• Lvxferre [he/him]@mander.xyz
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    I’m not opposed to A"I"; far from that, I actually use text generators a fair bit, sometimes image gens. It’s simply a technology and I use it as such. And I still bloody hate how corporations handle it:

    • Always two weights, two measures. If you violate their IP, you’re a filthy criminal; if they violate yours, you’re overreacting and a luddite and harming progress. I want to see copyright gone, but if it is not, then apply it consistently to all sides. (By the way, fuck “Open"A"I” and their Bob Dylan defence.)
    • Always nagging you to use it. If you’re nagging me to use something, it’s because it’s in yours best interests that I use it, not mine. No means “no” dammit.
    • Always implicitly lying about its abilities. No, I’m not going to ask it anything where a bullshit answer might ruin my day, stop misleading me to do so.
    • Always downplaying issues. Yeah, nah, I’m not blind to the environmental concerns around training those huge models. Or that corporations - that don’t understand what “consent” means - basically DDoS sites to train their models.

    But of course they won’t talk about this, right? This sort of questionnaire is not made to genuinely obtain feedback; it’s made to mislead you.

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    I don’t care if your language model is “local-only” and runs on the user’s device. If it can build a profile of the user (regardless of accuracy) through their smartphone usage, that can and will be used against people.

    I don’t know if I’m understanding this argument right, but the idea that integrating locally run AI is inherently privacy destroying in the same way as live service AI doesn’t make a lot of sense to me.

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      think of apple’s on-device image scanner ai that flagged people as perverts after they had taken photos of sand dunes.

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      building and centralizing pii is indeed a privacy point of failure. what’s not to understand?

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        The use of local AI does not imply doing that, especially not the centralizing part. Even if some software does collect and store info locally (not inherent to the technology and anything with autosave already qualifies here), that is not close to as bad privacywise as filtering everything through a remote server, especially if there is some guarantee they won’t just randomly start exfiltrating it, like being open source.

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          I don’t care if your language model is “local-only” and runs on the user’s device. If it can build a profile of the user (regardless of accuracy) through their smartphone usage, that can and will be used against people.

          emphasis mine from the text you quoted…

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            I don’t see how the possibility it’s connected to some software system for profile building, is a reason to not care whether a language model is local only. The way things are worded here make it sound like this is just an intrinsic part of how LLMs work, but it just isn’t. The model still just does text prediction, any “memory” features are bolted on.

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              Because these are often sold with profile building features, for example, recall. Recall is sold as “local only” with profile building features. So it continues to be centralized pii that is a point of failure. As the quote says, as i said.

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                Even with Recall, a hypothetical non-local equivalent would be significantly worse. Whether Microsoft actually has your data or not obviously matters. Most conceivable software that uses local AI wouldn’t need any kind of profile building anyway, for instance that Firefox translation feature.

                The thing that’s frustrating to me here is the lack of acknowledgement that the main privacy problem with AI services is sending all queries to some company’s server where they can do whatever they want with them.

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                  why do you care that someone didnt say it was worse enough? “x is a problem, if y is true then z is a problem” -> “why didnt you talk about x”

                  silly.

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      I’m much more accepting of fursonas than plagairism machines that can’t be trusted to give accurate information.

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          It’d only be a fetish to the people who only like furries for the porn they make and don’t have an interest in the rest of the subculture that it comes from, which probably isn’t the sort of person to use a fursona to represent themselves on a tech blog in the first place.

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            It would be a lot easier to engage with the subculture from the outside if the porn wasn’t so prevalent or up-front as it is/had been in the past, and if the weirdest/most socially maladjusted members of the culture didn’t tend to be the most attention grabbing (but that’s an issue with almost every group online though).

            If you’re up for it, I’d love to be pointed at some good examples of the subculture outside of the fetish/kink stuff.

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              Some of that is down to the general culture of the furry fandom I think, it tends to be a fair bit more sex-positive and less inhibited society at large, and while porn is a thing fairly common to humans in general (obviously not every human engages with it and the degree varies with the person, but still, it isnt exactly rare), if you have one group of people who have far less of a taboo about talking about and sharing it than those outside that group, thats the thing that outsiders are going to notice about them, especially if the stuff they make in that category is visually distinct from adult content found elsewhere. Its not universal of course, there are definitely puritanical furries out there if you look for them and the fandom is big enough that I cant say with certainty that the people Ive encountered are entirely representative of it, but thats the notion I get.

              To be honest, Ive come to get it over time, it can be nice to feel like you can just be open about every interest one has without having to think about which things are and arent suited to sharing with other people, but the natural consequence of choosing to reject a social norm is looking cringey or worse to those that still value it.

              As far as where the subculture goes outside the fetishey stuff, theres a lot of digital art made that isnt sexualized, but beyond that Id point to some of the more “irl” stuff furries are known for, like conventions, fursuits, and other related crafts like that (ive seen people with things like custom made plushies or other physical art). While some do bring adult things into those, it isnt really the norm. More or less all the sorts of creative or social aspects that you might expect of a media-based fandom, like star trek fans or such, just without any one big IP franchise behind it and instead an emphasis on making your own stuff with an informal set of shared themes and tropes.

              I wont try and point out specific events and craftspeople, since I am an extremely shy and anxious person irl and most of my interaction with other furries has been online spaces, mostly with my specific friend group that happens to be made up almost exclusively of them, but there are quite a few, especially in the US and EU. Anecdotally, that shyness is part of why I got into it in the first place, it somehow feels easier for me to make friends and generally interact socially, by creating a character that represents a more idealized version of myself that is more outgoing and less anxious, and pretending to be that character. Which is one of the things a fursona is, its partly an internet avatar and an outlet for creative expression, partly a subculture identity signifier to help find like minded people, and partly a sort of mask and social tool for self-reflection.

              If I had a blog, Id represent myself using mine just like the person in the OP is, get used to presenting yourself that way long enough and doing so ends up just feeling natural to you.

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            It’s like telling a woman she must be a closet lesbian because she doesn’t want to see boobs everywhere.

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              Are you the furry who doesn’t want to see fursonas everywhere in this analogy?

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                  Bud, you are the one that compared it to calling a woman a lesbian for not wanting to see tits everywhere. That comparison only works if the one complaining about it also has tits, ie is a furry.

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          what exactly was sexual about an animal cartoon? doesn’t seem much different from what I grew up seeing on cartoon network.

          I know that side exists, but none of it was on display here

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        Ever heard of Bitmoji? Or Apple’s Genmoji thing? People do create stickers of themselves doing gestures or facial expressions, it’s fairly popular… And most of Instagram is people posting thirst traps and selfies. Not sure why you’re singling out furries here…

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        This is also selection bias, the furries that dont upload their art every day and make it their profile pic aren’t seen, only the ones that do.