Those are the type of crimes I would give a death penalty exception for.
These are the types of crimes where I don’t think a quick execution is fair
I was thinking of letting the victim’s close ones do what they want to the demons for one day, but I’m not sure what that would do with their psyche afterwards.
E: The psyche of those doing the retribution.I do beleive in restorative justice but I do wonder ocassioanlly if we haven’t gone too far into the concept that vengeance has zero place in justice
Maybe not, but it is a humane thing to do, and it removes the problem.
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For some cases there are no doubts and yet mistakes can still happen. This video was a great discussion on the topic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L30_hfuZoQ8&t=0
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I wouldn’t. It’s far more punishing and even that is far too little to throw them in a cell and lose the key. Let them sit there for endless years until they die. Done.
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No its just a fucking horrible crime. I still dont agree a death sentence should exist.
Not for nothing, but in the US, the pedophiles that end up in the prison system are very likely to experience hell on earth as the other inmates will certainly not be a fan of theirs. It’s like some criminal pecking order. I have no idea if that’s a thing outside the US, but maybe…
Even murderers have families and kids, and then there’s the whole non violent offender population.
This is almost certainly a myth. Prisons are full of rapists and pedophiles, nobody cares. The only actual code of ethics criminal organisations have is no snitching or defrauding because it hurts them, that’s all they care about.
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If a claim is made that anecdotal evidence is incorrect then presenting anecdotal evidence does not refute that claim. Even worse your sources basically say that it’s not really a big deal, because it isn’t. Criminals really don’t care what you have done so long as you don’t hurt them.
Yes, and you have presented a giant pile of conjecture, followed it up with a bunch of judgment, and then made a major effort to let us know how much insight you have, without actually providing any insight. Way to go, Jasory!
Even a bit of personal experience goes further than a pile of conjecture spewed from an internet “know it all.”
On what basis do you determine that my claims are not sourced? You have no information that my claims are less credible than those of the interview subjects. They are both unsupported and anecdotal at the worst; however you can actually find information on prison socialisation in academic papers and they largely support my claims. Swindlers are treated worse than sex offenders because this idea of moral code among criminals doesn’t really exist, they only care if you harm them directly.
“Made a major effort to know how much insight you have”
Where? Do you even understand what this sentence you wrote even means? Until this reply, I never claimed having a source of insight or argued for why my statement is correct. I merely made a statement that the common notion of “honor among thieves” doesn’t really exist, and personal stories aren’t sufficient to prove that it does. I do have personal experience with this, so technically my claims have just as much basis as the random people interviewed. However this is irrelevant because there are better sources than personal stories.
Additionally if you think that anything in this discussion is a “major effort”, you have abysmally low standards. Writing one or two paragraphs is highly trivial.
You made a profound statement, almost of fact. “This is almost certainly a myth”. This is your argument statement, it’s your conjecture and your major effort to show the audience your insight.
Stop back peddling.
You presented no sources of any kind, and then you started turning things into a research paper where I needed to submit my work in MLA format for the professor. I gave you people’s experiences; you replied with a mouth full of shit (conjecture) with no basis of any kind other than your claimed philosophical knowledge.
No, sir, you seem to have a very, very high opinion of your intelligence. You are also very insecure with this opinion. Just one glance at your social history shows how hard you try to let everyone know how much higher your intellect is than theirs. It’s problematic when you spout unfounded conjecture as fact; it’s worse when you believe the bullshit coming out of your shit box.
I don’t give two fucks how many papers on thieves you have written, or what your criteria are for the conversation because the first two sentences out of your mouth are pure elitist garbage. Go back to your hole of correcting the internet Jasory, I have no time for your bullshit.
Not enough. Too easy. I prefer to give this people years of torture under constant medical control
In what fuckin universe does that even make sense. How dull does the mind have to be to justify this? I couldn’t chop an arm off of someone I hate, let alone a kid. Let alone all the other insert word to describe this horror.
Stuff like this will become common if BJP wins 2024 election. oh wait it is already starting to
https://www.onmanorama.com/news/india/2023/09/02/tribal-woman-paraded-naked-rajasthan-husband.html
I’m not too familiar with India’s politics, but what does the BJP have to do with this incident? And how will changing parties solve these issues - is there any political party in India that’s actually good and not corrupt? I heard corruption is pretty common across all of the government sector, regardless of the party in power?
Everything. They incite violence using the fragility of our enviornment. They fund terrorists like RSS and VHP to supress minorities and make the environment more patriarchal according to hindu scriptures. some parties are corrupt but BJP is the most corrupt and it is trying to increase it more because more corruption = more hindu extreamism = more votes.
Congress is corrupt, but they’re just corrupt, they don’t care about much beyond self-enrichment.
The BJP is MAGA on crack with 500x as much religious zealotry pitched in.
Muslim genocide isn’t that outrageous to them, there were several instances where they rallied to butcher Muslims in the past.
And to make things worse, the religious conflicts are also political conflicts, because of the Muslim-majority parts of India eventually splitting into Pakistan and later Bangladesh. As a result, nationalist Indians want all Muslims to be deported to either of those places, as they consider them fundamentally incompatible with the national faith and culture, which for them are one thing and the same.
Let’s be honest, they want them deported “for now”.
Later it’ll turn back into needing those lands back for “Greater Bharat(India)!!”.
Ultranationalists are never original.
Yep, both sides-ing is a terrible argument, and it becomes clear when you see the difference in these things. Capitalism is terrible, capitalism boosted by bigotry is a whole another evil
wtf has this got to with the ruling party?! you think rapes will stop happening if your favorite party came to power?!
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For the sake of my sanity, I’m not going to read that article. The headline is bad enough. Utterly beyond comprehension.
Yeah, I’m not against this article being written, but I want a filter so I don’t have the mental image I now have.
I want a reality filter that will stop this shit from actually happening.
Agreed.
What a terrible day to be able to read.
And in english not less.
I’m earnestly asking any Indian folks why I’ve seen too many articles like this coming out of India. Why is it so unsafe for women in that country? Sexism? Regressive beliefs around sex?
Whatever country you are from, think about the most backwards/rural/remote location that has people with backwards and regressive views.
Consider that India likely has 5 to 10x the population of rural folks in small villages that have midevil views compared to your country.
Add in long standing cultural misogynist views that is so pervasive it fully permeates all aspects of government and life and you quickly get to a point where abuse and domestic violence is tolerated.
As per usual, it’s not like the entire country shares these views. It’s just the the number of backwards views in India is numerically huge because of its population.
Florida and Texas.
All countries have their Floridas and Texases. What’s yours?
Canada has Alberta.
Florida and Texas
The south
That’s really more like high evil in my opinion.
Widespread gun ownership, please. Gun ownership, not knife ownership.
Honestly, I don’t know. But then again I never felt like I belong here for as long as I can remember.
Places like Bihar, Uttar Pradesh, Madhya Pradesh, Rajasthan are so regressive that other Indians collectively call them BIMARU (sick or unwell).
This saddens me deeply.
It’s important to remember what a big place it is. A billion people. A lot can happen. And it may not be some essential quality of the entire country. I mean hell you can’t judge all of America by Mississippi.
That makes sense, it could just be a numbers game. I’m sure similar atrocities have happened in the states.
I don’t know about this kind of maiming women but there are definitely moments when I see Europeans, for example, ask “why is America so fucked up?” after they learn about something that went down in Missouri.
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luckily there is a group like this in india. They are called Gulabi (pink) Gang.
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That sounds like a good idea until you remember that women are just as capable as men of being lying psychopaths.
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Just give them guns. I mean, guns are primitive by today’s measure to manufacture. A sufficient in scale production would make them cheap.
Though arming everybody in India would mean at least one gun for every teen and adult in 1.4bln population, and also ammo.
I’ll allow it. After 900,000 years of being raped the males really do have it coming.
Homo sapiens have only existed as a species for about 300k years, and that’s probably the least of several things wrong with your statement.
I was using the greater definition of humans, which includes our ancestors species. They were still human beings, but not homo sapiens.
"Early humans first migrated out of Africa into Asia probably between 2 million and 1.8 million years ago. They entered Europe somewhat later, between 1.5 million and 1 million years. "
Per the Smithsonian https://humanorigins.si.edu/education/introduction-human-evolution#:~:text=Humans first evolved in Africa,ago come entirely from Africa.
Hominids but not humans. Not the same species. Might as well be talking about chimpanzees.
That now makes me wonder what the distribution of psychopathy is over sex.
I assume they’re independent and we’d have a “50:50” distribution.
Not interested enough to actually go and find out though.
Psychopaths exist across cultures and ethnic groups and at an estimated frequency of about 1 percent of the population for males and 0.3–0.7 percent for females. Some researchers challenge these numbers, citing bias toward male manifestations in diagnostic instruments and methods.
Source: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/articles/201906/why-female-psychopaths-are-different-breed
TYVM!
Until the 2000s, most research on psychopathy used male participants, assuming that the findings would transfer to females.
Clinicians generally don’t expect females to be psychopaths, so they might [dis]miss key signs.
Figures.
From what I read psychopaths may manifest differently in women so a lot of them may go undiagnosed
Sir, your wife is hysterical. As your doctor I prescribe medical vaginal stimulation.
We’ve had a long history of just dismissing problems women suffer.
And with psychiatry it’s really easy to dismiss mental illness as moral or character failings. I always thought I was a lazy piece of shit but I learned I have clinical depression and ADD.
Hey! One can have clinic depression and ADHD and also be a lazy piece of shit. Don’t tell me what I can’t be!
So we will only allow half the females to kill rapists? Is that how statistics works?
What the fuck is wrong with these people? What has to be going through your head to even think about doing this?
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What a terrible day to have eyes
From actually reading the piece, this headline is wrong. It should read “Gang-raped 14 year old was burned alive then cut to pieces”
Which actually makes more sense
For transparency, it says that she was alive when she was burned, and the body was recovered from more than one location and this made the investigation harder.
So I have then concluded that she was burned alive and then cut to pieces, rather than cut to pieces alive and then burned.
Glad we cleared that up.
isn’t that worse? i heard being burnt hurts more than being cut.
Yeah, it’s supposed to be the worst pain
Look at the flithy faces of perpetrators. these are the filthy people who did it. may they rot in jail. also fuck BJP
Put each in a 5x5 cell with a light that never goes out. No human contact, just them alone with their thoughts for the rest of their miserable lives.
Minimal food and water supply so they are kept barely alive. Every few hours piss in their cells.
It’s not recommended to give any attention to perpetrators, that’s what they desire.
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It’s offensive to the animals to be comparing them to humans. No non-human animal would have been this cruel.
Have you ever sat around and watched ducks?
Bastards, I tell ya.
I’ve seen the female mallard with half of her feathers removed, floating face down in the water dead, all while the males continue to gang rape her for hours.
Maybe we should compare people like this to ducks.
Assuming that’s exactly what you saw, at best you can compare it to necrophilia, not being burned alive in a furnace.
Oh no no no. She was very much alive when they started.
I heard the horror from my bedroom window. See, I had a creek in my back yard, and across from that creek was the only stretch of land that wasn’t a mountain. It wasn’t a big stretch either.
I looked out the window and I seen her running in absolute horror, “QUACK! QUACK! QUACK!” They got her three at a time, sometimes more. They started with the feathers on the back of her neck. She was running around with a bloodied, naked, neck. Then they held her down and started ripping feathers from everywhere. She ran for the water and tried to swim away. One by one they held her head under water while another climbed on her back holding her by the skin of her bleeding neck. Feathers flew. She’d get her head up to quack a quack of terror, and they’d dip her back in.
It wasn’t long until she was floating with her face in the water. The rape went on for hours after that.
Can’t proofread, have toddlers.
Have a good night.
Now its your duty to put down those other bastard ducks. String them up from the lamppost as a warning to the other bastard ducks who live nearby.
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That’s India for you.
What the actual fuck
Wtf man, they should rot in jail for life.
Stuff like this becomes common when people care more about identity than real problems.
They deserve guillotine.
No, they don’t deserve a quick death. They deserve to live a meaningless life in a cell
To be fair, for this case I’m all for a public execution so potential criminals should know what will they get.
What in the fuck
