It was not Trump voters who earned us our future, but the billionaires who made the Democrats so shit that fascism seemed like a good idea. The rich have all the power, and thus, all of the responsibility.

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      Sorry, but if you blame the people we need to help and work with, things will never get better. Blaming an electorally apathetic working class convinced that the system is corrupt is wasted energy. The rich capitalists standing in the way of popular left wing policies are why people didn’t think they needed to vote. The system was too corrupt to think it was worth upholding, even if things are far worse now as a result.

      I don’t blame people for thinking electoralism didn’t matter or didn’t help, because the system gave them every reason to think that.

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        Nah those people fucked us over. The fuckers who abstained, the fascist fuckers, the rich fuckers. They all are pieces of shit. Respectfully.

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          Did they fuck us over when they could’ve prevented this? Yes. Does being mad at them help? No.

          Being mad at the rich is helpful, but being mad at voters and potential voters is less so. I guess I forget how hard it is for most people to let go of unnecessary blame. Sorry

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            Unnecessary? They either chose not to prevent people from being killed or chose to have them killed. Trying to cosy up to those people will get me killed. Rather ignorant take.

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              It’s not about winning them over, it’s about not wasting time. It’s not about forgiveness, but directing anger into something productive. Nothing good can come from hating the voters, as action against them will only make them more loyal to the system that’s fucking them over along with the rest of us. The rich want working class infighting as it saves them the trouble of crushing us themselves. We have our work cut out for us against the people with actual power, so we better not waste time on avenues that will bear no fruit.

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    It was the tRump voters actually, and the Republican apparatus, and complicit media outlets like Fox news all doing their part along with the pathologically rich who manipulate both parties through lobbying and threats to ensure their collective benefit. The Dems are extremely disappointing, but the parties are not the same.

    You were SO close but still couldn’t help but reflexively flash your partisanship as you flaccidly gesture at the actual problem. Fucking figure it out.

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      I never said the parties were the same, yet that’s the only way you can interpret my point. The Democratic leadership will never change, so one way or another, they must be removed from their position in politics. If we fail to do that, fascism or feudal stoked civil war will occur ad infinitum. However, you seem to interpret me as some apathy inspiring anti-voter, because that’s so much easier for your intellectually lazy ass to handle.

      It must be so convenient to never adjust your views, even when reality proves them wrong. I’ve changed my opinions given evidence to the contrary; could you ever do the same?

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        I have and do change my views all the time. You’re asserting conclusions about my character, as complete stranger to you, that I have never changed based on a SINGLE COMMENT online, and you want to be taken seriously? Sorry I took your statement at face value instead of knowing to apply the grandiose philosopher lens where all nuance is assumed and nobody dare clarify.

        If you were as objective and mindful as you want to project, you would realize I agreed with your statement actually, instead of getting personally butthurt in the face of a minor correction.

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    It’s like a reverse independence day this year… the non-US world declares its independence from the US. But maybe next year, or hopefully in a very short amount of years, the US can celebrate its independence or liberation from fascism at least, maybe also from neo-liberalism. But first, fascism is hitting your with full deadly and extralegal force.

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          I included a few of the biggest capitalist organizations, not simply people manipulating mass media. Our fascist reality is not simply the result of people embracing bad ideas, but the conditions that drove people to believe them.

          People saw an economy that wasn’t working for them combined with a party that favored the status quo more than the voices of their voters. Democrats being in the pockets of old billionaires prevented them taking popular positions and making politically wise decisions. Decades of neoliberal policies created economic stress that made populism the only winning strategy, and the Democrats never adapted.

          I’ve talked to young people who voted Trump, and it was clear to me that there was more than propaganda responsible for the Dems losing their grip. Depressing activists, even the ones who loyally vote, did a great deal to kill support from groups that were the backbone of your party. They had no pro-Democrat narratives, only anti-republican ones, and that wasn’t enough.