We’re trapped on a burning planet with superstitious dictators committing holocausts in broad daylight and there are forum mods/admins who find it within themselves to stop you from advocating online to ixnay a few fascists or billionaires
Reddit is a dumping ground of hate generated by AI eating fuel to wreck the planet further
Maybe this is just my media bubble, and I’m not saying I haven’t seen any articles about it, but I feel like remarkably little attention overall is being given to how many fucking people are dying in these heat disasters. Not just this one, but over and over.
It is just a common thing that it doesn’t make interesting news. Same for how many traffic deaths there are.
In that same vein, frearms are now the leading, primary cause of death for children and teens, in the US.
Boomers largely do not believe this, I’ve argued with several even here on lemmy about this, provided data, studies, they never admit they’re wrong.
Absolute explosion of mass shooting events, victims are far more likely to be Gen Z or Gen A.
Again, firearms have killed more children in the US than car crashes, cancer, etc, for several years in a row now.
https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2024/guns-remain-leading-cause-of-death-for-children-and-teens
Just checked this, you’re right. It’s a useful clarification that what the school teaches nowadays is also right but a different methodology. Schools often teach that accidents cause the most deaths, then health, then homicide, then suicide, and that car crashes are the most common kind of accidents. This is true.
On the other hand, if you group by both mechanism and intent (still among ages 15–19, though 10–14 is similar but at a smaller scale), you have unintentional car crashes in the lead, ahead of firearm homicide by about four hundred. Combine this with undetermined and accidental firearm deaths, and the lead shrinks to about three hundred. Meanwhile, there are over a thousand cases of suicide by firearms, and (nearly?) no logged cases of homicide by car.
Fact right here. I used to work as a paramedic in a city with a couple of large bridges. So many people suicided off those bridges that it never got reported. It was too common and not shocking enough.
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You say that, but infuriatingly I’m always amazed by how much above the fold top national news story reporting gets allocated to traffic deaths.
“4 year old girl dies in crash on the M1”
Okay, that’s terrible, but is it really a good use of the nation’s time to read about how lovely this child was and how tragic the crash was? Are there not maybe more informative and educational and useful news stories you could be pushing to the top of the news, rather than this?
You’d think it was some backwater news broadcaster but no, this is from the likes of the BBC. Wild.
No its not just you.
Climate coverage drastically diminished roughly during Covid, never came back, despite us blowing through the 1.5C limit 2 years ago now, insurance companies in the US more or less abandoning roughly the southern third of the US due to their own climate models, despite the AMOC destabilizing, despite us recently realizing the SMOC has actually been destabalized for a decade and is actively deteriorating.
Yes, there is clearly an active push to just ignore it, it’s been driving me insane.
Our media has a lot to answer for
Yes, but they’re poor and brown and far away, so who cares, right?
“ignore it until you can’t anymore”
Lol. A few years ago we watched conservatives ignore COVID until they were literally dead.
The harrowing thing for me about “Don’t Look Up”, was that you couldn’t tell if it was about climate change, or Covid, or basically any other far-right political denialism.
I assumed it was covid at first, but then I realised how long it takes to make a movie and it came out too soon… It was just that accurate.
Funny how a lot of criticism was about how it was “too on the nose”, but really, it still seems to have gone over people’s heads
The ending is what really got me.
They all just sat down and kept trying to live life the way they always had, like going back and making everything the way it was just for a little while was all they could do in the face of obliteration.
I don’t know about anyone else, but the way that scene is drawn out, as the viewer, I was just expecting some deus ex machina shit to happen, like a volcano would divert the shockwave, or they would survive under the rubble, or the whole thing was a fever dream… And they all just get obliterated by the disaster they all knew was coming and no longer preventable. It’s how I feel living in a house with AC, and having two cars in the driveway. I’m contributing to the climate crisis, but as an individual, I have zero impact in what is happening. The people with the power to cut back and actually make an impact on the climate won’t, because they only have that power though greed above everything else.
Anyway, sorry if you’re depressed after reading it. When we hit +1.5C, all the cool people can come over to my house for a nice dinner before the food supply collapses and the famine sets in.
Yea, it’s the ending line
“We had it good”
that really got me. The resignation that there’s just things out of your control even if you go down fighting.
If that’s your attitude, why are you waiting until later to open your home, share meals, or lend your car to people?
Theft, money, insurance.
I wanna change the world, but I still have to live in it first.
If we aren’t changing it, we aren’t living in it.
I don’t get that criticism. Being on the nose and over the top is a stylistic choice that can be really wonderful. I mean look at Bong Joon-Ho’s movies. They are all extremely on the nose. It seems like critics just have a smug preference for subtlety and ambiguity
Being on the nose and over the top is a stylistic choice that can be really wonderful
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It seems like critics just have a smug preference for subtlety and ambiguity
I don’t know why you ascribe smugness to it, someone that watches movies for a living is obviously gonna prefer films that don’t waste time telling the audience something more than necessary.
Since the audience seems to miss the same point over and over again, it might be less than necessary
Or they might be the wrong audience, a little of column A and B. Of course the arts are about communication, which requires effort on both parties, so each side bears some of the blame. But “we need to create something so obvious that nobody will miss it” just ends up producing people who are more oblivious. The computer simplification trends of the 2000s and 2010s resulted in a generation that knows even less about technology.
More horror than dark comedy, hard to laugh after watching it. Such utter helplessness after all other attempts to stop extinction from happening fail.
Makes you wish you first have to raise a revolution – deal with those elites awash in absolute power and then get rid of them from ever ruling – before taking on the task of combating the actual horror about to happen. But right now and what is infuriating is that those bastards in power are trying to squelch the voices rising up to pull them down.
So they ignored it until they couldn’t anymore.
No, brother. The dead ignore everything. Not even the death of our sun will wake them.
Ignoring something requires intent.
Does a mountain ignoring a man mean that the mountain has the capacity to take notice?
Ignorance is simply entropy by another name. Information is energy, and ignorance is the absence.
Definition of ignore: refuse to take notice of or acknowledge; disregard intentionally.
A mountain doesn’t ignore anything because it doesn’t have the capacity to be aware of anything to then choose to ignore it.
How do you know? Have you asked the mountain?
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Not that I know of.
Or it at least requires awareness
I was sure that would decimate their voter base, between those who died and those who were left to see the fall out.
Let’s not forget they were all, and still are, shitting their organs out on horse dewormer
I modded r/collapse for a little under a year. Joined the sub back in 2012 or so. I still read it, though I no longer participate.
We are absolutely fucked. I have been through the stages of grief more times than I like to admit. My goal right now is to hurry my way through the stages when I bounce back and get to acceptance. Every once in a while something will trigger me and I will spiral for several days.
Once you get past the grief, the anger, the bargaining, the acceptance makes things clear. Our world is run by people who simply don’t care. Their short life spans give them no ability to think long term for our planet or even our species. All they care about is the right now and fictional numbers going up.
Watching that sub collapse from the influx of people realising something was wrong with the world always amused me, I tried my best to stop people blowing up over Sam Carana posts, doomsday apocalypse predictions, the newest fad political posturing/doomsday devices.
There was a lot of great information there; it was pretty much the only reason I kept reddit around. Thanks for modding.
Yeah. The future is dark, no matter what angle you look at it from.
I don’t think humans will go extinct. We’re very persistent and very good at surviving. But I think there’s going to be mass death and forever wars over resources. I think our total population size is going to plummet.
We just don’t have what it takes to get enough of our species working together to address these large scale problems the future presents. Too much greed. Too much selfishness. Too much ignorance.
I wanted to go to school for this stuff, but conservative “values” have infiltrated every aspect of society is ways even most progressives take for granted and you get smacked down if you want to change anything. The only value they care about is Dollar Value.
I read collapse for a good while. Same story. Just spiraling into depression and fear for the present and future. The worst part is not really knowing how quickly it will all go. If it was quick I’d just prepare for a life not worth living as things implode into anarchy. Starving or being killed by marauding thieves isn’t a great place to be. If it were longer term maybe buying a piece of land and preparing for intermittent utilities and food supplies might be an option. The not knowing is the worst part, and yeah, the willful blindness to just “get mine” while they can and ignoring how worthless it will all be when it collapses is mind boggling. No good having a million dollars to buy an apple when there are mo apples to be had.
I used to main hanging around and shitposting on /r Collapse. They had so many useful resources.
“The Earth is not dying, it is being killed, and those who are killing it have names and addresses.”
~Utah Phillips
Inb4 pedant quibbles that “the planet itself is not dying.” Yeah, but we and our fellow creatures are. It should be understood that is what Mr. Phillips meant.
The ruling class is feeding us all into a planetary autoclave, just so they can hoard more wealth. And they KNOW it.
I think we also should consider the machine of civilization can’t be stopped once started. Steering it is a monumental effort. My best guess is they don’t care, or simply can’t alter the course we are on.
Bordeaux today: 43°C feel like: 49°C
eventually these temperatures left uncontrolled would reach Estonia.
As an American, I thought “49° isn’t that bad… Wait WTF THAT’S IN CELSIUS?!?”
Never seen temps that high before. Holy shit.
Wtf, in France? This is insane. I live in Australia where days above 40 are expected, but in FRANCE?
“We’ve survived record-breaking high temperatures before, we’ll survive them again”
(based on an actual quote from GB News, a Fox News wannabe)
if you can read this, that means u are still alive, so you will survive the next one too, surely
Breaking news : Surviving record-breaking high temperatures once makes you immortal !
Sounds like someone doesn’t understand the concept of breaking records.
Sounds like you’re just salty my cancer is at an all-time high and yours isn’t.
Or maybe they’re the kind that looks at records as numbers to be beaten
30p once claimed that coal is a renewable fuel source because it comes from trees.
The carboniferous period would be rolling in its grave if we hadn’t dug it up.
I work with a lot of conservatives (the American kind that deny anthropological climate change and anti-vax/mask). They aren’t ignoring it anymore - though there are plenty that do because stupid. They’re just handwaving it away as some natural cycle of the sun and “there’s nothing we can do about it.”
They just engage in whatever mental gymnastics that avoids the thousands of years of collective scientific knowledge and analysis that says they’re wrong so they won’t a) get the stink of being a liberal tree-hugger on them, b) be inconvenienced by any required effort or sacrifice on their part to help mitigate it, c) have to pay a single cent for it.
“Its a natural solar cycle” is literal fossil fuels climate denial circa 2003 when An Inconvenient Truth came out.
Also doesn’t make any goddamn sense for multiple reasons, the primary being that it only changes the temp by 0.1°C maximum, and as were currently working our way through the ‘grand solar minimum’ of the cycle from 2020 to 2053, and so far - line still goes up.
Pretty charts and science (which they will likely ignore): https://www.climate.gov/news-features/understanding-climate/climate-change-incoming-sunlight
At least one of the conservatives I know believes the dinosaurs died in a great biblical flood. This is powerful “you can’t reason somebody out of a position they didn’t reason themselves into” energy.
We need to do a better job teaching kids physics. Imo since trump laid off so many scientists my thought would be to send them all to schools and churches as guest speakers for science.
What we actually need is classes on critical thinking - basic formal and informal logic as a mandatory part of school cirriculums at whatever age it is appropriate.
We also need to move away from the hierarchical top-down mode of education we use today.
I agree and Science is inherently a subject that teaches critical thinking because of the scientific method.
I do feel like our society also suffers from most our society being run by business majors and lawyers who build careers on ratfucking and storytelling.
It’s called math.
50.5 C is 123 F
41.8 C is 107 Fedit : downvotes, really ? For helping people who are used to another scale??
You’re making it worse now the numbers are bigger. Converted into Kelvin and then we’ll be okay.
bigger numbers scarier
convert it into kelvin to be more okay
>.<
Something’s funky here.
Nah but we’re getting rid of the NASA satellites that monitor this so we won’t see climate change anymore
“If we stop testing right now, we’d have very few cases, if any,” Trump asserted.
He’s so smart
“It’s only going to get worse.”
That’s the theme going forward for humanity. The older I get, the more I realize humans just aren’t intelligent enough, as a whole, to adapt to a world changing at an ever increasing rate, requiring a larger percentage of humanity to work in unison to accomplish goals.
It’s looking more and more like we’re a failed experiment.
It’s not about intelligence, it’s about mass manipulation starting from the youngest age. Intelligence isn’t an inherent trait, it is taught. And the system has been perfected to ingrain fear and ignorance or apathy and tiredness in our minds.
It’s not about the species being “stupid”, that narrative is part of the poison that manipulates us, and is ultimately, an incredibly stupid thing
If I put my hand on a stove. It hurts. I learn not to do that again.
If I live in a region that has been controlled by a specific party for generations and life sucks, and I keep voting for that party, then I’m stupid.
If I’m suffering the effects of global warming after professionals have spent decades telling me it was happening, and I choose to continue ignoring it, I’m stupid.
You’re trying to absolve ADULTS from the responsibility of self-education. Of learning from experience.
There’s a lot of misinformation out there. But adults shouldn’t be waiting for someone to tell them what to think. It’s their responsibility to learn from obvious mistakes. There are plenty of people in history that have left organized religion because they learned, through experience, that it was bullshit. That means anyone that isn’t willfully ignorant can do the same.
I’m not trying to absolve anyone, saying someone is stupid is not accountability, it’s just a cathartic insult. I’m just saying that free will is cultivated, not absolute, and the choices that people have available are often invisible to them. Everyone has a responsibility to do better, but it would be blind to ignore the tunnel vision our system imposes.
Trying to be all high and mighty and stroking our ego feeling “smarter” than poor assholes who never knew anything different is part of the reason anti intellectualism is so rampant
Our selfish survival instincts that allowed us to get to where we are now will also be our downfall.
We didn’t get here through selfishness though. That’s the saddest thing. Human development has always been inherently cooperative. The tribe survived what killed the individual.
I’m not denying humans can be selfish. But societal selfishness on the scale we have now has to be enforced on some subliminal level in my opinion.
Behavioral, not subliminal. Interacting through a market selects for individual, atomized behaviors from people and corrodes social spaces that used to exist outside the exchanging of money and goods.
We’re cooperative with our tribe, but selfish with everything else. What an individual’s tribe is varies from person to person.
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Meanwhile, OPEC and one of the most dangerous countries in the world: “Drill, baby, drill! Burn, baby, burn!”
trump is bought by the fossil fuel industry. it doesn’t make sense for the US to not import solar panels. cheap energy drives manufacturing, and solar is cheap.
It’s simple: there aren’t any “big solar” companies that could pay trump or most politicians more than big oil (chevron, bp, shell, exxon) companies do.
I’m surprised there has been so little ecoterrorism in response to climate change.
I was expecting some kind of analog to the terrorist groups of the 70s in Europe for sure. But all the violence is coming from the other side.
Even though I understood what you meant and think you mean well, I have to say that I hate this word. Terrorism refer to “mass killing innocent civilians” to terrorise everyone. Those referred to by that word are not killing anyone, they are merely destroying inanimate objects or blocking roads… Nobody is terrorised by them, nobody fear for their life after their actions. We should call them “ecoactivists”, or something like that.
“Global warming” was always a weak formulation of the problem, and “climate change” is even weaker. I prefer “Anthropogenic runaway global heating” which has the handy acronym ARGH.
In german the term “climate catastrophe” (Klimakatastrophe) is used more and more often.
I like it when people use ecocide. Like ecological murder, destruction.
Words are important!
Good word, but needs more connotation of “suicide” as well.
Krakatoa dropped the global temperature by a degree for several years. All we need is multiple Krakatoa scale eruptions to solve this problem forever!
/S
I think that sort of thing has been suggested
It has, it’s basically the field of geoengineering
People are disenfrenchised. Why should they care more about the weather than the medical system, corruption, wild animals or all the other problems. People know, they are just trained to not get involved.
Showing the problem trains them to ignore it more. What they need is confidence in their own abilities.
Why should they care more about the weather
Because this weather directly leads to forest fires, floods and storms that can seriously ruin their life.
What life. Speaking for the US, our country is being dismantled by Nazis and half the country seems blissfully unaware.
Are you implying everyone is dead? Because that isn’t the case.
Even if it sucks, that doesn’t mean you have to make it suck even more. That is counter productive.
Stop your doomerism and actually DO something. Life is far from being over. Even if it it takes loading everything in a vehicle and moving away. The US is not the center of the Earth.
OK bud 👍
The US: “haha the French surrender a lot”
Reality: The French actually protest shit and US citizens will roll over and die if you tell them cheeseburger prices might go up a dollar if they resist.
I’m in Canada and we’re really not much better in many ways, but we can always look to the US for comfort knowing we’re not that bad.
French surrender jokes are a British thing, not American.
Ehh, definitely see it a lot in the 'murican zone. Maybe they picked it up from the british, but between the freedom fries and the white flag, the average yankee has a lot of disdain for the frog.
Sure, and apart from maybe bringing a temporary headline from some dramatic act of eco-terrorism, what’s the average person’s options at their disposal?
Granted, you’re posting from a European account (hi from the US where this issue is even worse), but at the civilian level with people who do not have the capital or political influence to interrupt the engine of society, why risk anything by trying? For such marginal effect?
Sowing desperation is one of the strategies of the fossil lobby.
If people organize, they have tremendous power. Going to protests, making a local group to prevent ecocidal developments. Scrutinizing the deals of local government with companies known to are particularly destructive, organizing targeted consumer boycotts, making it a key issue in who you vote for or don’t vote for.
The lobbies are scared of people breaking the apathy, so they spend enormous amounts of money on maintaining it. But if it breaks, it breaks hard and you could see changes in a year that seemed impossible in a lifetime before.
Listen to the experts, they have plenty of things the average person can do that don’t require you to commit terrorism.
those experts say that the individual efforts to curb global warming is insignificant compared to other methods. its a waste of time akin to telling everyone to recycle, only for the dump to mix it in with all the other trash.
its theater to make people think that they are doing their part so they don’t band together and demand action. just like the ‘good’ protesting we do in the states is designed in a way to give people the illusion of making a difference all wile being easily controllable, and easily dismissed. when considered that its actually used as a method of control, preaching for individual efforts to curb global warming is worse then doing nothing because you stand in the way of the conversation that must be taken to actually solve the problem.
You could collect rain water to mitigate the impact of drought. Pretty much anyone should be able to manage that.
