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Tbf when you live in absolute 5th world poverty the clothes can vary minimally.
Awful series of movies, watched them once and that was enough for me
Agreed and same. Only way people got me to watch it again was commentary folks ripping on it for being so bad.
What a disappointing series that was.
Still beat GoT marginally :)
The cycle goes: Star Wars is for kids and when they grow up they’re going to hate the Star Wars their kids are watching. I’m old enough to have seen the entire cycle with the prequels.
And btw, The best trilogy is Rogue One, Empire Strikes Back, and The Last Jedi.
The difference between the prequels and the sequels is that while a bit cheesy and having some cringe/dogshit dialogue in places the prequels have a solid storyline an arc.
The sequels are just shit with only the Last Jedi trying to do anything, then when they made episode 9 they tried to backpedal and made a completely unwatchable piece of shit that makes no sense
Fight choreography for the prequels saves it a lot.
So true!
And I’ll also grant that the emperor’s guard fight and the force projection fight both count to redeem the sequels, a bit.
No. The emperor’s guard fight was absolute garbage.
Wait you turn to attack the protagonist. A nice orderly line for one attack and one counter.
Then there was the guy who straight up dropped his weapon before his turn, but pretended he didn’t.
I also argue the world building alone makes them worth it. While the dialogue and plot had some issues, all the new worlds/aliens/the actual sith/etc. heralded in a new age for star wars.
The world in the sequel trilogy is so small in comparison to either of the other trilogys.
Revenge of the Sith has the best and most gratuitous action in the entire mainline series.
The dance fighting where they’re not even trying to score a hit on each other.
I hated TLJ. I grew up on the OG and saw the awful prequels in theatres despite knowing they were bad.
Too much bad writing. Too many plot holes. Too many monumental changes to how the universe works.
Who ever hated the original films?
The amount of slop disney puts out and the fans peddle and push into every damn game and internet space is making me slowly dislike them too.
Star wars is inescapable and it is exhausting.
More than I realized. As a kid, my favorite of the original trilogy was ROTJ. It had everything - an opening where the heroes got vengeance on a big slug, there was a dramatic-looking Death Star, speeder bikes, and force lightning.
My father told me (years later), how much some folks hated it for some of the same things. Rehashing the Death Star, Han accidentally killing Boba Fett (this hyped up bounty hunter that in the previous movie was clever and even mouthed off to Vader himself), Ewoks being cuddly teddy bears with janky traps, Leia being yet another Skywalker out of nowhere…basically, a lot of the same goofy shit people railed on George for in the prequels (myself included: since these conversations with my dad came up because I was a teenager complaining about Jar Jar, Yoda ping ponging around, etc.).
Later I saw that plenty of folks complained about ESB being moodier, the “No, I am your father” being a twist out of nowhere and dramatically undermining Obi-Wan’s character by his being dishonest. Some of the same “canon-breaking” retcons that we all complain about today.
Granted…I still love ROTJ despite its flaws, and while I never enjoyed the prequels as much as a lot of folks, I find them endearing in an odd kind of way. The Sequel Trilogy less so, but there’s a few bright spots.
Basically, I wonder what the reception of the movies would have been if we had the internet then, and especially if we had engagement-based algorithms driving things, which does such a great job of amplifying hate.
Hate might be too strong of a word but I remember how 12-year-old-me found them hard to watch because their special effects looked dated in comparison to the prequels’.
I personally find the effects from the original trilogy easier to still watch today than the effects in the prequels.
Star Wars is a long cycle of really really really cool concepts and really really really shit execution of putting those concepts on screen. People have disliked pretty much every iteration of SW for some reason or another, and it’s usually defensible. Boils down to suspension of disbelief and ‘to each their own’
I grew up kinda between the originals and prequels, and often found the originals were paced too slow and the whole ewok thing stood out as stupid as fuck even to my 8-ish year old brain; but there was more to like than dislike, so I was fan overall.
Then the prequels come out. Jar Jar used to be what killed it for me, but then the ‘darth’ Jar Jar fan theory came out, and if you watch his character through that lens it’s not quite as bad. I’m 100% sold on that being the original intent with Jar Jar, but then they backed off after so many people fucking hated him in Ep1, and just left him alone as a bumbling idiot and nothing more.
Then the sequels came out and the writing was absolute shit. SW followed that trend for a while, kinda felt like the franchise was dead in the water, existing only as a cash grab… until Rogue One came out, and then Andor, which are both fucking masterpieces.
George Lucas is a genius merchandiser and fun-maker, and things like “cohesion” and “plot” are left for everyone else to figure out.
He was good at overarching plots which is why the prequels are solid in that regard, they got planned in advance. He falters when it comes to smaller plot moments that drive the characters and the audience to follow the overarching plot, the stunted dialog etc.
“Jaws was never my scene and i don’t like star wars”
~ Freddie Mercury
Freddie was more of a Flash Gordon guy.
Damn, what a soundtrack!
There’s quite a lot of reviews and comments from the time hating ESB (a muppet as a spiritual guide? Contrived twist!) and RotJ (too cheesy! Just an excuse to sell toys!).
I don’t like them, even though I’ve tried to like them by watching them multiple times.
Having said that, I honestly think rouge one is a solid movie, and ironically that’s the least star wars movie from all the series.
I don’t hate them, but I don’t think they are all that great tbh.
I watched the OT as a kid… and then watched the Prequels as a few years older kid…
And I thought the prequels were inferior to the OT, and even to many OT/EU based video games that were released before or in the same timeframe as the prequels.
And then the Sequel trilogy was an utter trainwreck, along with pretty much most of the Disney+ shows.
Rogue One was decent?
Mando S1 and S2 were good (very obviously a serial spaghetti western type show, but executed well untill S3) Andor is great, everything else bad or so uninteresting I haven’t even bothered.
I hear that The Clone Wars animated series is good too.
I’ve just started working my way through the series and it’s awesome. It’s great seeing those little hints to Anakin’s later fall, but more than anything I love how much it humanizes the clones.
The series does grapple with how fucked up the clone army is - these are people. They didn’t get a choice to fight, they were grown and trained and never given any other options. Seeing things like a deserter clone is cool, seeing clones actively make the choice to keep fighting and explain why they think it is worthwhile… the clones are the best part of the series.
Clone Wars is amazing. I feel like they’ve seen more screen time for me than the movies at this point. It’s an anthology series. I even enjoyed the last season even if it was mainly a setup for Bad Batch.
Rebels is good too, although very clearly for a young audience.
This, I’m willing to bet that the sequels will be just as beloved as the prequels suddenly were.
My inner grouch is still really bothered by the fact that the prequels became retroactively beloved through meme magic.
As someone who grew up with the prequels. I always loved them. I don’t hold the originals in that much high regard other than they came first and pioneered everything. However I do think empire beats episode 2. But return is the worst (only counting 1-6)
This implies that the bar has nowhere to go but down, except that we know good Star Wars is capable of being produced. Andor is fucking phenomenal, hands down the best thing to have ever been spit out by Disney since they acquired the IP. It’s not a sure bet that time will erase the stains that the sequel trilogy have created on the Star Wars brand. The prequel trilogy may not be perfect, but it felt more like Star Wars than the sequel trilogy ever did.
I’m just amazed people think Disney’s bad considered Lucas’ plan for the series was just remaking the prequels in 3D and doing Star Wars Detours
I already prefer them, so I can see it
My little sister hates Star Wars simply because back when she was in high school, that’s all the other kids talked about. She told me how tired she was of hearing about people shipping Kylo Ren and Rey, so much so that she plays the Sims and outright REFUSES to get the Star Wars DLC for it because she doesn’t wanna remember how toxic people were to her for not liking Star Wars.
Even though I love Star Wars (May the 4th be with you) I can weirdly relate, because when Andor dropped and my initial thoughts were “Slow, boring, and doesn’t feel like Star Wars.” and the Heist arc only CEMENTED this for me. (God I couldn’t tell you how much I wanted those characters to die, and how little I felt when they finally did, hours of build-up and the only thing I learned about them is that they don’t think Andor’s one of the cool kids, and one of them wrote a book! Now they’re all dead, don’t I feel like my investment was worth it?)… My Reddit inbox (remember before they went on a banning spree?) was flooded with people telling me how stupid I was for “Not getting it!”, and how simple people like me “Should stick to pew pew stuff like Clone Wars”
It made me want to rewatch Rogue One, not because of “Andor Hype”, but because I’d get to see the show’s namesake die. Legitimately I’d fire up Lego Star Wars and just have player 1 be Darth Maul, player 2 be Cassian Andor, and just killed Andor over and over again, that’s how mad I was getting at Andor fanboys and their constant barrages of insults to anyone with ANY criticism of the show. It legitimately got so bad that I just didn’t wanna watch Star Wars anymore.
I liked what little I saw of The Acolyte, but, sadly these Disney shows have been tainted for me by a combination of Boba Fett being THAT BAD and the toxicity of the Andor crowd.
I’m sorry Boba Fett was TERRIBLE, I just don’t understand why they went with a script where Boba Fett acts like he has no idea how Jabba’s operation worked despite being one of his right hand men. Did the writer just never see Return of the Jedi? I realize the only line of dialogue Boba Fett’s ever really said i anything ever is “He’s no good to me dead!”, but come on now. You just can’t give me a fish out of water story when the character in question is a shark in familiar oceans.
I realize that Star Wars has always been of questionable quality and has been divisive every since Empire Strikes Back had half of people going “What a great twist I was absolutely floored and on the edge of my seat since we got to Cloud City!” and the other half going “Darth Vader and Anakin Skywalker are the same person? Bullshit, what’s next, Luke and Leia are twins!?!”, so much so that the real Star Wars is the friends we made along the way, but…
I’m not making friends along the way anymore, and that’s just depressing.
Acolyte is pretty crappy unfortunately.
I don’t really follow what other people think (can’t stand online fan communities in general), but I love Andor so much. For me, it’s like the fruit of Star Wars. I don’t think anything will ever top season 1 for me. It feels like… well I won’t go on because you’re not a fan, but I have a lot of positive things to say about the show. To the point that I think I can just stop caring about Star Wars now, because I can’t imagine it ever getting better for me.
Obviously that’s just my taste.
May the fourth be with you! Related to that, I just came back from a packed screening of Spaceballs the movie and it was actually SO FUN! I was worried that the Mel Brooks puerile humour would be too dated, but I loved it. The crowd ranging from grey hairs to little kids was cracking up. People even clapped at the end!
Anyway. Spaceball. So not a good movie, but it is fun if you like that kind of silliness.
I watched all 9 again recently with my kid. I am barely old enough to be in the “hate the prequels” gang. All 3 trilogies are good and bad. But after watching again 7, 8, 9 get way too much hate. They aren’t great either. The funny part is, most people hate them for the wrong reasons. Palpatine returning makes sense if you pay attention while watching 3.
There probably is a whole generation that will despise andor and rogue one.
Palatine coming back makes sense with some of the themes from 3, but it really undermines everything about the original trilogy. Essentially, thr sequels take away anything and everything Luke ever did.
I think it’s funny when people compare the sequels to the EU, when they share a lot of ideas.
I actually have to blink at the number of times people swear to me, without sarcasm or irony, that the EU would “NEVER BRING BACK PALPATINE!”
But like, it did though?
Palpatine being back is probably one of the least egregious and on the nose things for the story. Rey being a Palpatine? Several fakouts for losing characters (chewy and c3p0), and the whole of 9 being sidequests up to the flashy ending, those are choices that seem wack.
This, I don’t even know what the fuck is up with the magic dagger that tells you where a holocron is on a crashed space station that did not exist when the dagger was forged.
But there’s shit just as dumb in the prequels, such as Palpatine hiring Dooku who then hires Jango who using his assassin money hires an assassin who hires a droid who hires two bugs, ending in a chase where Jango runs into the old villain trap of “Kill the unwilling informant being coercised into talking and not the guy who actually wants to stop you?” that’s been around since Dick Tracey was writing parking tickets.
Rogue One was just boring. That was my only issue with it.
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I liked the original Star Wars when I was like 10. I was older when the 2nd one came out and that was ok-ish. I was in my teens when the teddy bear Star Wars movie came out and I thought that was the dumbest fucking shit ever.
Also bringing you hits like: “Somehow, Palpatine returned…” and “Yousa thinking yousa people ganna die?”
The entire “love story” between Anakin and Padme is barf worthy
Star Wars has never been “good”. It’s just always been entertaining. Luke is absolutely insufferable the the OT movies. He whines non-stop in ANH and Empire, and then he comes back in ROTJ as some snobby holier-than-thou prick. We just love Star Wars because it meant something to use when we were kids.
I loved star wars because the video games are (were?) almost always great. I never got into it as a kid. My friend was obsessed with it and I never understood the draw.
But I had undiagnosed adhd and my attention span was basically zilch.
“Somehow, Palpatine returned…” is a line that makes sense in context… He doesn’t know how Sidious came back.
Though keeping the contents of the message locked to a temporary Fortnite event was stupid.
“They fly now?”
They fucking always have. I hated this specific line so much, completely separate from other reasons to dislike 9.
Force healing and Disney kiss of resurrection
The Last Jedi was super cool though. It was truly the last Jedi i ever saw, well the last Star Wars content basically.
It was alright. A nice onramp back into the series, but mostly just a nostalgic beat for beat recreation of A New Hope for the 2010s. I remember the hype was real, but without a solid plan for the sequel trilogy neither movie in it is really worth ever revisiting. But there’s still some good Star Wars content. Rogue One and The Mandalorian are well worth watching. I haven’t seen Andor or Skeleton Crew, but people seem to like them.
I think you’ve mistaken the last jedi for the force awakens
Oh yeah you are correct 🤦
It was half of a good movie, which is more than can be said of the other two sequels.
Altogether the three equals less than one whole good film. They get close with the first two but the third is inexcusable. I counted: there are less than 5 shots that last for more than 15 seconds before a hard cut, even if it’s still in the same scene (I counted but also barely cared; I was just trying stay awake)
Christ, yeah. For such a big budget blockbuster, so much of it felt cheap and slapdash. It’s like someone was exposed to the Vince Gilligan discography and told “Do exactly the opposite of this”.
The cinematography was such a critical part of the OS and even the Prequels. Big splashy set pieces where everything had this history and character that felt like - if the camera was focused a in a slightly different direction - you could have filmed a completely separate movie off the extras alone. It’s so much of what made guys like Lucas and Spielberg a cut above. I can’t even blame Lucas for falling up his own asshole. He just needed someone to slap the coke out of his nose and reset to the original vision. A shame Carrie Fisher wasn’t allowed to script-doctor the other films (and jump in for a few cameos). After she stepped behind the camera, she was the hidden hand behind so many good movies (the OG Austin Powers was a big one).
Altogether the three equals less than one whole good film.
We felt that way about the prequels, too.
I’m looking forward to the eventual inevitable reboot, since it will be able to get through the same cool big ideas, without the meandering that the whole series suffers from.
You get all the adults now who like the prequels even though they’re terrible because it’s what they grew up with, so of course that means now we’re getting a generation for whom the Rey trilogy is their Star Wars.
You get all the adults now who like the prequels even though they’re terrible
The prequels had the core of a good story, alongside some very bad direction and post-production decisions.
The Fall of the Republic as this merchantile skirmish that grows out of control, the Jedi as a schloratic band of liberals who have had their orthodoxy exploited, and the Republic itself as an engine of immiseration that ultimately needed to fail in order to pave the way for something better are all themes it is easy to sympathize with in the modern moment.
Yeah, the CGI was clumsy, the dialogue was stiff, and the comedy asides were cringe. But the lore was strong. It gave birth to a second renaissance in the Extended Universe.
The Sequels simply did not have any of that storytelling and world building. What wasn’t blatantly ripped off from the OS was sloppily presented, resolved, retconned, and then ignored. The Sequels pillaged the EU for material that was wasted almost as quickly as it was revealed. And this, when Timothy Zahn had already written some of the best sequel material 30 years earlier.
The Sequels won’t be anyone’s Star Wars, because it was slop. Rogue One, The Mandelorian, The Clone Wars TV Show, the Star Wars anime spin-offs - these are what will endure.
The EU material was beautiful steak, and then they let RJ and JJ slop em up. I mean it was fun watching Luke die himself to death at Maskopher, but at the same time you know what he could have done? Something like how how in rotj yoda dies by too many questions? and then yoda sits there as a force ghost and says “ha! see how now it feels you do hoo hoo hoo hoo” and then scampers off into the force aether like a gremlin. that’s what they should have done.i mean i guess it’s easy to backseat editing room now, but pretty much anything feels better.
Eyerolls in gatekeeper
Incorrect. All you get now are people bitching about every Star wars series regardless of the one they choose to bitch about.
You saying, Ep. 3 is bad?
I hate it when child versions of a character have the exact same hairstyle.
