I feel like this is actually what republicans want. Feels like they want another minority woman to run right into them again. She’s wonderful but it feels like political sabotage.
She’s one of only half a handful of Dems that sound ready to lead people into battle. The difference between how she uses knowledge and intelligence to speak to people is in stark comparison to Trump sounding exactly like he has dementia. She listens and responds. Trump just keeps interrupting any question he doesn’t like. Fuck you Maga. Fuck you entirely. You god damn idiots.
Funny what happens when you actually do something.
I would prefer a new party, but I’m glad that she and Bernie are still out there.
She’s one of like 3 US politicians that I don’t just kind of low-key actively hate.
I hope she will be successful in actually overtaking the party to some degree, as most high-ranking party members would certainly see that differently
If she jettisons neoliberalism and takes a stand against genocide and imperialism she could begin to make a difference.
Well afaik she’s the only one doing a nationwide campaign at the moment
Disagree. The Democrats dont know who they are anymore. Pelosi and the old Democrats have got to go.
AOC should just make a new party.
No, we don’t have time for that. We just have to do a tea party on the Democratic party… Which is what she’s been doing
They do have to go, but we’re keeping the house and the dog
The Tea Party of the Left is what we needed back in the Obama days, better late than never.
There have always been factions in the main parties. Obama was part of a wave of more progressive Democrats that pulled away from the moderate liberalism of Clinton.
There are also formal sub parties like the Blue Dog Democrats and the New Democrat Coalition, the us news media just doesn’t report on them the way European news does for parties.
Even AOC and “the squad” are considered a faction with followers and enemies. The fact that the media is focusing on her and de facto making her the face should be a pretty big signal to the other party leaders that they need to get their shit together or be swept aside. Hopefully they fall in line to help her.
There have always been factions in the main parties.
It’s almost like 2 political parties is insufficient representing the people.
With state level electoral reform, we can ensure equal access to our electoral process for all political parties willing to run.
Electoral Reform Videos
First Past The Post voting (What most states use now)
Videos on alternative electoral systems
Sadly my expectations for the Democrats is that they will ignore every red flag on their way to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
I live in Texas, I know the struggle, trust me.
The democrats will never drop their rabid anti gun stance. They will never stop pursuing full disarmament. Beto gave up the game in texas, he should have pretended to care about people’s right to bear arms. But the zealot couldnt contain his gleeful enthusiasm to see the working class disarmed. Times have not changed as we can see through David Hogg’s ascension in the party.
Not even a insurrection and blatant disregard for other civil liberties the democracts currently hold dear will shake them from this losing policy.
We live in the shitter multiverse. No one will protect us but ourselves. Not the justice system, not our constitution, not even the democratic party itself.
If you can’t see this now, given current and past events, there is no need to type any further.
lol obama was about as progressive as george w bush in fact he killed a lot more poor middle easterners than bush. he campaigned on a pile of lies he never planned to implement
That’s why I never believed in the rhetoric of “it’s too late to consider 3rd party!” before the elections. Here it is just 6 months later and “we don’t have time for that”. Is it disingenuous then to just say there will never be time for that, like it is being implied here?
edit: just saw your other comments, I hope your DNC-tea party plan works with some effect. It’s harder for those who have voted for decades for a party that just isn’t responsive to the citizens so we’ll see I suppose.
That’s why I never believed in the rhetoric of “it’s too late to consider 3rd party!” before the elections. Here it is just 6 months later and “we don’t have time for that”. Is it disingenuous then to just say there will never be time for that, like it is being implied here?
It takes years to get a new party off the ground and in a meaningful position to take federal offices at any significant rate. During that time, you are mostly helping your farthest opposition of the main parties win by splitting the vote.
This is literally why the Tea Party operated by internal change of the GOP and not by starting a third party. And love them or hate them, they were effective at shifting the GOP.
My concern with this take is “what are we considering this effect to be?” If we are taking the average republican who wholly considers themselves to be “Conservative”, their party was overtaken by extremists who are the antithesis to what the goal of that meaning is.
I don’t want a “Blue Maga” which takes the party away from progressive policies in an attempt to drum up fanatical support “against the tyrannical reds” while in reality they continue destroying the democracy we have. An example is a new DNC who wishes to prosecute and deport those who are on the right (there are examples on this site of individuals who are “progressives” but think the “right” should all be rounded up).
When people say they want a “tea party” I think it’s way to vague. Talking about the “effectiveness” of how the GOP has been changed is just completely scary, since in reality it just became a mask off-authoritarian free for all. I don’t need a Corporatized DNC to decide they no longer need the decorum of piece-meal policy that helps citizens since they know everyone has no other choice (like what happened with the GOP).
Again, I really hope a “Left Tea Party” would cause the DNC to capitulate to progressive ideology, but that’s not what happened on the conservative side (as evident from the big beautiful bullshit-bill).
edit: taking=talking, fixed a confusing sentence
It would take many decades for a new party to get the recognition.
Most voters probably think Obama is still president.
Would it though? I’m not convinced of that. We already know what the party should look and act like based on actual progressive parties and policies around the world (even some past actions in the states itself), we really just need a name to know it by for everyone to get behind.
It’s the whole problem-solution thing, doesn’t matter what the name of the website or company is, we just need something to step in and fill that gap.
You might not have noticed my point.
I think the vaaast majority of voters just vote the way they always have. They’re just not engaged. There’s no consideration of who to vote for.
I honestly think it would take either a revolution, or several decades before any other party has a chance.
Sadly many of them didn’t know Kamela was even running until they couldn’t find Biden’s name on the polls come Election Night.
State level electoral reform, allowing more then two political parties to be viable.
You’re not really disagreeing. AOC is perceived as the face of the democratic party and it’s true. She’s at least offering consistent resistance while the feckless leadership of the party does nothing but line their pockets and ensure 100 percent unconditional support of Israel to the determient of all else.
I don’t even disagree with your conclusions necessary, if it’s impossible to dislodge Pelosi and Schumer. But building a party from scratch is really fucking hard. Hijacking one might be easier.
“MAKE A NEW PARTY!11111!!1”
That’s not how America works. Only Democrats and Republicans can actually get elected at the level AOC plays at, because the electoral college only recognizes Democrats and Republicans.
The Whigs are still on the ballot then, right? Since no new parties are ever made, and third parties can never win, it’s still Democratic-Republicans vs the Whigs in 2025, clearly.
That made me chuckle.
Thank you! :3
Thank you. A little mirth where we can find it is mandatory!
If I can’t laugh about something maddening, I’ll go even crazier. I already have 4 mental health issues, I don’t need to add more. My plate is full and I’m low on spoons.
I hear you, friend. I daresay too many share the experience. I’ve certainly been there, before, and I am in full accord. Make merry where we can, it lightens the load for a moment. Wishing you the best.
They’re going to stay there making bank off of insider trading until they’re so ancient someone accidentally walks through and disperses the dust cloud known as Pelosi, and they finally decide they have enough money to reach supply-side Jesus.
Just insider trading? Those super pacs are the fucking Democrats and Republicans at this point. Greed itself is our new overlord, business ethics are dead and rotting.
Those super pacs are the fucking Democrats and Republicans at this point
they always have been. people have been pointing out how dems and republicans are two arms of the business party for a hundred years
Surely 3rd party will work this time!
You’re right. We need to get real. Those who support Democrats are just throwing their votes away. At this point, the Democratic Party has proven itself utterly incapable of winning a national election. Voting for Democrats is throwing your vote away. A vote for a Democrat is a vote for a Republican. We need to focus on real political parties like the Working Families Party that actually have a vision that they’re trying to fight for. Democrats don’t believe in anything. Democrats don’t even care about winning elections. A vote for a Democrat is a vote for MAGA. Centrists may not like voting for a progressive candidate, but they need to get over themselves. If centrists want to vote for Democrats, they’re choosing Fascism over Democracy.
At this juncture, a complete reboot seems necessary. The Constitution is old and more cumbersome than reasonable. We can do better.
Potentially with local elections first. Build it up from the ground up.
Not like the Green Party and Jill Stein’s goofy ass.
So the Dems are running the campaign for JD Vance now? Wow, easiest election ever
I have said this elsewhere, but i will not again vote for the Democratic Party until they actually put up progressive candidates. Not pinky swear to pass progressive policy. That means the candidates has to have a provable history of struggling against the Democratic Party to pass progressive policy. There are only two i know of and that’s Bernie Sanders (who is too old for the presidency), and AOC. Else it’s third party until the democrats learn better.
I will vote for the democrats if I am able to transfer my vote after my real choices dont win. Best get on that electoral reform blue states.
I will vote against genocide, even if it means voting for a lesser amount of genocide. I’ll never vote “no preference” on genocide.
because nothing says America wants left wing government more clearly than electing the republicans!
That was a calculation made by democrat leadership. They banked on further alienating progressives for their donors, and to push for the Republican values they truly want. Every compromise against progressive platforms has been a full rightward tilt. They miscalculated the severity of their abandonment of progressive voters. Arguments to “vote blue no matter who” and “don’t let perfect be the enemy of good” are obfuscating the reality that we are here because of this rightward ratchet. And all progressive promises turn out to be lies convenient during an election. Blaming disenfranchised voters is an attempt to defer blame where Is doesn’t belong to maintain power, and is a losing strategy against republicans.
Exactly, it’s not the job of the voters to convince a party their interests are worth pursing, it is the job of the party to convince voters that they will pursue their interests.
Donor money alone can not win an election and a failure to engage with voters will sure as hell lose it.
That’s a lot of words to cover over your preposterous assertion that electing the neo fascists shows how America wants left wing government.
The Democratic Party lost to Donal trump, this is the second time. Seems to me the democrats need their progressive voters. Best they answer to them.
Like a lot of folks on lemmy who claim to want things to be better, you’re full of criticism of the democratic Party and can divert absolutely any topic whatsoever to be the fault of the Democrats, and trying to get you to come up with any genuine criticism of the republicans will fail because you’re perfectly happy with the continued dominance of the far right as long as you get to talk about how the policies of the Republican Party are the responsibility of the democratic Party and the people who vote for them. It’s actually insane nonsense and I see through your doublethink even if you don’t.
You make foolish assumptions about me that could be easily disproved by a glance at my history. Democrats do not get to sell out their base just because republicans are more evil. Turns out that the democrats are incapable of dealing with the situation. So before we can work on republicans we have to bring democrats to heel.
Complaining about republicans being stupid or evil is a waste of time because at this point i don’t see any republicans voter being swayed by logic or empathy, or even their own interest. Its a waste of my breath complaining that water is wet.
Its too bad the Democratic party is so full of shit that trying to clean house has put you on the defensive. And you reflexively blame abandoned voters for the parties failings. But the party is too incompetent and an active obstacle in dealing with trump
There is no more Democratic Party.
Are they… Still considering Harris for 2028??? What? Please god. Make it stop. Please.
It’s.
Her.
Turn.
“It’s my turn.” was everything wrong with Hillary’s campaign in a nut shell.
How the fuck are you able to make yourself look like an unhinged ego-maniac who just wants to be President for the sake of being President, when you’re running against Trump? That shouldn’t be possible.
How the fuck are you able to make yourself look like an unhinged ego-maniac who just wants to be President for the sake of being President, when you’re running against Trump?
This isn’t a problem of Trumpism, it’s a naturally occurring brainworm in Americans broadly speaking. Trump’s a nasty dim-witted freak, so watching him climb to the top of the pile we’ve been raised to believe was a meritocracy causes all sorts of cognitive dissonance. But everyone running for President (except maybe Mike Gravel) ends up looking like this. The thing that separates the Obamas and Trumps from the Hillarys and McCains is whether cheering for the unhinged ego-maniac feels fun or not.
She’s just the most recent candidate. The most recent candidates, and most recent Presidents and Vice Presidents are almost always in these sorts of lists, especially in the weeks and months following an election, before the next campaign starts.
Joe Biden was a favorite in these sorts of polls in 2015/16, despite saying he wouldn’t run, because he was just VP.
HRC
Take your up vote and go think about what you did.
I still have to lol about how the stupid qons tried to use her dancing in university as some kind of BAD thing.
Back when Denver Post still had a comment section and they’d allow gifs, and if the topic was AOC, I’d post her dancing. A few of the local wingnuts would try to get me banned/my posts removed over it, esp. if one of the qanon mods was on-duty…
She’s the best. Why the buzzkills in the unhinged right tried to paint a beautiful intelligent rep like AOC dancing during college as a bad thing is anyone’s guess, but that sure as fuck blew up in their faces…
AOC dancing and having fun is somehow anti-American and full blown socialism, according to Republicans.
Why the buzzkills in the unhinged right tried to paint a beautiful intelligent rep like AOC dancing during college as a bad thing
Because she’s leading moral and dignified Christian men into sin!
It’s not my fault / I’m not to blame / It is the gypsy girl / The witch who sent this flame / It’s not my fault / If in God’s plan / He made the devil so much / Stronger than a man
So let me get this straight: somehow just dancing is somehow worse than drinking beers in fraternities and raping?
She’s a woman with a will of her own, that’s enough for anyone on the Right to hate her.
What I really can’t stand though is when they try to pretend she’s dumb. I mean when we on the Left call Trump a moron, we can actually point to things he did and said. When they try to paint AOC as an airhead, they mostly just repurpose old blonde jokes to be about AOC, there’s never anything she actually did or said that they bring up.
Ever notice that?
God I’m glad I don’t use facebook anymore
Apparently 🤷♀️
She committed the sin of being a woman
I don’t get it neither, let’s turn it the other way: why would anyone want to vote for someone/something that doesn’t show basic human emotions and doesn’t have fun?
well Trump shows the basic emotion of love but for money only
I disagree. He doesn’t love money. He covets the respect and power that he believes money brings with it and if forever angry that even with the presidency he can’t get the true respect he believes he is entitled to.
Yea that too but I feel like if someone told him “you would be the most respected person in the world and very powerful if you agree to live an economically average life (think Merkel but more modest even)”, I don’t think he would agree. Maybe because he thinks if he has money he can anyway buy the others but still money is not just a tool for him he is hooked on the luxuries it brings too.
Zero chance the DNC will run her. They’ll give us another white bread, right of center, compromise candidate. The Overton window has shifted so far right we need to build a new wall to house it.
Oh I fully expect Democrats to endorse Trump for a third term if the alternative is a real progressive.
Personally, I think it is too late to save the DNC. Best to start over in a better place.
This is something I see come up a lot, but I think people are severely underestimating the amount of infrastructure that would be lost by “starting over.” Fundraising, state committees, local committees, volunteers, etc. “Starting over” effectively means surrendering nearly every election on any scale larger than a municipality to MAGA Republicans for years while those networks are rebuilt and the country cannot survive that. We need more political parties, but unless and until a viable 3rd party emerges, we’re stuck with what we’ve got and refusing to support the only non MAGA options at the ballot box will actively make the country worse.
If you don’t like it, help build that 3rd party and recruit candidates and donors to your cause (or try to shift the DNC and the Overton window back to the left). Until that’s done there unfortunately isn’t a better alternative.
…think of all the cost already sunk into this failure!
Fundraising, state committees, local committees, volunteer
What if those things are not actually essential in modern day politics?
What if they’re more important than ever before in American history?
Then the same type of politicians will rise through the existing system.
All of the shit that’s current existing that you’ve listed isn’t working. Touch it.
I think most people wouldn’t want to. Unfortunately, I suspect that the Trump Regime only offers two choices: submit to an existence of GOP rule for the rest of our lives, or force the GOP out of existence.
As a very lazy person, I would prefer to coast throughout my life and not worry about much. Unfortunately, that gets harder with each year that passes: the economy is getting worse, RFK wants to send me to an wellness farm, innocents are being trafficked to death camps in El Salvador, and rules that erode liberty for the everyday person are being imposed upon us.
If people like myself don’t get into a “start over” mindset, we might end up paying the price for the rest of our lives.
If Dems just move a little bit further to the right…
The Overton Window isn’t real. Political parties can create their own political realities by leading the electorate, rather than cowardly tailing the electorate like they’re advertisers trying to sell a product.
Political parties can create their own political realities by leading the electorate
Manufacturing consent? What ever happened to representative democracy?
What ever happened to representative democracy?
Political leaders don’t just represent the electorate, they lead it. Political reality has always been shaped by parties and leaders, even if sometimes those leaders aren’t electoral and so we pretend they aren’t political leaders.
For example, MLK Jr was a political leader even if he wasn’t elected. He created political realities through organizing and activism and propaganda and sloganeering and speeches. He didn’t just wait around for the Overton Window to move, he moved it.
Is that manufacturing consent?
Either we use politics to shape political reality or we allow the right wing to do it for us. Fascists will manufacture consent for our extermination if we let them.
The Overton Window isn’t real.
Define real? There is certainly something in US politics that acts exactly like Overton Window.
It gets the causal relationship between political leaders and the masses backwards.
The Overton Window presupposes that politicians are limited by the electorate in what they can discuss and pursue; there’s a range of acceptable politics which is created by public opinion.
The reality is that public opinion is created by political leaders and politics is the tool they can use to change the range of acceptable opinion.
By getting the causal relationship backwards there is a tendency to tail the masses rather than lead them. Instead of using politics to create new political realities, politicians behave as if they are trapped within the existing political reality by politics. They seem to think politics is something that happens to you, rather than a tool you use to do things.
There’s a range of acceptable opinion, sure, but it doesn’t limit politics. Instead, politics creates the range of acceptable opinion.
That’s an entirely novel way for me to think about that, and I like it, and now I need to let that percolate. Thank you.
sounds extremely unlikely tho.
