Always have been a police state, anti terrorism laws are ALWAYS used to silence ‘dissident’ voices
From 5 July 2025, it is an offence under the UK’s Terrorism Act 2000 to be a member of Palestine Action,[7] fundraise for it,[8][9] wear or display items arousing reasonable suspicion of membership,[10] or if someone invites support or even “expresses an opinion or belief supportive of” Palestine Action “reckless as to whether a person to whom the expression is directed will be encouraged to support” it.[11] These offences carry a maximum penalty of up to 14 years in prison for membership or inviting support, and up to 6 months in prison or a fine for displaying supporting items.[7][10][11][9]
Is Palestine Action a specific movement/group or is palestine Action literally just supporting Palestine? Asking from a non UK perspective.
It’s a specific group that recently broke into an RAF base and started mucking about with the aircraft, hence why the government aren’t their biggest fans.
Shortly after they did this they were designated as a terrorist group by the home office which is why public support is an offence.
Their latest action was against the planes, but they have actually been extraordinarily successful at damaging the economic machine behind the genocide through targeted and sustained sabotage campaigns against Elbit Systems weapons manufacturer and their supporters, like Barclays Bank. They have already forced the closure of two weapons factories and forced Barclays to divest. It is most likely this sustained campaign that is the real reason for the terrorist designation, though the action at Brize Norton was probably the straw that broke the camel’s back.
It certainly made proscribing them an easy sell; you won’t find many people who think it’s unreasonable of the government to take a dim view of sabotage.
Hopefully it won’t distract too much from the bigger story of almost everyone apart from the government taking a dim view of genocide.
Sabotaging the tools of genocide should be supported by everyone who isn’t a monster.
100 years from now, who would possibly doubt that PAC are the heroes here and labor are the villains? Genociders are never on the right side of history. These people are heroes.
It’s not even really a Labour issue, support for Israel has been a long standing policy (partly because the UK was largely responsible for the creation of Israel back in the 1920s) and the motion to proscribe Palestine Action was broadly supported by every party. Regardless of the morality it was completely obvious and expected that breaking into a military base and damaging expensive aircraft was going to have consequences.
Doesn’t mean it’s not the morally right thing to do. Aircraft that are being used to bomb innocent civilians should be vandalized. Hell that’s the minimum. The morally right thing to do is to set them on fire. Legality and morality are only weakly correlated. Obviously the law says what the powerful want it to say, but that doesn’t mean it’s right or just. Setting fire to a UK plane that is being used to genocide people is no different than setting fire to an empty train in 1944 that’s about to be sent out on a run to gather up people to take them to a concentration camp. Sorry, but that’s just the simple truth of it. You can cite evil laws you want, but you might as well be citing the laws of Nazi Germany. Everything they did was legal as well.
Some things are just wrong. And enabling them is wrong. And we shouldn’t be afraid to say that. The people who vandalized those planes did nothing wrong. They’re victorious heroes. We should be memorializing them in song and story. The laws of evil men are not even worthy of consideration, beyond the practical choices of those choosing to engage in such acts of bravery and heroism.
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Jet engines may react poorly with paint in the intakes. Those aircraft will need to be inspected and possibly repaired/maintained before they are allowed in the air again. That is sabotage.
they have actually been extraordinarily successful at damaging the economic machine behind the genocide through targeted and sustained sabotage campaigns against Elbit Systems weapons manufacturer and their supporters, like Barclays Bank
Can you recommend some reading on this?
https://www.thecanary.co/page/1/?s=Palestine+action
The Canary has covered a lot of their actions against Elbit and others. I’ve linked the search page above… They’ve honestly done so much stuff that this’ll probably be easier and you can just scroll through the articles.
Thank you. I see lots of vandalism, breaking and entering, blocking business entrances, and such. They are well organized and committed. They seem to have some success with that as in companies divesting or stopping to supply. Pretty impressive.
Going after the RAF for a tenuous connection to Israel was a bit too daring and turned out to be a mistake.
Agreed. I think they probably could’ve kept at it for a while if they hadn’t fucked with the RAF, but it’s at least put a huge spotlight on them I guess. Hopefully, other Brits will take up the banner under different names/orgs.
I learned about this through an interview with a PA member on Rev Left Radio: https://revolutionaryleftradio.libsyn.com/palestine-action-direct-action-against-the-death-machine
Are the protestors with signs saying they support palestinian action intending to state that they support the group or that they support action generally?
Either way they’ve manufactured this issue to protest anti-terrorism laws right?
Not sure if would die on this hill.
‘Palestine Action’ definitely refers to the group, otherwise you’d just put ‘Palestine’. I don’t think they did this to protest ant-terrorism laws, they’ve been very focused on targeting the genocide in Palestine so starting a new off-topic fight wouldn’t make sense for them.
Ah, thanks for the info.
Ah, so it’s the old “pay our people to do something ‘terrible/highly controversial’ in the name of our ‘enemy/opposing group’ so that we can discredit them and their cause and apprehend any of them”-rule
I don’t think there’s any need for false flag conspiracy theories. Palestine Action took credit for breaking into Brize Norton. I can only assume they thought it would generate enough attention to be worth the risk.
Them taking credit is no proof that they have no goverment agents inflitrated in their lines
They are known to be bankrolled by James “Fergie” Chalmbers, American millionair heir, “communist” who by his own words “chants death to America every day” and is a supporter of the Russian invasion of Ukraine and has been on Russia state sponsored visits to the regions annexed by Russia writing glowing praises of them.
It seems likely that at least Palestein action are useful idiots for the Russian state. Which isnt to say that banning them as a terrorsit group isnt massive overreach and completely undemocratic.
I think the better question is ‘Does what they did justify them being classed as terrorists’ rather than ‘Were they entrapped by government agents’.
It’s a specific group that was proscribed after breaking into RAF Brize Norton and vandalizing tankers.
AKA, they’re a group of heroes and the villainous government wants to keep doing evil.
Yes, because the world is actually a Saturday morning cartoon…
You would have said the exact same thing about the Holocaust.
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It uses Direct Action which are methods that governments tend to associate with terrorism
It’s a group but of course considering the name they will be easier able to charge anyone supporting Palestine
What does it mean to be a member? I’m still getting email updates and stuff and I’ll go to protests they organise.
I support Palestine action and I think this proscription is crazy.
Fuck that law. Isn’t that the law Putin used against Navalgny?
wear or display items arousing reasonable suspicion of membership
Bro, they’re making it illegal to wear a fucking keffiyeh. What a shitty fucking law.
People in the UK should protest en masse so that this damn police state can’t arrest everyone.
Head garments regulations are a recurring debate in France as well, what a coincidence it’s always about Muslim clothes and not Babushka’s scarfs
Let’s hope the UK citizens prove less cowardly than the US ones.
You have a lot of trust in people who voted to isolate themselves from their biggest allies and trading partners just a couple years ago.
I don’t see how relevant that is here. Arguably the EU is supporting Israel’s genocide.
It’s relevant, they’re easily led by the nose, and now they’re kissing the diaper. From what I can see, they’re no better than the americans.
They’re already monarchists
took me a minute before i realized the US only did that months ago instead of years
The British haven’t been too good at protesting in the near past
Arguably not in the recent past, but let us not forget that the suffragettes were very committed protesters. They did more than just organize symbolic protests though. They also carried out bombings and arson campaigns and one of them ended up cutting Winston Churchill’s face with a dogwhip.
The Suffragettes are certainly a good counter-example. I didn’t mean that people haven’t been protesting, just that I can’t remember any recent protests (apart from strikes which are something different) where the government gave in and made concessions.
London really showed up for the Palestine protests a couple weeks ago
Basically not since the 18th century really.
Ask your parents about the miners
They were far from effective.
Which is the point, the last time the UK protested in a big way people were brutally masacred by the government.
It was their last resort.
Eventually the regime won, but at the cost of really showing their true colors and who they stand with.
So the strikers were at least effective in that.
A lesson from history and for eternity.
They deserve respect and admiration.
Not every battle can be won, not every revolution succeeds.
But they can.
The only sure way to lose is to resign in your fate.Last effective protest was the women’s pay movement in 1968. Where all women at the factory strike. Plus many other female employees throughout the UK.
It was effective in that the law changed. Equal pay for women passed as a lawin 1971.
Question Then became is the legal requirements enough.
They used to be glorious though.
X to doubt. The UK threw out due process a long time ago, wave the ‘terrorism’ tag and egregiously Orwellian policies become law:
- Legalized warrantless arrest and imprisonment of suspects without trial or warrant for 28 days
- Permits freezing of a suspects assets without trial
- Allows unlimited imprisonment of foreigners suspected of terrorism without trial
- Military police permitted to operate on UK soil openly, even for non terrorism reasons
- TPIM orders without trial that permits electronic tagging, travel bans, limited house arrest, curfews and constant monitoring.
And all that’s before we even talk about the recent Police, Crime, Sentencing and Courts Act nonsense.
Drawing attention to the abuse of these powers is now terrorism. Please hand yourself in to your nearest police station for reeducation.
The PAC are heroes. We should be building statues of them. No one a hundred years from now will think Labor is on the right side of history here. We should be nominating these people for sainthood, not criminalizing them.
At least they have Corbyn daring to do what Sanders does not.
Hollywood level politics. Just shut up
As American, I’m always so glad to see our cousins across the water follow our inane footsteps. Cheers Brits!
Cross Atlantic solidarity against fascism 🤝
Brexit? They were first.
Atleast we’re in solidarity about being fucked off
Fuck you, government. I do not respect your existence, and day by day, am losing respect for the laws you demand we follow. Fuck your rules.
Palestine action? Never heard of them. We support Action for Palestinian.
The People’s Front of Judea?
No, The Judean People’s Front.
- The people’s front of Palestine AKA the Palestinians people’s front AKA… The name changes will cease when the facists stop being facist
I mean ok but the drafters of the Terrorism Act did think of that already, changing your name doesn’t get you out of anything. Both the IRA and National Front were forever peeling off into splinter groups with new names back in the 20th century.
How does that even work then, do they just decide what group you are supporting?
Pretty much, I mean that’s why we have judges, to look at all the facts of the case and make a decision on whether this is functionally the same group of people doing the same things as they were under another name. Legal loopholes aren’t as easy as some people think.
The movie references the splintering of the PFLP (Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine).
- 1967 Palestinian Popular Struggle Front (PPSF)
- 1968 Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine – General Command (PFLP-GC)
- 1969 Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine (DFLP)
- 1972 Popular Revolutionary Front for the Liberation of Palestine
Splitters
Palestine Action are heroes. We should be singing songs about them, not prosecuting them.
Remember, legality and morality are only vaguely related. Beyond the natural crimes of murder, rape, etc. laws are just politics by another name. And the wealthy and powerful write laws to advance their own corrupt interests. Many moral obligations are criminalized, and many things that if there is a Hell will surely get you sent there are perfectly legal.
Those planes deserved to be vandalized. Hell, they deserved to be set on fire. It’s a shame they weren’t destroyed completely. If those planes are being used to carry out a genocide, then they should be destroyed. That is the simple absolute moral truth. If the law says otherwise, then the law is wrong. Anyone violating it still needs to keep the consequences in mind. But outside observers should not be afraid to speak truth to power. What Palestine Action did was not wrong; it was an act of heroism. The UK should be electing these people to parliament, not prosecuting them. Want courageous leaders who will actually stand up to powerful interests and do the right thing, even when it’s hard? Well it seems you just found that exact rare kind of person right here.
Destroying planes that are bound to assist in bombing in Gaza is simply the morally right thing to do, regardless of the law. It’s no different than a Jewish resistance fighter in the 1940s setting fire to a cattle train about to go collect prisoners for transport to Dachau. Sometimes destruction of government property is the only morally correct choice available to people.
And we shouldn’t be afraid to say this. People in the UK should be contacting their politicians demanding a full pardon for these heroes.
Those planes deserved to be vandalized. Hell, they deserved to be set on fire. It’s a shame they weren’t destroyed completely. If those planes are being used to carry out a genocide, then they should be destroyed.
The planes were totally unrelated to what’s going on in Gaza.
Destroying planes that are bound to assist in bombing in Gaza
What’s the indication these planes would do that? Israel doesn’t even need British tanker planes to fly the tiny distance to Gaza.
Even if they were trying to use this sort of rule with wholesome intentions, I’m not sure how targeting groups by name instead of deed makes sense. It’s like doing a healthy diet by giving up Coca-Cola by name even though Pepsi and RC have the same nutritional profile and availability. Enjoy the Whack-a-mole game!
Taken to its logical conclusion, someone should start a pro-Palestinian squad and call it the Reform Party.
Some Aussie comedian on KGB News has just said that the disabled should be shot or starved into work …but a few people holding signs is the problem. How baffling.
Isn’t this a big part of the MAGA platform?
Probably. There are people here that love Trump/MAGA.
We’re they being serious? If so, please do share their name.
Also, do you mean 2GB?
Whole different line up on KGB radio I’d imagine haha
No, it’s a piss take name for GB News. Link to what I was on about.
Thanks for sending this through, I don’t think this guy is Australian though. Definitely not grown up here anyway.
What a fucking shit guy though.
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Only antisemites think genocide is bad. /s
Can you support “the political prisoners of Palestine Action”?
Can you say “Palestine Action is not a terrorist organization”?
Can you say “Outlawing Palestine Action is terrorism”?
Or is that also illegal?
Fucking fascists… A sad end to the Labour Party, but it was clear what would happen after they stabbed Corbyn in the back.
Fascists? Virtually the entire house of commons voted them a terrorist organisation, not just Labour. That was because they attacked UK military aircraft on a UK military base and concocted an excuse for doing it. That got them branded terrorists.
This does not in any way stop people rallying for Palestine or the appalling inhuman injustices they’re suffering. I’m sure there are marches happening all the time, not to mention charities to donate to, social media feeds to amplify atrocities. Just don’t attack UK bases or support those who do and you’ll be fine.
As for Corbyn, he wasn’t “stabbed in the back”. He lost two general elections in a row and he resigned. If he was still there for the last election he’d be sitting in opposition in charge of an even smaller party surrounded by a clique. He was not some saviour for Labour, he was the bane of it.
“Terrorism, in its broadest sense, is the use of violence against non-combatants to achieve political or ideological aims.”
If you call this terrorism, you can call anything terrorism, and anybody can be a terrorist. If you’re willing to do that to aid the Israel fascist state, that makes you a fascist. Yes, the entire house of commons are fascists.
And sure, that was very much illegal and they could have used any number of laws applicable to attacking a military base. Just not terrorism. But the UK military is involved in a partnership in the gaza war. They are not “non-combatants”
It’s what UK law considers terrorism.
the military does not deserve any protection from citizens and should never be an excuse to call people terrorists.
Right. Doesn’t change the fact about UK law considering their actions terroristic… You know, what this thread is about.
The thread’s about the law being akin to the law of a police state. A state is a police state if it enforces unjust laws that criminalise reasonable acts.
Hold up one saying “I support Yevette Cooper”, i doubt they’ll arrest you for that.
It’s so much easier for the frog to not realize it’s being boiled in the UK because there’s no consolidated constitution to point to
Not sure that matters too much, frogs in the US are boiling fine too. The constitution can be brushed aside just as easily.
Can verify : am frog
One frog may feel powerless but many frogs together strong.
That’s just because the R’s expressly don’t care about constitutionality. If the UK had a written constitution, both parties are still at a level of integrity where they’d want to (at least appear to) be keeping it, so a judicial challenge to these terrorist acts might have actually struck them down.
There’s still a judicial challenge happening. And just because the UK doesn’t have written constitution doesn’t mean there’s no constitution at all. Most of it is even written down, just not in one place.
Hmm true, there is the ECHR. But it is implemented into british law in such a way that there’s nothing stopping laws being passed which are incompatible with it. Whereas with the US and other constitutions you have judicial review.
That’s not specific to having a constitution. Judges in the Netherlands for example also cannot do a judicial review to determine the constitutionality of any passed laws. And that’s with a written constitution. There’s also no supreme court. The closest thing is the Raad van State (the “state council”), which evaluates all laws on proportionality, constitutionality, and executability, and then advises the government what to do with a law. It’s convention that that advice is followed, but it’s not required.
Interesting, I didn’tknow about that
Except when it comes to trans people. Judicial review doesn’t apply to trans people.
The Democrats don’t care about the Constitution either. Their platform certainly isn’t filled with promises to say, repeal the post 9/11 mass surveillance laws. They have zero interest in curtailing the powers of an out-of-control presidency; they just want those powers for themselves.
That’s because they lose their bargaining chips for elections, also being wealthy , that why they don’t reverse the tax cuts with the next preisdent
Even on the middle east eye YouTube I’m seeing so many appeals to authority and “it’s illegal, simple as. Full stop. Not for debate”.
Not sure if brigading or what but it really worries me how people think.
It’s not like they’re stupid, it’s like it’s uncomfortable for them to think.
The moron, Yvette Cooper thinks that this is the sort of violent thug that needs to be locked up whilst neo nazi and other hate groups causing direct harm to (checks notes) voters continues unabated.
https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/1536/cpsprodpb/8d95/live/2ee739a0-59ba-11f0-9074-8989d8c97d87.jpg.webp
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BBC News - 29 arrests after protest in support of Palestine Action, police say https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4gd3pkr9x1o
