• JandroDelSol@lemmy.world
    3·
    14 hours ago

    At least in regards to surgery, y’all realize it just genuinely is more dangerous to receive surgery as a fat person, right? Anesthesia is already a delicate balance, and the more fat there is to metabolize it, the thinner the line between not waking up during the surgery and never waking up again becomes. Any sort of surgical wounds heal much slower and worse, since it’s basically impossible to sew fat back up.

    And look, doctors really don’t want you to have to spend money, especially here in the USA where healthcare is incredibly expensive. Losing weight does help alleviate the symptoms, and if there’s still a problem, the medicine will likely be more effective since excess amounts of fat cause issues with absorbing medicines.

    This isn’t a moral judgement on being fat, but please, for Christ sakes, listen to your doctors.

    • TempermentalAnomaly@lemmy.world
      11·
      1 day ago

      Sometimes people with addictions need a little tough love like that.

      Why do people do this? Is it just easier than the more difficult solution of giving someone a sense of connection and a sense of being seen…?

      Fuck… If you’ve ever spent time with a population of addicts, you know they are the toughest people on themselves. They know they are going to die. And they know that everything they’ve tried failed to change that course. If you’ve ever met those people, which are most addicts own their addiction, you know that this is just another drop in the shame bucket.

      If you can’t sit with how off base your comment was, you need to really look you at yourself in the mirror.

    • quetzaldilla@lemmy.worldEnglish
      10·
      1 day ago

      My ex has been sober now for a couple of years, is a super intelligent and rational guy. Very calm. Emotionally intelligent.

      We couldn’t convince him to sober up, no matter how firm, rational, or blunt we were with him, and thus we broke up.

      I asked him what finally got him to sober up, he said he met someone who connected with him without judgement and gave him hope.

        • quetzaldilla@lemmy.worldEnglish
          5·
          21 hours ago

          It wasn’t implied. I simply did not.

          Back when all that happened, neither of us understood that alcoholism is a disease and not a character failing.

          The alcoholism intensified as part of a stress reaction to other relationship communication problems we already had. And that point, he had done extensive damage to both of us I could not easily forgive him for.

          The person that got him to go to AA was a blank slate for him, and a recovering alcoholic who understood what he was going through-- I’ve never even drank alcohol my whole entire life because I’ve never liked the taste, so I could not relate to him.

          We’re great friends today because we extended each other grace, simple as that.

    • zero_spelled_with_an_ecks@programming.dev
      9·
      1 day ago

      Do you have any peer reviewed journal articles on the efficacy of being mean to people? We’ve been asshats to fat people for a really long time and, I hate to break it to you, it hasn’t made anybody thinner. So next time you think about giving some “tough love” to somebody, remember that it doesn’t work and you’re just finding an excuse to be a garbage person.

        • FooBarrington@lemmy.world
          4·
          1 day ago

          but now there’s the “fat positivity” movement. Being too kind to these people and affirming their delusions about how other people are just bigots for not being attracted to people who can’t fit through doors in most buildings made the number of overweight and morbidly obese people skyrocket

          Can you clearly show this using data? I’m not saying you’re right or wrong, but if you’re right, we should see a clear change in data starting from when the body positivity movement started (i.e. not just a continuing trend).

          • JandroDelSol@lemmy.world
            2·
            14 hours ago

            Yeah, I think that quote is mixing up causation and correlation. Obesity rates have been rising for the past few decades, mostly linked to processed foods containing higher calories becoming more common, but there’s not a jump due to fat activism.

            I do think that there are some fat activists go too far. Like, no, you aren’t entitled to have hot people be attracted to you, no one’s entitled to any attraction at all. However, going out of your way to be a dick to them doesn’t help, just like you aren’t bullying someone out of inceldom.

            • FooBarrington@lemmy.world
              1·
              13 hours ago

              That’s also my perspective. Sure, some people go to far, but that’s literally always the case. But the obesity epidemic has far bigger reasons, ultimately coming down to late-stage capitalism.