confuse a lot of people who’s first experience with lemmy is “register on this other site, then put the first site into the search bar so you can sub”. Ultimately we just want to ensure it’s not a shitshow.
If you’re worried about people being able to figure it out, you could post a real easy to follow guide:
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Register on one of X, Y or Z
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Click this link: [link to community]
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Subscribe
We’ve discussed this possibility a little bit. All I can say is we’re going to do our best to read the room and do what’s best for the community. We’ll probably have more discussions internally before we make the final call.
edit: I think the big issue is there isn’t a lot of role models for this kind of migration. It’s been a clusterfuck for everyone from start to finish. I don’t think any of the other mod teams expected the protest to fail this bad.
Due to the influx of users, Lemmy is experiencing more technical glitches than usual. The software isn’t as mature as Mastodon was when people were fleeing Twitter en masse last fall.
An example. In theory, participating in a community on instance A with an account on instance B should work, but right now, some or all of a post’s comments might be invisible when loading a post on a different instance. This is a known issue that will be fixed in a future update, hopefully soon. But right now, making a blanket statement that the instance doesn’t matter isn’t 100% true.
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I’d love to resubscribe, wherever you end up. I’m enjoying kbin.social but there are plenty of great options.
196 is very populair here and isn’t directly related to queerness either, so that shouldn’t nescesarily be a problem.
I contributed to BWA and will again. Count me in.
/c/badwomensanatomy. Gates open come on in!
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While there’s a brief question (basically a vibe check) in the signup form, you’re probably going to be much more in-line with the beliefs and attitudes of Beehaw.org than Lemmy. Lemmy is kind of a free-for-all right now; they just had a large Lemmy instance that had to have some kind of big vote or “review” or something over whether or not to ban a The_Donald sub that like 2 people were posting in.
Beehaw is intentionally moderated specifically to be a safer federation space, although you’d have to contact the admins about opening up a badwomensanatomy community (they don’t let just anyone spin up a sub whenever they feel like it, specifically to avoid having to go back and clean out a bunch of TD-like nonsense).
Kbin is kind of in-between those two. Lemmy is the wild west, Beehaw is a protected grove, and kbin kind of tries to keep them both happy without compromising too much on either the heavy-modding side or the “we’re not sure if we’re cool with nazis or not” side. As such, you can see content from both, while Beehaw has defederated (basically blocked at the software level) a couple of the bigger Lemmy instances (including the “do we like nazis? let’s take a vote” instance).
The downside of kbin is that it’s technologically still rough around the edges; as far as I know, there’s like one guy trying to keep up with everything on the backend, and he’s a little swamped right now, so features/suggestions are going to take a while to be implemented.
[Edit: Also, I loved your sub. Y’all rock.]
FYI: Blahaj Lemmy, the instance which we are currently discussing, is also moderated as a safe space. Not entirely sure how you ended up here, but welcome all the same! :)
… attitudes of Beehaw.org than Lemmy.
I mean, beehaw.org is an instance of Lemmy? Lemmy is just software.
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I… guess? I don’t fuckin’ know, I’m not a tech guy. I comment on cat pictures.
Lemmy is a federated system. Instead of one website (which we call an “instance”), there are many websites, each operated by different groups of people.
When a cat picture is posted on one instance, that instance sends a copy of it to all the other instances that it knows about, and those instances show it to their users too. This makes the whole system look like one big website full of cat pictures (like Reddit) instead of lots of small ones.
Lemmy is the name of the software that the instances run. The original instance, set up by the developers of Lemmy, is named lemmy.ml, but now it’s just one of many.
Kbin is the name of a different piece of software. It does approximately the same thing as Lemmy, but is completely different under the hood and was developed by different people. Lemmy and Kbin are compatible, though, and can share content with each other, so you’ll encounter plenty of Kbin users as you browse Lemmy or vice versa.
Lemmy isn’t a monolith, and is pretty different depending on where you go. The instance you’re posting on is a safe space, just like Beehaw (which, incidentally, is also run on Lemmy). There’s also other Lemmy servers that are more modersted like lemmy.ml.
Kbin and Lemmy are just software. There are Kbin instances that are less moderated or moderated too, it just so happens that Kbin is less popular right now and you’re on the biggest server.
The upside of Kbin is that it’s written in php/symfony which is much easier to develop/deploy/scale than Lemmy which is written in Rust. There are a whole slew of developers submitting PRs to Kbin. I expect the team to grow fast.
The other main difference is that Kbin interacts with both Lemmy (reddit-like) as well as Mastodon (twitter-like)
When I came over I tried lemmy.world and it just didn’t work, wouldn’t log in. So I wound up on kbin. As far as I can tell, from a user perspective it doesn’t matter which instance you land on, I can see all the content from all the instances in federation and engage as I see fit, as long as they stay connected.
It would be great to have your community join lemmy either here on blahaj or beehaw! I’d definitely subscribe! The closed registration was what most drew me to beehaw over blahaj, but I’m fairly defensive regarding potential troll exposure and the general unpleasantness of which the internet excels. Raddle could be a nice fit for you all as well. However an examination of the rules there would be well advised for those making the switch. Language frequently used on reddit would run afoul of many. Good luck with your potential move!
We ended up choosing blahaj. Come join us at !badwomensanatomy@lemmy.blahaj.zone. We’d love to see you :)
I strongly suggest beehaw.org or kbin.social
Beehaw is a cool community but they don’t allow user created communities yet and the sign up process will be a lot more work than most users are expecting.
I don’t know about that. They don’t expect you to write an essay, just a brief introduction to demonstrate that you’re not a bot or a troll.
I second Kbin
Beehaw seems chill but last I checked they were manually approving new users slowly, so it might be a large barrier for people migrating.
Although they could probably also just sign up for another instance and then subscribe to it? But that’s still additional steps.
I don’t have a technical answer for you, but as a likely subscriber - I’m glad to see you here. Its (lemmy/kbin universe) is feeling more and more like a reddit replacement day by day.
Welcome & look forward to finding you wherever the sub ends up 👍
I think lemmy.world and infosec.pub are pretty good; although that’s just based on what I’ve seen of the admins on Mastodon. I’d love to see you guys; badwomensanatomy was one of my favorites on Reddit!
