How is this not enforced by the court that ordered it? It should be 30 days and you end up in prison.
People are kept in prison without a conviction, for not affording bail. Owing a thousand times the lifetime earnings of other people should at the very least mean all your accounts and holdings are frozen, and you can’t spend anything without getting independent approval every time.
The settlement payout is on hold pending his bankruptcy case is why they haven’t done something like this. However, lawyers for the families are in fact trying to have his assets placed in a trust or have the bankruptcy case cancelled outright because of his spending. By design it’s a slow, complicated process where Jones has lots of legal (and illegal) avenues to delay paying. Fortunately Jones is so stupid and outlandish that he’s likely hurting his own case so I wouldn’t be surprised if a judge slaps him with more severe sanctions.
his bankruptcy case
The fact that he can simultaneously have a bankruptcy case and spend nearly six figures in a single month is absolutely infuriating.
Yes, at very least that!
They should put him under a conservatorship.
Welcome to the world of civil court decisions :(
If it had been a criminal defamation case, then it would be criminally enforcable… but all this really means is “a judge ruled you need to pay” and if you don’t pay, then you could sue them again for not paying, and it just goes in a loop over and over again. I have a friend whose family has been in a loop like this in civil court over a bad real estate venture for decades with someone who simply ignores the rulings.
It hangs over the head of the person who did it, but in the end it’s mostly just a “it’s on your permanent record” kind of stain which can stop people from working with you and damage your personal life, but it’s not like the kind of people who would work with Alex Jones don’t know who they’re working with.
That’s not true at all. You can garnish their wages or put a lien on their property. What do you think banks do if you don’t pay your loans?
https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/tips-collecting-judgment-29479.html
It’s a lot harder with rich people, they typically aren’t reimbursed by traditional means, and they can afford to hire people to obscure your assets with your businesses or trust assets.
What do you think banks do if you don’t pay your loans?
They typically take what you put up as collateral, this is why banks typically require some sort of collateral even if the person is wealthy.
Not for signature loans
Yes, and that’s the reason they really don’t hand those out to just anyone, and when they do it’s typically in limited to under 50k.
Your comment was about “rich people”. There are plenty of those defaulting on signature loans larger than $50K.
Do you have any sources for that claim? There really isn’t a reason for a bank to lend a significant amount of money via an unsecured loan. Even people like musk and bezos have to levy their stock to secure large loans.
Seems to me that failing to pay a proper court ordered civil case should be a crime, at least in the case where you’re just ignoring the court order, not where you can’t actually pay.
There’s a bankruptcy process ongoing. He’s trying to trick it but is failing.
The ruling meant nothing. The guy is on the air now calling the Maui fire a false flag.
Dude spends more in a month than I make in a year and a half. Fuckin eat these pigs.
Damn, you’re doing alright at least. It’d take me almost 3 years to make that
Lol, I make 24k a year.
Oh god why? Is this a highschool-college or non-usa country thing?
I’m from Germany and I am just not really qualified xD.
What’s the quality of life like on that salary in Germany? And is that in euro or USD? Honestly very curious.
It’s EUR, so like 26k in Dollars or something like that. It’s pretty ok, tbh, I can pay rent and spend on stuff I want here and there. It’s pure speculation, but it’s probably a lot more comfortable than if I would live in the US. I am definitely not poor or anything, but most of the people I know definitely earn more.
It was tight (bad-tight, not 90s-tight) trying to live in an American city on 40k/year.
5 years for me lol
6 years, I win
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Can’t wait for the roast Jeff Bezos and Warren Buffet pie!
Plenty of people out there spend more money just on soap and diffusers, than you or I make in a year and a half, lol
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which is why people want to be rich. it’s way bigger benefit than the money.
people think about all the maga types that are ‘one day millionaires’. nah, it’s not about being rich for money, it’s about they back a guy who does the stuff they wish they could personally do. like be rabidly racist in public without consequence
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Forgive some rich asshole who took out 5 false PPP loans? Mmm okay
Forgive your neighbors student debt they’ve been chipping away at for 10 years? Fuck that why should they get anything?!
It’s why these rich people back the GOP. The tax breaks are real but the consequences of social policies won’t affect them when they can fly wherever, put their kids in private schools and escape any social damage.
One of the people he owes money to is a cancer patient who has to crowd fund her treatments
Piece of shit
Fucking seize his assets and jail him for contempt already.
No, no. That suggests Rich people can get in trouble for doing dumb things. Can’t be having them treated like plebs?
And a pound of flesh.
He can spare it.
Trash bag human.
At least trash bags have a purpose. His only purpose is to provide a gender neutral bathroom once he’s in the grave.
Find him, tie him up by his feet, and shake his pockets clean.
Someone really needs to sic a team of forensic accountants on this asshole.
I’d like to see what those people spend all that money on.
I mean I luckily don’t often have trouble making ends meet, but apart from buying a place to live in, I don’t know how they can spend that much. I currently have to spend a lot because of renovation work, but I suspect that’s not the reason. In normal times, my “big” spends would be… maybe big home appliances, or vacations (that’s a European thing)… If I went really wild, I could maybe conceive of spending… 15 000€ in a month (not that I could really afford it, but at least I could find stuff to do it).
Beyond that, I just don’t have any ideas.
It’s got to be people, right? All I can think is maybe he has a personal chef, personal trainer, staff like that that he has to pay?
Didn’t think about staff. A trainer to shape him into a more smelly asshole would make sense. That would be costly.
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Lawyers.
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They somehow wrote in monthly “spousal maintenance” or similar payments in the prenup. It’s weird, but legal and enforceable in many states.
Jones probably chooses to try and keep some money in the family by sending it to his wife. I don’t really know if there’s a debtor hierarchy for this sort of thing, but until somebody challenges it, he’s going to keep doing it.
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Shit, if I had to marry somebody repulsive, I’d want to get something out of the deal. 15k a month is doctor money.
We obviously don’t know the ins and outs of their marriage, but this one might just not be about love.
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Not like he would marry her if she wasn’t willing to put out. People will do a lot for money.
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You say this like people don’t make terrible relationship choices all the time.
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I’ve never wished death on someone before but that might be broken soon.
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Just so we are on the same page, what exactly is he expected to do? He doesnt even have 1/50 of that amount in any form. Even if he sayys everything he owns and liquidated everything he wont have anywhere near of that. He is abusing credit lines right now, i think i read he owes like 80 different creditors 100k or something. He will definitely run out of string but what is he expected to do when he does? He is probably gonna just go to jail and not pay anything.
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Court should seize all his assets and sell them. Then seize all income. The court can then grant him a stipend for reasonable living expenses. Since he’s obviously committing fraud and refusing to pay court ordered fines. People go to prison for less.
I think it’s about time for society to have some frank discussions about this. As I understand it, he’s still at the helm because not having him in charge of these companies would hurt their ability to function, as he’s the sole reason people even pay them attention.
Having him in charge, spewing rhetoric and generally existing in spite of numerous civil judgements, continues to harm a portion of the population.
I don’t think he can be sent to prison for these specific civil judgments but I’m not a lawyer. He’s presumably paying for the court fines (to the governments bodies) but not the civil judgements (to the individual parties who have sued him). Seizing his businesses will almost certainly reduce their value, but it’s probably worth more than the near $0 that he’s currently paying back as ordered.
If this were happening to any non-rich person, they’d be living in squalor or severely under-employed to fight the system. They don’t get to spend more money in a month than the average American makes in a year, no matter the games they are playing.
This is exactly what I am thinking. He is obviously trying to game the system but he is on borrowed time. His actions show that he can make payments but the fact that he cant make payments if his assets are seized is interesting. Thats why I asked what is he expected to do if the court is asking for way more than is possible.
There’s no answer which is both easy and ‘just.’
Let’s assume that financial slavery is not something that the United States allows. We shouldn’t force a person to live the rest of their life allocating 100% of their income to garnish debts. That’s indentured slavery with extra legal steps. I think that’s probably a reasonable take for most of the population.
Let’s also assume that you don’t get a ~1.5 aggregate billion dollar judgement against you without you being responsible for it. This dude clearly has been judged by society and the result is that he needs to remit payment to atone for his mistakes. His previous business status and incomes may have eventually been able to pay that off, but the mere existence of the judgement completely obliterates his ability to pay. We’re in limbo here - it seems wrong to let him continue being himself, as that’s a big reason why he’s been judged against in the first place, but not letting him be himself hurts his ability to make good on the payments required of him.
If the government seizes his assets, he will in no way be able to cover the full amounts that have been ordered. The people will get some small portion of what they are owed. Nobody really is made whole. Alex Jones ‘loses,’ but continues to live. How much money should he be allowed to keep to himself for rent, utilities, food, transportation, liberties, etc? Should that money instead be actively sent to the other parties in perpetuity until the debt is repaid? Does Alex Jones have any incentive to keep living in that case? Are we then indirectly advocating for death as a result of the inability to repay civil debts?
I’m just going on a rant at this point. Sucks for the victims of the Sandy Hook massacre and all those who have had to deal with his bullshit. I don’t think anybody will ever be made whole or happy from this train of events, but I know for sure that there’s a line that we as a society shouldn’t entertain crossing.
This is the comment I wanted to see. I feel like this case might be used later as an example of what not to do. Yes he is an asshole but thats his brand, take that away and he wont be able to be good on paying. The only way out is him serving life in prison over this but i think thats unprecedented.
I’m hoping that these kinds of conversations are happening behind closed doors, because I sure don’t see them happening in the media at large.
I do feel that my line of thought is creeping into the “don’t let perfect be the enemy of good” territory, but I have no dog in this fight, so I think that’s a luxury I can take.
What I don’t get is yes it is a lot of money but the court should force him to sell all of his expensive toys such as the lake house and boats. Take him down to a single house and car. That way he is not spending as much money he owes his victims. Then garnish his wages to the median salary people make in the area he lives.
Granted the forced sale and garnishment should be after the bankruptcy court but they should run through this case fast. I don’t have much hope for bankruptcy court in Texas since that seems to be where all corporations go to screw people over. (Also look at how the sacklers abused the process)
The bankruptcy process will force him to sell the expensive toys but I am not sure if even that can force him to set aside money for civil judgements. In some cases, bankruptcy can also discharge those debts… so we will see.
Transfer his shares/ownership over to the victims if he can’t liquidate it.
He should not be able to sped $93,000 while not giving a dime to his victims. He wouldn’t be able to spend anything above the poverty level until he pays it off in a just world.
He was already hiding assets because his ex wife was suing for full custody and would wind up with substantial child support. Her lawyers argued that he was batshit and shouldn’t be around the kids. His lawyers argued it was all just an act. Then he got on the stand and doubled down on his “act” and acted batshit.
It’s also been known that he’s been hiding assets since due to this ruling since early 2022.
So what do I expect? I expect us to stop buying the bullshit “plausible deniability” angles these crooks keep thinking up. Plenty of people owe restitution that they can never hope to pay back. They still owe the money and are expected to make reasonable payments, to not artificially limit their income, and to not bump up their expenses unnecessarily. If they can’t do that, then the court can and should garnish their accounts above a set budget.
He will most certainly end up paying for the rest of his life but what I mean is what it that is expected here. They can seize his assets but its not enough, if they take away his company he will never be able to pay it off.
That’s why they won’t take the company, just take most of the money it makes until the debt is payed. Either that or sell the company to pay the debt.
All I want is for him to die homeless, penniless, friendless, and utterly forgotten. Is that really so much to ask?
Those kinds of punishments exist in somalia if you like their standards.
So if I move to Somalia, Alex Jones will be punished appropriately? Your “gotcha” is WEAK.
That wasnt even a gotcha you smart man 🤓
I was saying if you are into vigilante justice then maybe the West just isnt for you
I didn’t say shit about vigilante justice.
‘All i want is for him to [insert punishment outside of law]’
‘How am I talking about vigilante justice’
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“Vigilantism” is an interesting interpretation of wanting him to give over all the money he’s been legally ordered to pay to his victims
There are way too many fucking idiots on Lemmy.
what is he expected to do
Well maybe he should have thought of that first, before running his mouth like the wheezing piece of sweaty shit he is and victimizing innocent people in the process who were already suffering.
You know, I will literally never ever understand standing up for someone like this. I have an elderly far right trumper family member who barely survives on fucking social security who tries to defend Bezos and Musk this way. “Oh BuT iTs NoT lIqUiD.” Who gives a shit?! Fuck all of them.
If he managed to spend that much in a month on himself and his wife, he can manage to spend that much on his victims. Who gives a flying fuck where it comes from? Why the fuck would you? Is it his victims’ fault he has to declare bankruptcy and rely on lines of credit (supposedly)? Of course not. So he can take out more and more and more lines of credit to pay them. It’s not that hard.
Interesting question. I’m thinking what he should have done was not fuck these folks over for years, and then ignore a court order to pay them. Fuck the lenders, they knew who they were lending to.
I’m really not interested in giving this fucker any more thought than that. I have my own bills to worry over (and I’ll actually get in trouble for ignoring them). He made this shit sandwich for himself, he can have it. Actually, he shouldn’t have it, and it should be handed over to the victims, while his assets are frozen/liquidated for eternity.
