• WatDabney@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    I have zero doubt that if you could somehow wave a magic wand and make it so that men who are driven primarily by boner shame were unable to even comment, the whole anti-woke movement would instantly vanish.

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      I get that you probably just didn’t think about the implications here, but this would mean there were no bigoted straight people.

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        The bigoted straight people are being accused of having shame-boners for something else, like say, trans women

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        Wait - what?

        How on earth did you reach that conclusion?

        They’re basically all bigoted straight people.

        What do you think “straight” is? Some sort of all-or-nothing biological switch?

        That’s the same mistake they make.

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          I think if you’re a dude getting a boner over dudes kissing after you specifically chose to watch that (as in the OP) and call yourself straight you’re doing some Olympic level mental gymnastics 🤷‍♂️

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            So… you’re taking the position that sexuality is just a handful of rigid categories rather than a spectrum? And that it’s a purely physiological matter rather than a primarily psychological one?

            The irony…

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              No, but that’s clearly the position you need me to have for some reason. Could you explain what you feel is compatible with the concept of identifying as straight while being sexually aroused by expressions of gay sexuality?

              It’s kinda funny that there was none of this “sexuality categories don’t real” in this post until a queer person suggested something might have been unintentionally offensive.

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                Could you explain what you feel is compatible with the concept of identifying as straight while being sexually aroused by expressions of gay sexuality?

                I think people have the right to identify however they please, and someone else’s judgment of it is irrelevant at best.

                It’s kinda funny that there was none of this “sexuality categories don’t real” in this post until a queer person suggested something might have been unintentionally offensive.

                I have no idea of the sexuality of whoever it is you’re talking about.

                And actually, sexuality categories were key from the start. The reason that insecure men fear and feel shame over the prospect of a wayward boner is that they’re afraid that sexuality is some sort of absolutist thing, such that the least inclination toward the same sex immediately removes them from the “straight” club forever.

                It became explicit when, much to my surprise, someone responded to essentially argue that same position.

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                  I think people have the right to identify however they please, and someone else’s judgment of it is irrelevant at best.

                  In that case it was very kind of you to direct a similar level of scrutiny to the people in this thread claiming that the only reason bigotry exists is because the bigots are secretly all turned on by it.

                  I have no idea of the sexuality of whoever it is you’re talking about.

                  Did you miss the subject of this entire post?

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    Imagine if gay people threw a fit every time a game forced them to be straight.

    Come on KOTOR - why can’t me and Garth be a thing?

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    Can we stop blaming queer people for homophobia? No, being a bigot does not mean you secretly like the thing/want the thing/are the thing. Yes it’s funny when it happens, no that doesn’t mean you can bring back “gay” as an insult as long as it is only against homophobes.

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      fucking thank you. racists aren’t secretly black, the hell is this moon logic?

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    Maybe some of them, but that’s hardly a prerequisite for this type of thinking/behaviour, and most of them likely are not. What they are is afraid of what it means for there to be difference. If people can be x, y, or z, then maybe they had possibilities cut off from them, happier lives they could have lived if they had gone their own way one this, that, or the other thing.

    There’s a type of rigid thinking at play: These are the options open to us all, and you will be punished if you deviate from them. And if they look around and see people deviating from those options and not being punished, they’re forced to either confront the idea that their world view is arbitrary and wrong, or they’re forced to be the ones doing the punishing. Or get to be the ones doing the punishing, depending on their relationship to violence.

    Today it’s trans people, yesterday it was queer folk, most days it’s railing against descriptive linguistics and living language. These are people who will have a tantrum about anything, because the world outside of their head will never match the rigid one inside it.

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    This reminds me of when one of my friends was playing Fallout: New Vegas back when it was still new, and decided to give his character the “Confirmed Bachelor” perk…which states that it will give your (male) character a damage bonus against male enemies, and unique dialogue options for male NPCs. It was very implied to be the “make your character gay” perk, but he didn’t realize it until he suddenly started getting flirty dialogue options with male NPCs.

    He wasn’t very happy…I still find it hilarious that he got mad about something he opted into.

    For the record, we’re more acquaintances than friends these days. He went hard right. Naturally.

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    There’s a reason they make censorship mods. And I’m pretty sure they are the same people who used to cry about censorship in games every time.

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    The whole conversion therapy was pretty big evidence of this, yes. They are angry for having these feelings but blame society for ‘giving them’ the feelings.

    Men are not taught how to deal with feelings cuz it is not manly to have feelings. Other than anger.

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    That’s what happens when you get infected by the broke mind virus.

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    Honestly, I never feel more alpha than when I get to spend time with my daughter, partner, sister, mom. Meanwhile these wannabe real male spend all their time at the gym looking at other bros’s ass, working 60 hours a week with other dudes on construction sites, and watching other guys explaining them of to be alpha. Go figure.

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    100% That’s why they think being gay is a choice, and that’s why they resent out of the closet gays who get to live the life they have convinced themselves they cannot.